[gomsiepop]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

This is not by accident. The policy makers in D.C. have been working for years to consolidate healthcare delivery down from 4000+ hospitals and 800,000+ doctors. Their goal is about 100 "Regional Heath Care Centers" where one dominant tertiary care facility owns about 40 or 50 hospitals and a couple thousand medical practices. Why??---it's all about regulation and control. It's easier to sit on 1 big center and make absurd regulations that that one hospital has to enforce down line, than the multitude of providers we have now. Why control and regulation? Because these bozos, advised by academic @$$e$, think that THEY, and only THEY, as auspices of big government, can do the job better that those who have trained for it and practiced it all their lives.

But isn't that exactly what The Villages is attempting to create?

[rexxfan]

Originally Posted by gomsiepop

But isn't that exactly what The Villages is attempting to create?

The difference is nobody is required to join TVH and can choose whatever health care services they desire. But I suspect you know that.
--
Bob C

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by gomsiepop

But isn't that exactly what The Villages is attempting to create?

Not even close. There's a huge difference between "PATIENT CENTERED Medical Home" and "GOVERNMENT controlled healthcare delivery". The PCMH brings all aspects of the patient's healthcare information under one roof---primary care, specialist referral, lab, x ray, medication and then applies a quality assurance program to the results while following evidence based medicine and best practice guidelines. This is how they achieve cost savings.

The government just wants control, at any cost. Just look at the current skyrocketing costs under Obamacare. If your desire is to achieve a totalitarian socialist country, you need to control the media, the jobs, the healthcare, and the "freebies" It doesn't hurt to have a national "enemy" either. We have plenty of freebies, the media is in the tank, Obamacare tries to control healthcare, and there are already over 3 million federal employees, not counting the military. Currently, the "enemy" appears to be climate change deniers and those who oppose transgender rights, subject to change. OK, we're 33 years past 1984, but maybe Orwell had a point.

[gomsiepop]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Not even close. There's a huge difference between "PATIENT CENTERED Medical Home" and "GOVERNMENT controlled healthcare delivery". The PCMH brings all aspects of the patient's healthcare information under one roof---primary care, specialist referral, lab, x ray, medication and then applies a quality assurance program to the results while following evidence based medicine and best practice guidelines. This is how they achieve cost savings.

The government just wants control, at any cost. Just look at the current skyrocketing costs under Obamacare. If your desire is to achieve a totalitarian socialist country, you need to control the media, the jobs, the healthcare, and the "freebies" It doesn't hurt to have a national "enemy" either. We have plenty of freebies, the media is in the tank, Obamacare tries to control healthcare, and there are already over 3 million federal employees, not counting the military. Currently, the "enemy" appears to be climate change deniers and those who oppose transgender rights, subject to change. OK, we're 33 years past 1984, but maybe Orwell had a point.

So, it's either The Villages' way or the highway. Medical care with their decision making. Right now I have a choice. In any case the similarities are alarming. Close enough for me.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by gomsiepop

So, it's either The Villages' way or the highway. Medical care with their decision making. Right now I have a choice. In any case the similarities are alarming. Close enough for me.

Hmmmm.....
I can't really see how you got to that conclusion from my post---perhaps someone could explain that logic to me

[Dan9871]

Originally Posted by gomsiepop

Medical care with their decision making.

What decisions do you mean? In TVH there is no requirement to get a referral to go to a specialist... You don't even have to talk to your PCP about if you don't want to.

You are limited to the specialists in the network, but GE has pointed out that is not a practical limit, though you might not agree.

If you need a procedure that cannot be done by any of the specialists in the network UHC MA is required to pay for an outside network qualified specialist if original Medicare would.

If you just want a specialist outside of the network for whatever reason as long as you get an exception from UHC MA they will pay for it. Of course there is no guarantee but UHC most likely would approve.

[gomsiepop]

Originally Posted by Dan9871

What decisions do you mean? In TVH there is no requirement to get a referral to go to a specialist... You don't even have to talk to your PCP about if you don't want to.

You are limited to the specialists in the network, but GE has pointed out that is not a practical limit, though you might not agree.

If you need a procedure that cannot be done by any of the specialists in the network UHC MA is required to pay for an outside network qualified specialist if original Medicare would.

If you just want a specialist outside of the network for whatever reason as long as you get an exception from UHC MA they will pay for it. Of course there is no guarantee but UHC most likely would approve.

That is the basis for my statement. "As long as you get an exception from UHC MA they will pay for it. Of course THERE IS NO GUARANTEE but UHC MOST LIKELY would approve". There are too many variables. Variables which don't sit right with me. After reading posts on both sides of the fence I am leaning towards responding to the survey with, take it and do with it as you will but, I don't want it any longer. That will be my privilege.

[rivaridger1]

Village Health applied the boot
A size 14 wore by a brute
Kicked us all right down the chute
So they could make much more loot
Justified with harp and lute
Expected us to stay quite mute
Didn't think we'd give a hoot
Dropped us all as a group
Don't let their action remain moot
We are old but not yet coots
Don't use your survey for Fido's poop
Respond and punch them in the snoot
Sometimes I wish I had a nuke

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by rivaridger1

Village Health applied the boot
A size 14 wore by a brute
Kicked us all right down the chute
So they could make much more loot
Justified with harp and lute
Expected us to stay quite mute
Didn't think we'd give a hoot
Dropped us all as a group
Don't let their action remain moot
We are old but not yet coots
Don't use your survey for Fido's poop
Respond and punch them in the snoot
Sometimes I wish I had a nuke

Very clever, I'm impressed.

Of course it has nothing to do with reality, so I'll file it under fictional poetry.

But impressive, nonetheless

[golfing eagles]

Just received the e-mail with a link to the survey. Haven't opened it yet, but this should prove interesting. I predict another 150+ posts on this thread.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Just received the e-mail with a link to the survey. Haven't opened it yet, but this should prove interesting. I predict another 150+ posts on this thread.

Let's bet a lobster. Should I invite Barefoot to enter a bet?

P.S., at least 150.


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[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by dbussone

Let's bet a lobster. Should I invite Barefoot to enter a bet?

P.S., at least 150.


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Only if you want to go hungry

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Just received the e-mail with a link to the survey. Haven't opened it yet, but this should prove interesting. I predict another 150+ posts on this thread.

150+ with125 being meaningless jibberish.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

150+ with125 being meaningless jibberish.

If we bet a lobster, I'll make sure it reaches 150, even if 149 are meaningless gibberish

[Villager Joyce]

I'll take meaningless gibberish for 150, Alex.