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MidWestIA 08-25-2023 08:13 AM

covid
 
heard of some here getting here - back to 3-6 feet at least

maistocars 08-25-2023 08:17 AM

yup, it must be that time of season to rev this up again. Oh yes, 2024 is around the corner.

RedChariot 08-25-2023 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by defrey12 (Post 2249268)
Why test? Does it change treatment? NO…it’s a cold. Stay home if you’re sick. Pretty simple.

A freaking cold???? Tell that to the over 3 million people who died worldwide from this virus.

merrymini 08-25-2023 08:29 AM

Covid is here to stay, get used to it. I am keeping my paper masks because I may run out of toilet paper, no other reason to keep them. I would not be surprised to see a “resurgence” before any upcoming political votes. Got to keep people scared and malleable. Works every time!

OhioBuckeye 08-25-2023 08:36 AM

Our president promised to have Covid under control after 6 months when he took office, it’s been almost 4 yrs.. Come on Man!

Randall55 08-25-2023 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by G.R.I.T.S. (Post 2249304)
DUH! “Conspiracy theorists” predicted this shortly after the mid-terms. Gearing up.

I would like to know what politicians "bring up Covid" as a mechanism to win an election. None of them will get my vote! Profitting from illness and death is a low blow. But then again, it never happened right? Just the opposing party making up stories. I guess I should have my eyes checked. I thought I saw dead bodies lining the streets on nearly every news channel.

haysus7 08-25-2023 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by paulat585 (Post 2249107)
What are CoachK hospitals?

Kentucky closed schools due to infections after 2 weeks of being open

JMintzer 08-25-2023 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2249165)
Not doubting what you say, you seem well informed. The cotton masks I have seen come with a pocket to put in a filter. Are the filters completely useless as well? Or, do they block, at the very least, a little better than wearing the mask without the filter?

Since the cotton masks do not seal to your face, I would think that adding a "filter" (whatever that may be) is pretty much useless...

JMintzer 08-25-2023 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2249209)
Sounds right (??!!). Sooo a mask is effective to keep YOU safe. So everyone should wear masks all the time (???). Heck, I’m just gonna stay in, watch tv, order delivery for everything, etc. Will save a lot of gas, no worry for melanoma from sun, etc.

A mask can keep YOU safe if they filter out the viruses. Unfortunately, the virus size is smaller than what the mask was designed to filter...

Whitley 08-25-2023 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2249284)
For some it is a cold, for others it is a life threatening situation. A virus mutates and changes. If you want to gamble that a stronger string will not kill you, that is your choice. But, don't infect others in the process.

Probably best to stay home indoors. Keep others outside the house. Even that it is not 100% safe, but better than not.

asianthree 08-25-2023 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Marine1974 (Post 2249288)
It’s seems to me that those that post their anti-vax anti mask propaganda at us , sure change their tune when they are about to be put on a respirator due to Covid from their risky behavior . Who are they kidding?
And how many of them who were asymptomatic walked around , with no regard for others , and spread Covid through out our community causing some to die who got infected by the
ones who refuse to follow the CDC guidelines. These menaces to our community our kinda like the food preparers who changed their babies diapers and come to work without washing their hands mentality.

Ahhh that’s special you think they have a clue or “ change their tune” when you intubate, and set the parameters for the vent. Nope that’s the families job, which may or may not be the wishes of the patient.

Whitley 08-25-2023 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Marine1974 (Post 2249288)
It’s seems to me that those that post their anti-vax anti mask propaganda at us , sure change their tune when they are about to be put on a respirator due to Covid from their risky behavior . Who are they kidding?
And how many of them who were asymptomatic walked around , with no regard for others , and spread Covid through out our community causing some to die who got infected by the
ones who refuse to follow the CDC guidelines. These menaces to our community our kinda like the food preparers who changed their babies diapers and come to work without washing their hands mentality.

Not even 100% but unless you MUST go out (and if you do, mask even in the car alone) stay inside your home. Not sure if two masks are better in the car. I know when a car is under water, the water flows in from all over the place. Same can happen with covid. Gas stations too are horrible. You can die from pumping gas. How many people touch those handles. Remaining in the house really is the safest. Does anyone have any tips on how to get food without worrying that the bags and packaging have been touched by who knows who? Sarasota Herald reported during the beginning of this that the virus can travel through plumbing (ie water) pipes. I don't see what can be done there. Maybe boil water before drinking. A friend up North starting growing what she called cellar onions. Of course we do not have cellars so that doesn't help us.

