[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MSGirl

What are the benefits

Basically, it is an avoidance of DEATH.

[jimjamuser]

Just want to volunteer a new issue to this discussion. Russia has a whole army of hackers whose objective is to sow uncertainty and chaos in all the western countries, especially the US of A. So logically speaking, Covid is a NEW disease with a worldwide influence and NEW vaccines. If I were a Russian hacker, I would think that since nothing is perfect, then the vaccines are NOT going to be perfect - so, it is a perfect vehicle to inject some uncertainty into the WEST.

Easy to do., Just find a Doctor somewhere that does NOT believe in vaccines and build up his reputation and TWEET it out. Find examples in the US where people got sick (or think that they got sick) after getting the vaccine. After enough TWEETS like that, the dark web will pick up the story and run with it. Then some regular radio and TV stations will mention the possibility of side effects or long-term effects.

Any vaccine can have legitimate side effects, usually small in number. What I am saying is that there are HUGE rewards for the darker forces in the world to try to exploit this and GREATLY exaggerate the side effects!

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

God gave Man the ability to become doctors and scientists. God gave Man skin that can endure the punctures of vaccine needles. God gave Man the intellect to understand that the spread of contagious disease and subsequent illness and death can be minimized.

God is helping you help yourself - just like it says in the bible. Maybe the reason you haven't gotten sick yet, is because God's been too busy helping people who help themselves, to notice that you're using His name in vain by blatantly ignoring all His gifts and then mocking him for it. Or maybe you were just lucky, and it has nothing to do with God at all.

OBB, that is an amazing post.
I am so glad you seem well, I hope so is your sister.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Well I guess if Dr. chrissy2231 and her extensive experience with people from her group activities says the vaccines don't work then I can ignore scientists and the real-world numbers. Thank you for opening my eyes.

EDIT (because I forgot): What does any of that have to do with the fact that the statement you provided as evidence of the side effects of the vaccine was actually informing of a possible side effect of the infection?

Also, what I am pondering is what you could possibly mean by "For the first year, there was no TV news about CANCER."

I imagine that cancer was around before TV.
P.S. I VAGUELY remember that there was a question that scientists had about whether or not ancient man had cancers. I don't know the answer or any of the details. I just pose this question to the experts.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Andyb

Might be a good idea to do some research and not from governmental sources.

Prior to about 1970 government was the only source of funds for original reseach. Today, that money has dried up and big corporations do most of the original research with Universities doing some. Then China steals research from the corporations.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Spsmith444

I’m confused, you have had 2 Moderna + 2 boosters? 4 jabs? And now considering a 5th in 2 years - yikes. I’ve had a total of 3 and not planning on anymore. Looking back they said if we all get 2 jabs all would be good.

I think of the word jab as useful for describing the short punch that pro boxers often throw.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Precisely the point of the post. Lazy person's "logic". MUCH easier to kill the messenger than to try to refute the message.

The precise same "approach" is used when someone disses CNN or MSNBC as "not reliable".

In neither case is the MESSAGE being considered.

Of the 2, I consider the source more important than the message. Sources have a track record that I can confirm. But, I can't confirm various messages.

[Byte1]

A recent study is interesting. Apparently, there is an 85% increased chance of heart attack within 28 days of getting the second covid shot for those 18 to 38 years old. I guess they are safe after 28 days?
Anyway, I also find it interesting to note that the majority of those catching covid right now, have had their vaccination and boosters. Not trying in any way to discourage the vaccination. Just continuing the conversations with some thoughts that I find interesting. You see, I have children, grandchildren and great grandchildren. One of my adult kids has had all their shots, including boosters and it waiting in line for the next booster. That one has had covid twice. All my other kids have not been vaccinated for covid because they reason that they caught covid and survived before the vaccinations were available to them.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by New Englander

I've had both Moderna shots and both boosters. Now the is a third Booster available. This is the first time I'm not really sure about a Covid Vaccine. I want to ask what others here are thinking about it?

I am going to pass. Talks with my oncologist,watching the reports by Dr John Campbell, and listening to the EU's board discussion about Pfizer and its lack of transparency have left me "unconvinced" that the benefit/risk analysis would show it to be worth it "for me". You need to decide for yourself. Of course censorship has made it difficult to get the data we would like as we make this decission.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Natural immunity to Covid occurs after you have had the virus. Some people didn't survive the virus so had no "natural immunity" to speak of. They are dead.

Some people take another's decision not to get the booster as a personal affront to their thinking. If someone feels the risk/benefit makes it worth taking the ongoing jabs, then go for it. Not sure why anyone would get so worked up by another persons decision not to.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Much much better to get your information from those right or left wing conspiracy sites. LOL.

And you believe government sites are not left or right wing? Interesting.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I think of the word jab as useful for describing the short punch that pro boxers often throw.

If you use the v word on sites you can be banned. So much for transparency.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I didn't say I was stopping at 5 shots. I was just counting up the total I will have by December. From what I have been reading about these vaccines, they will be given annually, like the flu shot.

What exactly is it that these boosters are said to do? Am I correct that they do not stop the spread, they do not prevent you from getting covid, but they claim that should you get covid the symptoms should be less severe. Is that correct?

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Your choice and I respect that.

Being vaccinated, I'm personally more concerned about long COVID at this point after seeing several friends suffer for months of headaches, brain fog, loss of energy and now heart inflammation.

These are healthy, active people who can no longer do what they like to do months later.

And their symptoms have gotten worse after a second infection.

Were they not vaccinated and boosted they would have very very long covid. See, the vaccine works.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Whitley

What exactly is it that these boosters are said to do? Am I correct that they do not stop the spread, they do not prevent you from getting covid, but they claim that should you get covid the symptoms should be less severe. Is that correct?

Nothing is perfect. The vaccine will help stop the spread. The vaccine will help prevent you from getting covid. If you get covid, the vaccines will help make the symptoms less severe and reduce death.

A large number of people can say they have had covid more than once; the majority of those people are vaccinated. A large number of people have died from covid; the majority of those people were unvaccinated. I have chosen the group I want to belong to.