Originally Posted by Eagle06 (Post 2249048)

It's time to treat COVID as another "Flu Variation". We will never be without it. If individuals feel the need to mask up, let them. Read the OSHA reports on the Cloth and Cheap Surgical Masks. They provide "No, None, Zero, Nunca, Nada" protection. The country will not tolerate another lockdown. We live in the Free State of Florida!

Originally Posted by Eagle06 (Post 2249048)

It's time to treat COVID as another "Flu Variation". We will never be without it. If individuals feel the need to mask up, let them. Read the OSHA reports on the Cloth and Cheap Surgical Masks. They provide "No, None, Zero, Nunca, Nada" protection. The country will not tolerate another lockdown. We live in the Free State of Florida!

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2249008)

WHy? Why you ask?
Because every time someone mentions the dreaded COVID the thread turns into hysteria.
This time, I have no intention on listening to a bunch of Chicken Littles, that start getting hysterical about wearing masks (that IMO do little good the way they were being used), running amok to find a place to get booster upon booter, or carrying hand sanitizer everywhere they go. The worse part is when anyone that shrugs off the hysteria is then labeled a horrible "denier" and ostracized by the group of Chicken Littles. I'm no expert or medical professional but just about everyone in my family has had COVID and most of them had it before the vaccination was available. AND, most of them said that the symptoms was no worse than a cold, and no one said it was as bad as having the Flu. Just saying. I know some in my family that tested positive for COVID with NO symptoms and only got tested because someone they knew had it. So, I am sure there are many folks that go about their day, whether shopping or socializing that have no idea they have COVID. Do I worry about it? Nope. I use the handy sanitizer wipes on my shopping cart that stores have at the entrances, more for cleaning the germs off it from colds and pet germs than anything else. Plus, using them makes it easier to open those darn produce bags.
Will anyone ever believe the gov. when they warn us of pandemics again, after the fiasco we endured for COVID? C'mon, man!!

Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 2249045)

Oh brother, another venue for the anti- maskers, and the "Covid is nothing to worry about" crowd. Enough already. There is an upside, though, - thinning of the herd...

Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 2249045)

Oh brother, another venue for the anti- maskers, and the "Covid is nothing to worry about" crowd. Enough already. There is an upside, though, - thinning of the herd...

Originally Posted by bcsnave (Post 2248977)

That'a boy Jmintzer

Now come on did you find that on our friend "Google"...lol?

As anyone can look up the Covid particle size is a small as 0.1micron. Where as the N95 respirators that are worn correctly will filter out at least 95 percent of particles 0.3 micron in size.

But 95% is good right??? well let's look at 99%

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2248976)

I'm sure you are right and will continue to toss out arguments until I get bored so I'll just stop here.

Originally Posted by Maker (Post 2248992)

Partially correct. "Mask" is too generic to say what one can or cannot do.

Mask made from a t-shirt will do nothing. 100% useless against covid. The gaps (holes) between fibers are many millions of times larger then covid virus.

Those flat blue masks with elastic ear loops will do nothing. They are splatter shields.

An n95 mask is designed to block the wearer from breathing in particles of a certain size, and larger. It does that by a combination of the filter material, and that it seals completely to your face. Any facial hair, wrinkles, lotions, skin bumps, etc, compromises that seal and allows unfiltered air to bypass the mask for you to inhale. Bypass means you would get contaminated if near to the stuff you hoped to block.

When you breathe out, the mask is pushed outward and will allow air to slip out between the skin and mask. There are some n95 masks with a one way exhale port that allows all air to exit unfiltered. An n95 mask is not intended to protect others. Doctors mainly wear them to protect themselves. The exception is that very large water droplets could be caught. However, that it a statistically small insignificant amount, but a popular urban myth that it has any benefit.

Someone who is sick, and then coughs out a very large volume of air, all at once, contaminates the area around themselves. And fills the mask with covid to re-breathe.

People that wear n95 masks (for work) go through training which includes fit testing. That is where the trainer shows how to properly wear and seal the mask. They use a special nasty smelling smoke to see if any leaks by the seal. Then they go over how to properly remove the mask (that could be saturated with lots of bad stuff) without transferring anything it captured to your head and hands. Do you see anybody doing that?