JMintzer 08-25-2023 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Transplant (Post 2249233)
Actually it was the government's rules

Not everywhere...

Whitley 08-25-2023 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by maistocars (Post 2249320)
yup, it must be that time of season to rev this up again. Oh yes, 2024 is around the corner.

I do not know why "some" (I have no up arrow) fight so aggressively against their own safety. The safest thing for the election is to place boxes outside town halls and pick them up weekly. Kind of like when we were kids and the teacher would put a decorated box with a slit on top for us to drop Valentine cards into. It worked then. Even using a pen can be fatal for some. And using money is very VERY dangerous. They should do away with that. Maybe have a digital currency like Canada is testing.

Whitley 08-25-2023 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RedChariot (Post 2249323)
A freaking cold???? Tell that to the over 3 million people who died worldwide from this virus.

Globally 1.7 million people die a year from the common cold.

That's nothing to sneeze at.

JMintzer 08-25-2023 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Marine1974 (Post 2249288)
It’s seems to me that those that post their anti-vax anti mask propaganda at us , sure change their tune when they are about to be put on a respirator due to Covid from their risky behavior . Who are they kidding?
And how many of them who were asymptomatic walked around , with no regard for others , and spread Covid through out our community causing some to die who got infected by the
ones who refuse to follow the CDC guidelines. These menaces to our community our kinda like the food preparers who changed their babies diapers and come to work without washing their hands mentality.

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JMintzer 08-25-2023 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RedChariot (Post 2249323)
A freaking cold???? Tell that to the over 3 million people who died worldwide WITH this virus.

Fixed it for you...

TeresaE 08-25-2023 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2248585)
At CoachK's hospitals, the hospital staff COVID infection rate is borderline to the hospitals requiring staff and patients to be masked mandatorily.

Friends of mine are coming down sick testing positive. .

Just facts, no judgements, YMMV

Boston waste water upticking and its still summertime in the NorthEast!

Various covid viruses (aka colds) were here long before the strain we called covid-19. Various new covids will be around long after we are gone. The latest strain is as close to the original Covid-19 strain as dinosaurs are to birds. Between the natural immunity we’ve likely developed from contracting the original and its near cousins and the vaccines, we’re all likely going to be just fine. As for masks, they were just a political devise to make us feel good about going out in public. They made absolutely no difference.

bcsnave 08-25-2023 11:08 AM

Be safe everyone
 
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Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2249401)
I do not know why "some" (I have no up arrow) fight so aggressively against their own safety. The safest thing for the election is to place boxes outside town halls and pick them up weekly. Kind of like when we were kids and the teacher would put a decorated box with a slit on top for us to drop Valentine cards into. It worked then. Even using a pen can be fatal for some. And using money is very VERY dangerous. They should do away with that. Maybe have a digital currency like Canada is testing.

Can never be too safe:wave:

Normal 08-25-2023 11:21 AM

Only They Didn’t
 
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Originally Posted by RedChariot (Post 2249323)
A freaking cold???? Tell that to the over 3 million people who died worldwide from this virus.

The virus circulating now isn’t the initial Corona virus. The flu is more lethal than the current Corona virus being discussed. Few wore masks for the flu before the pandemic that is now over according to the US government.

TeresaE 08-25-2023 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2249284)
For some it is a cold, for others it is a life threatening situation. A virus mutates and changes. If you want to gamble that a stronger string will not kill you, that is your choice. But, don't infect others in the process.

First, strains typically get weaker not more virulent. Second, between natural immunity and the vaccines most of us carry enough antibodies to protect us from severe illness. Third, the correlation between finding viral mRNA or DNA in a municipal sewage samples and illness is suspect. Just ask yourself, does genetic material or pieces of genetic material amplified by PCR equal living organisms? Forth, masks made no difference in transmission or rates of infection. So go live your life and let the rest of us do the same without useless masking, distancing or pointless mandates.

Bill14564 08-25-2023 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2249458)
The virus circulating now isn’t the initial Corona virus. The flu is more lethal than the current Corona virus being discussed. Few wore masks for the flu before the pandemic that is now over according to the US government.

I'll bet there's no study that shows that!

A study last year showed Covid was more deadly but that would be a different variant.

blueash 08-25-2023 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Maker (Post 2248861)
If you do test positive, please don't go out, around others, while you are sick.
Even if you wear an N95 or better mask. That mask will saturate and fail. If you sneeze, it will blow covid around it. Masks are designed to block incoming air, not your exhaust that pushes it off your skin and allows covid to bypass the mask and infect people around you.

