[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Looking back that is what they said but the virus decided to mutate into omricon and the new pfizer booster protects against it.

So does the new Moderna booster protect against Omicron. I linked an article about the two manufacturers' boosters. In case you didn't see it, here it is again..........

New Omicron boosters available from Pfizer and Moderna with Sandra Fryhofer, MD | AMA Update Video | AMA

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by DARFAP

You mean the one tested on eight mice? Good luck!

All eight mice survived. Right?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

My wife ran across a video online this morning; some insurance guy talking about the startling rise in mortality among millennials following the mass COVID vaccinations. He had run the numbers about life insurance payouts to that particular age group's beneficiaries and had found that it was something like 84% more than it should have been. I can't recall the exact time-period but it was for a period of some months from about mid-2021 into 2022.

The problem is (and unfortunately always will be) that the messenger will be (figuratively) killed so that the message will not be heard. (Note to the Thought Police: this point cuts both ways so hopefully this post will be seen as neutral politically). This particular story is being spread by The Epoch Times American Thought Leaders. That fact alone means that about half the population will immediately dismiss the story as contrived propaganda--about the same reaction, I suppose, that the other half would have if a story pushing glowing rather than scary reports were being spread by CNN or MSNBC.

This, I think, defines the problem with actual data relating to COVID, COVID vaccines or I suppose any other polarizing issue (aren't they all?). The source is considered before the data is thought through. We choose our side by choosing the data that best fits what we've already decided SHOULD be the case. We may lie to ourselves, at least to a point, by thinking that WE have thought things through whereas the other guys haven't, but unfortunately the other guys feel the same way about us.

COVID, bad as it is, is only a symptom of the REAL sickness that has paralyzed America.

We're light-years removed from the days of Uncle Walter as The Most Trusted Man in America.

Epoch Times is not a reliable source. See it here..........

The Epoch Times Bias and Reliability | Ad Fontes Media

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

When the vaccine first became available, I wasn't eligible (not old enough yet, not disabled, not at risk). Eventually it was my turn to decide. I asked my doctor "are YOU vaccinated?" He said yes. That was good enough for me.

Your doctor is a smart person. Not all doctors are that smart.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Your doctor is a smart person. Not all doctors are that smart.

I don't believe that doctors at The Villages Health were ever required to be vaccinated against COVID. But this was earlier on during the Pandemic after the first shot came out and was only available to seniors, medical professionals, and I believe first responders as well at that point. So it still wasn't mandatory. But my doctor got it anyway, because he felt this was the most appropriate thing to do. No side effects, no problems with it other than a sore arm for him, he's in his late 50's I believe so technically also a senior.

I'll trust my in-person up-close doctor who has my medical records and literally knows me inside and out. over Dr. Google or Dr. Youtube or Dr. Researchgate.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Epoch Times is not a reliable source. See it here..........

The Epoch Times Bias and Reliability | Ad Fontes Media

Precisely the point of the post. Lazy person's "logic". MUCH easier to kill the messenger than to try to refute the message.

The precise same "approach" is used when someone disses CNN or MSNBC as "not reliable".

In neither case is the MESSAGE being considered.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Here we go. Round and round and round and round again............

Many of those folks with pre-existing conditions may still be alive today IF they did not contract Covid-19. In fact, chances are very good they would still be alive today. Covid was their death sentence. That was pre-vaccine that I'm referring to.

"May"? Chances are"? (great Johnny Mathis song, but a lousy diagnostic tool...)

Catching the Flu could have had the same results...

"Here we go. Round and round and round and round again............"

Here's an idea... Stop arguing about it...

I wonder where the "post counter guy" is on this thread...

[Boston-Sean]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Now you got me thinking. I've had the original two shot series of the Moderna vaccine. Then I've had two booster shots for a total of 4 shots. I'm waiting until December to have my third booster because I've had Covid recently. That will be a total of five shots. I'm good with that.

Stopping at only 5 shots????

Damn anti-vaxxers.