Let's say you are trained how to properly wear the mask. Do you reuse it? I hope not. Do you change it out after a certain number of minutes? If not, things will seep through. Do you remove it somewhere you do not want contaminants scatter, or do you do remove it in the car or at home? There is research showing a contaminated mask will release that gunk when you breathe out - contaminating the area you are in. After every time you touch the mask, do you always disinfect your hands?

To test it for your self, find someone smoking. Put on your n95 mask. It should block the smoke smell. If yours does not, it's being worn wrong. Covid is a lot smaller than smoke.

You do know virus can spread through the air, via contact with your eyes. Are we wearing sealed goggles?

Originally Posted by Maker (Post 2248992)

Partially correct. "Mask" is too generic to say what one can or cannot do.

Mask made from a t-shirt will do nothing. 100% useless against covid. The gaps (holes) between fibers are many millions of times larger then covid virus.

Those flat blue masks with elastic ear loops will do nothing. They are splatter shields.

An n95 mask is designed to block the wearer from breathing in particles of a certain size, and larger. It does that by a combination of the filter material, and that it seals completely to your face. Any facial hair, wrinkles, lotions, skin bumps, etc, compromises that seal and allows unfiltered air to bypass the mask for you to inhale. Bypass means you would get contaminated if near to the stuff you hoped to block.

When you breathe out, the mask is pushed outward and will allow air to slip out between the skin and mask. There are some n95 masks with a one way exhale port that allows all air to exit unfiltered. An n95 mask is not intended to protect others. Doctors mainly wear them to protect themselves. The exception is that very large water droplets could be caught. However, that it a statistically small insignificant amount, but a popular urban myth that it has any benefit.

Someone who is sick, and then coughs out a very large volume of air, all at once, contaminates the area around themselves. And fills the mask with covid to re-breathe.

People that wear n95 masks (for work) go through training which includes fit testing. That is where the trainer shows how to properly wear and seal the mask. They use a special nasty smelling smoke to see if any leaks by the seal. Then they go over how to properly remove the mask (that could be saturated with lots of bad stuff) without transferring anything it captured to your head and hands. Do you see anybody doing that?

Let's say you are trained how to properly wear the mask. Do you reuse it? I hope not. Do you change it out after a certain number of minutes? If not, things will seep through. Do you remove it somewhere you do not want contaminants scatter, or do you do remove it in the car or at home? There is research showing a contaminated mask will release that gunk when you breathe out - contaminating the area you are in. After every time you touch the mask, do you always disinfect your hands?

To test it for your self, find someone smoking. Put on your n95 mask. It should block the smoke smell. If yours does not, it's being worn wrong. Covid is a lot smaller than smoke.

You do know virus can spread through the air, via contact with your eyes. Are we wearing sealed goggles?

Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 2249050)

I can’t believe we are doing this again
:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2248585)

At CoachK's hospitals, the hospital staff COVID infection rate is borderline to the hospitals requiring staff and patients to be masked mandatorily.

Friends of mine are coming down sick testing positive. .

Just facts, no judgements, YMMV

Boston waste water upticking and its still summertime in the NorthEast!

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2249144)

And of course, if 100% isn't possible then 0% is the only rational alternative.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2249148)

A classic example of "reductio ad absurdum"...

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2249151)

Did I miss the post that promoted mask wearing even though they might not be 100% effective?

I saw the post saying that the virus was smaller than 0.3micron. I assumed that implied that the masks were ineffective and not worth wearing.

I saw the post pointing out all the problems with wearing th N95 masks. I assumed that implied that the masks were ineffective and not worth wearing.

Was I wrong? Do you actually support wearing masks since something is better than nothing?

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2248692)

Let’s just hope we learned from the last go around that paper face masks are useless for the person wearing it and closing down the economy is disastrous. Maybe not

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2249143)

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2249008)

WHy? Why you ask?
Because every time someone mentions the dreaded COVID the thread turns into hysteria.
This time, I have no intention on listening to a bunch of Chicken Littles, that start getting hysterical about wearing masks (that IMO do little good the way they were being used), running amok to find a place to get booster upon booter, or carrying hand sanitizer everywhere they go. The worse part is when anyone that shrugs off the hysteria is then labeled a horrible "denier" and ostracized by the group of Chicken Littles. I'm no expert or medical professional but just about everyone in my family has had COVID and most of them had it before the vaccination was available. AND, most of them said that the symptoms was no worse than a cold, and no one said it was as bad as having the Flu. Just saying. I know some in my family that tested positive for COVID with NO symptoms and only got tested because someone they knew had it. So, I am sure there are many folks that go about their day, whether shopping or socializing that have no idea they have COVID. Do I worry about it? Nope. I use the handy sanitizer wipes on my shopping cart that stores have at the entrances, more for cleaning the germs off it from colds and pet germs than anything else. Plus, using them makes it easier to open those darn produce bags.
Will anyone ever believe the gov. when they warn us of pandemics again, after the fiasco we endured for COVID? C'mon, man!!

Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2248891)

So a mask will not stop a contagious person from breathing out the disease, but will block you from breathing it in? Is that correct?

Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2248797)

I guess I am on of the Lone Rangers. I still practice social distancing, won't even think about spending time in a large group setting like concerts, wash my hands regularly, and routinely disinfect my home . But, I have not gone back to wearing a mask. I have not had Covid and I try to keep it that way. Why invite trouble?

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2248585)

At CoachK's hospitals, the hospital staff COVID infection rate is borderline to the hospitals requiring staff and patients to be masked mandatorily.

Friends of mine are coming down sick testing positive. .

Just facts, no judgements, YMMV

Boston waste water upticking and its still summertime in the NorthEast!

Originally Posted by huge-pigeons (Post 2249211)

elections are coming up so will covid restrictions. Facts about covid? There were no valid facts over the last 3 years, or let’s say they didn’t want the public to know the real facts. You had states and medical institutions over-exaggerate stats to gain money and use for power purposes, this has been proven. It’s been proven paper masks don’t work, on and on. Sure people got sick, some people died (happens everyday), but i had medical friends go in for a check up or for an ailment, the dr/hospital put down covid related.

Just watch, you will start hearing more about covid restrictions/mandates during this next year.

Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2248797)

I guess I am on of the Lone Rangers. I still practice social distancing, won't even think about spending time in a large group setting like concerts, wash my hands regularly, and routinely disinfect my home . But, I have not gone back to wearing a mask. I have not had Covid and I try to keep it that way. Why invite trouble?

Originally Posted by Cobullymom (Post 2249226)

And then you die, whatta way to spend you time on earth... unbelievable..

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2249155)

I wear a mask in my office, but not because of covid. One of the things I commonly do is debride thick mycotic (fungus) nails. I often use a dremel like grinder that produces copious amounts of "nail dust" which is full of fungal debris. A also use a vacuum device, but it fails to collect all of the dust.

I DO NOT want to inhale that and an N95 mask is perfect for that situation. But I typically have it hanging from one ear and only put it on if I know I'm going to do that procedure.

I haven't worn a mask in public since the mask mandates were lifted and I only did it then to comply with the venues I wanted to enter. I figured their place, their rules...

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2248585)

At CoachK's hospitals, the hospital staff COVID infection rate is borderline to the hospitals requiring staff and patients to be masked mandatorily.

Friends of mine are coming down sick testing positive. .

Just facts, no judgements, YMMV

Boston waste water upticking and its still summertime in the NorthEast!

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2248631)

Covid is not finished with us.

Originally Posted by Dotneko (Post 2248817)

How do you know you have not had Covid? My husband had NO, NADA, NONE symptoms. He tested because i was positive. Guess what? He was positive 2 days later. He never would have known.

Originally Posted by Cobullymom (Post 2249226)

And then you die, whatta way to spend you time on earth... unbelievable..

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2248633)

That's your judgement, i reported facts only. .
There was no judgment of the sky is falling in the factual post, and the facts suggest a change in hospital environment to minimize employee shortages. .

Not sure you would prefer employee shortages when you need hospital care, correct?

Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2248797)

I guess I am on of the Lone Rangers. I still practice social distancing, won't even think about spending time in a large group setting like concerts, wash my hands regularly, and routinely disinfect my home . But, I have not gone back to wearing a mask. I have not had Covid and I try to keep it that way. Why invite trouble?

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2248812)

The problem is way to many people will travel amongst the rest of us with covid without wear ing a mask or even testing

Originally Posted by defrey12 (Post 2249268)

Why test? Does it change treatment? NO…it’s a cold. Stay home if you’re sick. Pretty simple.

Originally Posted by NotGolfer (Post 2248661)

Forced close-downs. "They" said earlier that the face-diapers don't work. Think about it----hard!! Did y'all comply before by staying in as much as possible, did you wash your hands and social distance and do everything told to you before-----yet still got the infection?? Tis strange it seemed to almost "go away" and now is re-emerging.