Maker, then please explain to me... Why do surgeons wear "face diapers" ? Are they wearing it to not breathe in germs from the patient on the table? You just educated me that masks are only worn to block incoming air. Or are you just spouting nonsense because you can on this website?

I will eagerly await your well thought out reply.

blueash 08-25-2023 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TeresaE (Post 2249465)
First, strains typically get weaker not more virulent. Second, between natural immunity and the vaccines most of us carry enough antibodies to protect us from severe illness. Third, the correlation between finding viral mRNA or DNA in a municipal sewage samples and illness is suspect. Just ask yourself, does genetic material or pieces of genetic material amplified by PCR equal living organisms? Forth, masks made no difference in transmission or rates of infection. So go live your life and let the rest of us do the same without useless masking, distancing or pointless mandates.

Talk about sewage... It is 100% accurate to say that the finding of viral RNA in wastewater indicates circulating infectious virus in the community. There is nothing suspect about it except I suspect you don't know what you're talking about. You in your greater wisdom could perhaps explain to me how genetic material from Covid gets into the wastewater if there is no Covid in area.

Fourth, you are wrong that masks made no difference. The data, and there is lots of it if you want to do a GoogleScholar search, showed masks did work, just less well than hoped. The failure to find greater efficacy is because of people not wearing masks correctly, and human nature to not practice good hygiene, hand wash, social distance etc. even when mask wearing.

Lastly, you are correct that some viral strains tend to weaken over time, that is sadly not always the case. If it were then we would never have a more severe influenza season. We would never have seen SARS or MERS. Polio would have disappeared without a vaccine... and measles... and ebola... and etc. etc. etc.

cjrjck 08-25-2023 12:28 PM

I was required to be fitted for an N95 mask yearly. Our agency would board foreign vessels with the CDC and local county health officials in the case a crewman illnesses that rose to a certain level of suspicion. The masks had to be properly fitted by an expert. There were various sizes and even special order modifications. Once fitted, the wearer was covered by a hood and an aerosol was sprayed into the hood. If the wearer had any reaction to the mist, the fitting was improper. Once fitted, we were given several of the proper sized masks. I learned two things: it was not easy to get a proper fit, and the masks were one and done. Never used twice. That would introduce bacteria and other contaminants to the mask. Even then, they were not 100 percent effective. I can tell you that 99 percent of the masks worn for covid were worthless. Improper fit and construction. Worse even, they gave the wearer a false sense of security that could actually cause the wearer to be less cautious. Additionally, they were filthy if worn more than once. Anytime the wearer touched the mask it potentially contaminated it.

blueash 08-25-2023 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmarr (Post 2249243)
still believing the nonsense and the stick from China for testing.. so sad a simple cold / flu bug will test postive with the chemical stick ..

Still posting nonsense. So sad that a simple flu bug will absolutely not test positive on a covid antigen test. Ignorance to post such garbage here. You are being lied to by some source. And that same source is certainly lying to you about many other topics.

Google search suggestion... Does influenza produce a positive Covid test ... HERE

Are you up to date on the influenza data?

Now google search suggestion ... Does the common cold produce a positive Covid test.... HERE

See how easy that is to debunk what you wrote and disprove those bald faced lies.

Byte1 08-25-2023 12:43 PM

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I'm prepared now. No more colds(aka COVID) for me.

I'm Popeye! 08-25-2023 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RedChariot (Post 2249323)
A freaking cold???? Tell that to the over 3 million people who died worldwide from this virus.

Can you tell us how many people died from the flu or cold that year, NO!, They were counted as dying from COVID...

I'm Popeye! 08-25-2023 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2249469)
Maker, then please explain to me... Why do surgeons wear "face diapers" ? Are they wearing it to not breathe in germs from the patient on the table? You just educated me that masks are only worn to block incoming air. Or are you just spouting nonsense because you can on this website?

I will eagerly await your well thought out reply.

Could this be the reason why....

Maker 08-25-2023 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2249469)
Maker, then please explain to me... Why do surgeons wear "face diapers" ? Are they wearing it to not breathe in germs from the patient on the table? You just educated me that masks are only worn to block incoming air. Or are you just spouting nonsense because you can on this website?
I will eagerly await your well thought out reply.

Surgeons do not wear "face diapers". I never said anything like that because it's a stupid statement. If that was your take-away, please re-read the post.