[B-flat]

Originally Posted by G.R.I.T.S.

Short answer No. Long answer hell no.

Ditto with a capital D!!! Some folks need to read Robert F. Kennedy Jr. book “ The Real Anthony Fauci, Gates and Big Pharma.” It’s intense reading more like a textbook but the first 50 pages is all you really need to understand what this is all about. You won’t see in on NBC, CBS, CNN, ABC etc. either.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Precisely the point of the post. Lazy person's "logic". MUCH easier to kill the messenger than to try to refute the message.

The precise same "approach" is used when someone disses CNN or MSNBC as "not reliable".

In neither case is the MESSAGE being considered.

By that logic I'm too lazy to refute flat-earthers and psychics too. I can live with that.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Boston-Sean

Stopping at only 5 shots????

Damn anti-vaxxers.

I didn't say I was stopping at 5 shots. I was just counting up the total I will have by December. From what I have been reading about these vaccines, they will be given annually, like the flu shot.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by B-flat

Ditto with a capital D!!! Some folks need to read Robert F. Kennedy Jr. book “ The Real Anthony Fauci, Gates and Big Pharma.” It’s intense reading more like a textbook but the first 50 pages is all you really need to understand what this is all about. You won’t see in on NBC, CBS, CNN, ABC etc. either.

Robert F. Kennedy is a notorious anti-vaxxer. I have no inclination to read his bunk.

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Haven't had a booster yet. Wow, I'm still alive! At this point in my life, I'm not interested until my doctor tells me that I MUST get one. Of course, I only see a doctor once per year for my yearly physical. He still asks me if i want a flu shot and shrugs when I ask him if I really need it. Never had the flu and haven't had a flu shot in the last fifty years. Had covid but it was no more vicious than a mild cold. I'm glad everyone else gets their shots, so they can live forever. You do live forever when you get your booster, right? Just me being facetious. I am neither for nor against covid boosters and will not try to convince anyone to forego getting their vaccinations. Me? At this time, I am not getting any boosters. I had my original two shots and no boosters. I'm healthy and well past my expiration date so if I croak from covid, I've lived a great life so C'est la vie. Not planning to wear a face mask anymore either, UNLESS I have to visit a hospital and they require it. Living dangerously? Hey, I wear a seat belt when I drive and a helmet when I ride my motorbike.

Good for you. So there actually is a rational thinker left in this world ! Seems the more people are boosted, the more times they get it. Then they tell you they would be dead, having had it 3 times, if not for their boosters. Makes about as much sense as microbes being trapped in common food handler masks and masks made of cute quilting fabrics. But these things seem to keep people from panicking, makes them feel safe and protected, like carrying a rabbit's foot on a key chain. And that is a good thing, anything to calm the masses is a positive; it's an old psychological principle and it works. `

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

Good for you. So there actually is a rational thinker left in this world ! Seems the more people are boosted, the more times they get it. Then they tell you they would be dead, having had it 3 times, if not for their boosters. Makes about as much sense as microbes being trapped in common food handler masks and masks made of cute quilting fabrics. But these things seem to keep people from panicking, makes them feel safe and protected, like carrying a rabbit's foot on a key chain. And that is a good thing, anything to calm the masses is a positive; it's an old psychological principle and it works. `

The quote above was in response to a post that mentioned seat belts and motorcycle helmets. I found that interesting since nearly the same wording could be used in regards to both of those.

Seems the more people wear belts/helmets the more they seem to be injured. Then they tell you they would be dead, having been in several accidents, were it not for their belts/helmets.

Not a strong argument against belts/helmets and likewise, not a strong argument against vaccinations.

But hey, keep up the fight to cast doubt on the vaccines; although with 400 deaths every day there are fewer and fewer left to hear the message.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Babubhat

Not until updated version available

The 3rd booster, which is called the bi-valent Omicron booster has been available for months. Deaths are up in Brevard County. !st time in a while. Winter season is here and people up north will be indoors in groups more and it can spread to Florida. People over 65 should not take chances.