[eyc234]

Originally Posted by mickey100

Oh brother, another venue for the anti- maskers, and the "Covid is nothing to worry about" crowd. Enough already. There is an upside, though, - thinning of the herd...

Luv thinning the herd except for those left behind and their lose and anguish.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by mickey100

Oh brother, another venue for the anti- maskers, and the "Covid is nothing to worry about" crowd. Enough already. There is an upside, though, - thinning of the herd...

Tell that to the Thousands of medical workers who wore masks until they fell apart for 16 hour plus days 7 days a week, due to shortages.

We’re they anti maskers…yes they were, if you didn’t have them or they were on their 5 consecutive day, of the same mask.

Our herds were strong, and we had very little thinning.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by bcsnave

That'a boy Jmintzer

Now come on did you find that on our friend "Google"...lol?

As anyone can look up the Covid particle size is a small as 0.1micron. Where as the N95 respirators that are worn correctly will filter out at least 95 percent of particles 0.3 micron in size.

But 95% is good right??? well let's look at 99%

I actually took classes in virology... And yes, I confirmed the actual virus particle size via Google...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I'm sure you are right and will continue to toss out arguments until I get bored so I'll just stop here.

Argument/Facts... Tomato/Potato...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Maker

Partially correct. "Mask" is too generic to say what one can or cannot do.

Mask made from a t-shirt will do nothing. 100% useless against covid. The gaps (holes) between fibers are many millions of times larger then covid virus.

Those flat blue masks with elastic ear loops will do nothing. They are splatter shields.

An n95 mask is designed to block the wearer from breathing in particles of a certain size, and larger. It does that by a combination of the filter material, and that it seals completely to your face. Any facial hair, wrinkles, lotions, skin bumps, etc, compromises that seal and allows unfiltered air to bypass the mask for you to inhale. Bypass means you would get contaminated if near to the stuff you hoped to block.

When you breathe out, the mask is pushed outward and will allow air to slip out between the skin and mask. There are some n95 masks with a one way exhale port that allows all air to exit unfiltered. An n95 mask is not intended to protect others. Doctors mainly wear them to protect themselves. The exception is that very large water droplets could be caught. However, that it a statistically small insignificant amount, but a popular urban myth that it has any benefit.

Someone who is sick, and then coughs out a very large volume of air, all at once, contaminates the area around themselves. And fills the mask with covid to re-breathe.

People that wear n95 masks (for work) go through training which includes fit testing. That is where the trainer shows how to properly wear and seal the mask. They use a special nasty smelling smoke to see if any leaks by the seal. Then they go over how to properly remove the mask (that could be saturated with lots of bad stuff) without transferring anything it captured to your head and hands. Do you see anybody doing that?

Let's say you are trained how to properly wear the mask. Do you reuse it? I hope not. Do you change it out after a certain number of minutes? If not, things will seep through. Do you remove it somewhere you do not want contaminants scatter, or do you do remove it in the car or at home? There is research showing a contaminated mask will release that gunk when you breathe out - contaminating the area you are in. After every time you touch the mask, do you always disinfect your hands?

To test it for your self, find someone smoking. Put on your n95 mask. It should block the smoke smell. If yours does not, it's being worn wrong. Covid is a lot smaller than smoke.

You do know virus can spread through the air, via contact with your eyes. Are we wearing sealed goggles?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Maker

Partially correct. "Mask" is too generic to say what one can or cannot do.

Mask made from a t-shirt will do nothing. 100% useless against covid. The gaps (holes) between fibers are many millions of times larger then covid virus.

Those flat blue masks with elastic ear loops will do nothing. They are splatter shields.

An n95 mask is designed to block the wearer from breathing in particles of a certain size, and larger. It does that by a combination of the filter material, and that it seals completely to your face. Any facial hair, wrinkles, lotions, skin bumps, etc, compromises that seal and allows unfiltered air to bypass the mask for you to inhale. Bypass means you would get contaminated if near to the stuff you hoped to block.

When you breathe out, the mask is pushed outward and will allow air to slip out between the skin and mask. There are some n95 masks with a one way exhale port that allows all air to exit unfiltered. An n95 mask is not intended to protect others. Doctors mainly wear them to protect themselves. The exception is that very large water droplets could be caught. However, that it a statistically small insignificant amount, but a popular urban myth that it has any benefit.

Someone who is sick, and then coughs out a very large volume of air, all at once, contaminates the area around themselves. And fills the mask with covid to re-breathe.

People that wear n95 masks (for work) go through training which includes fit testing. That is where the trainer shows how to properly wear and seal the mask. They use a special nasty smelling smoke to see if any leaks by the seal. Then they go over how to properly remove the mask (that could be saturated with lots of bad stuff) without transferring anything it captured to your head and hands. Do you see anybody doing that?

Let's say you are trained how to properly wear the mask. Do you reuse it? I hope not. Do you change it out after a certain number of minutes? If not, things will seep through. Do you remove it somewhere you do not want contaminants scatter, or do you do remove it in the car or at home? There is research showing a contaminated mask will release that gunk when you breathe out - contaminating the area you are in. After every time you touch the mask, do you always disinfect your hands?

To test it for your self, find someone smoking. Put on your n95 mask. It should block the smoke smell. If yours does not, it's being worn wrong. Covid is a lot smaller than smoke.

You do know virus can spread through the air, via contact with your eyes. Are we wearing sealed goggles?