The primary purpose surgeons wear PPE to reduce the likelihood of getting biological contamination from the patient.

Masks are used to prevent transfer of airborne biological pathogens. That would be n95 or better. They wear face shields to prevent liquid splatters to their face where their mucous membranes are located, again to try to prevent contamination from blood and other infectious tissue.
They also wear gloves to prevent direct contact with infectious material and blood.

There are other higher levels of PPE worn when the risks demand better protection. Think of a patient with ebola, or who has an unknown toxic exposure. Also for researchers working on gain of function experiments with deadly toxic substances.

eyc234 08-25-2023 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Maker (Post 2249509)
Surgeons do not wear "face diapers". I never said anything like that because it's a stupid statement. If that was your take-away, please re-read the post.

The primary purpose surgeons wear PPE to reduce the likelihood of getting biological contamination from the patient.

Masks are used to prevent transfer of airborne biological pathogens. That would be n95 or better. They wear face shields to prevent liquid splatters to their face where their mucous membranes are located, again to try to prevent contamination from blood and other infectious tissue.
They also wear gloves to prevent direct contact with infectious material and blood.

There are other higher levels of PPE worn when the risks demand better protection. Think of a patient with ebola, or who has an unknown toxic exposure. Also for researchers working on gain of function experiments with deadly toxic substances.

But you said mask do not work, so how do they stop pathogens that are smaller than SAR's and as you can see from your photo it really is not fitted correctly.

Bill14564 08-25-2023 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by I'm Popeye! (Post 2249498)
Can you tell us how many people died from the flu or cold that year, NO!, They were counted as dying from COVID...

The flu numbers have been published and are non-zero.

Escape Artist 08-25-2023 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2248585)
Boston waste water upticking and its still summertime in the NorthEast!

What does that indicate? Also, are your friends who are I’ll in need of hospitalization? In other words, is it severe?

JMintzer 08-25-2023 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by eyc234 (Post 2249512)
But you said mask do not work, so how do they stop pathogens that are smaller than SAR's and as you can see from your photo it really is not fitted correctly.

Did you read the post you responded to? It said nothing about "pathogens that are smaller than SARs"...

jimjamuser 08-25-2023 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2248633)
That's your judgement, i reported facts only. .
There was no judgment of the sky is falling in the factual post, and the facts suggest a change in hospital environment to minimize employee shortages. .

Not sure you would prefer employee shortages when you need hospital care, correct?

Most everyone in the US and especially Florida wants to put COVID "in the rearview mirror". And for some insane and low-cognitive reason, some people want to PRETEND that it never happened (pretending that all those deaths in the Midwest never happened). But, COVID disease itself has other ideas - it wants to mutate and spread.
........This summer in Fl. and elsewhere in the US, it is HOT and humid, especially in the large cities. If you take a general HEAT stress and you add in COVID, then you have a LETHAL cocktail of health problems.

asianthree 08-25-2023 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by eyc234 (Post 2249512)
But you said mask do not work, so how do they stop pathogens that are smaller than SAR's and as you can see from your photo it really is not fitted correctly.

Are you using personal experience on this mask. As a procedure mask, it’s tied correctly, over nose, with no gap, and under chin, goggles are fitted over the mask, other than the blood on the outside, one can’t see the snot from the sneeze inside the mask. It much more entertaining when you sneeze wearing a clear mask:girlneener:

Wore same mask for 45 years, he is better than some I have seen

JMintzer 08-25-2023 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2249515)
The flu numbers have been published and are non-zero.

According to the CDC, there were only 5K Flu Deaths in the 2020-2021 Flu Season.

That's less than 1/5 of a light year (25K deaths) and about 1/10 of a regular year (50K deaths)

JMintzer 08-25-2023 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2249529)
Are you using personal experience on this mask. As a procedure mask, it’s tied correctly, over nose, with no gap, and under chin, other than the blood iron the outside, one can’t see the snot from the sneeze inside the mask. It much more entertaining when you sneeze wearing a clear mask:girlneener:

I always hated it when that happened!

jimjamuser 08-25-2023 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by fishon (Post 2248653)
Thread of the year.
That’s some funny stuff right there!

I don't see the humor in the fact that COVID is still with us and is KILLING some Americans. And since The Villages is made up of OLDER citizens who are demographically the ones most affected, then it becomes even less humorous.

asianthree 08-25-2023 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2249532)
I always hated it when that happened!

Me too, snot is so much worse than a blood soaked mask and gown.


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