And of course, if 100% isn't possible then 0% is the only rational alternative.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

I can’t believe we are doing this again

Unfortunately, I not only believe it, I expect it...

[I'm Popeye!]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

At CoachK's hospitals, the hospital staff COVID infection rate is borderline to the hospitals requiring staff and patients to be masked mandatorily.

Friends of mine are coming down sick testing positive. .

Just facts, no judgements, YMMV

Boston waste water upticking and its still summertime in the NorthEast!

Some are not capable of comprehending this picture below...
. . . . . . . . . .WAKE UP!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

And of course, if 100% isn't possible then 0% is the only rational alternative.

A classic example of "reductio ad absurdum"...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

A classic example of "reductio ad absurdum"...

Did I miss the post that promoted mask wearing even though they might not be 100% effective?

I saw the post saying that the virus was smaller than 0.3micron. I assumed that implied that the masks were ineffective and not worth wearing.

I saw the post pointing out all the problems with wearing th N95 masks. I assumed that implied that the masks were ineffective and not worth wearing.

Was I wrong? Do you actually support wearing masks since something is better than nothing?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Did I miss the post that promoted mask wearing even though they might not be 100% effective?

I saw the post saying that the virus was smaller than 0.3micron. I assumed that implied that the masks were ineffective and not worth wearing.

I saw the post pointing out all the problems with wearing th N95 masks. I assumed that implied that the masks were ineffective and not worth wearing.

Was I wrong? Do you actually support wearing masks since something is better than nothing?

I wear a mask in my office, but not because of covid. One of the things I commonly do is debride thick mycotic (fungus) nails. I often use a dremel like grinder that produces copious amounts of "nail dust" which is full of fungal debris. A also use a vacuum device, but it fails to collect all of the dust.

I DO NOT want to inhale that and an N95 mask is perfect for that situation. But I typically have it hanging from one ear and only put it on if I know I'm going to do that procedure.

I haven't worn a mask in public since the mask mandates were lifted and I only did it then to comply with the venues I wanted to enter. I figured their place, their rules...

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Let’s just hope we learned from the last go around that paper face masks are useless for the person wearing it and closing down the economy is disastrous. Maybe not

So true ! Yes, covid was and is real, however, the "misinformation" (and that is being generous concerning the protection of a quilting cotton mask with your favorite sports team) about 6' being the magic distance (NOT 5 an NOT 10, but 6'), and the magic time, no covid if restaurants closed by 8, shots that keep you from killing your elderly relatives, and keep YOU safe from catching it, and so on... have done nothing, I fear, but breed total distrust of public "health" organizations and the government in general. It's really too bad. And all the people, myself included, wondering what I have done to my own health (in the long run) taking experimental "vaccines" which technically were not actual vaccines. Maybe just using common sense would/could have caused less devastation ? Guess no way to tell !

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Not doubting what you say, you seem well informed. The cotton masks I have seen come with a pocket to put in a filter. Are the filters completely useless as well? Or, do they block, at the very least, a little better than wearing the mask without the filter?

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by Byte1

WHy? Why you ask?
Because every time someone mentions the dreaded COVID the thread turns into hysteria.
This time, I have no intention on listening to a bunch of Chicken Littles, that start getting hysterical about wearing masks (that IMO do little good the way they were being used), running amok to find a place to get booster upon booter, or carrying hand sanitizer everywhere they go. The worse part is when anyone that shrugs off the hysteria is then labeled a horrible "denier" and ostracized by the group of Chicken Littles. I'm no expert or medical professional but just about everyone in my family has had COVID and most of them had it before the vaccination was available. AND, most of them said that the symptoms was no worse than a cold, and no one said it was as bad as having the Flu. Just saying. I know some in my family that tested positive for COVID with NO symptoms and only got tested because someone they knew had it. So, I am sure there are many folks that go about their day, whether shopping or socializing that have no idea they have COVID. Do I worry about it? Nope. I use the handy sanitizer wipes on my shopping cart that stores have at the entrances, more for cleaning the germs off it from colds and pet germs than anything else. Plus, using them makes it easier to open those darn produce bags.
Will anyone ever believe the gov. when they warn us of pandemics again, after the fiasco we endured for COVID? C'mon, man!!

Yes, there will always be "some", but the number who have lost confidence is probably a tremendous percentage, and that's a terrible thing we (or our government ?) have done. Now, there will always be a core of any population that just naturally runs on fear, in addition, almost all people are vulnerable to emotions, and death fear is one of the major fears for some. Personally, the hyper attention to basic cleanliness during the pandemic was a very positive step. I hate my recent observations of the hand sanitizer in every type of retail business disappearing, the plastic gloves now removed at most of the filling stations I frequent, people again emerging from restrooms that you can tell did not wash their hands, and so on. That heightened awareness of just basic things we "could" do to prevent a LOT of illnesses, rashes, various germs, etc. would have been a great measure to just preserve and make a routine. I've not even seen sani-wipes at Publix or Walmart for some time now. Noticed even the Dollar Tree has removed the hand sanitizer at the front door, etc.

[Sandy and Ed]

Originally Posted by Whitley

So a mask will not stop a contagious person from breathing out the disease, but will block you from breathing it in? Is that correct?

Sounds right (??!!). Sooo a mask is effective to keep YOU safe. So everyone should wear masks all the time (???). Heck, I’m just gonna stay in, watch tv, order delivery for everything, etc. Will save a lot of gas, no worry for melanoma from sun, etc.