[Villager Joyce]

Let's change the circumstances for discussing purposes. What if starting August 1st you have to pay $1 each time you play golf or go in a pool or take a class or drive on the MMP? Sure it's different, but it's the same. We didn't purchase our house because of VHS but at the same time we didn't purchase in another area because it was 20 miles to the closest health facility. We didn't purchase our house because the pools are free and golf is free, etc., but it was all part of the reason we wanted and still want to live here. This to us is a minor bleep on the radar, but it is important to many and I respect that.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Villager Joyce

Let's change the circumstances for discussing purposes. What if starting August 1st you have to pay $1 each time you play golf or go in a pool or take a class or drive on the MMP? Sure it's different, but it's the same. We didn't purchase our house because of VHS but at the same time we didn't purchase in another area because it was 20 miles to the closest health facility. We didn't purchase our house because the pools are free and golf is free, etc., but it was all part of the reason we wanted and still want to live here. This to us is a minor bleep on the radar, but it is important to many and I respect that.

Sorry, bad analogy. You can't equate an amenity with a newly organized health care CHOICE. The equivalent to what the disenfranchised are complaining about would be if TV started charging $20 per round on the executive courses, after "free golf for life" was promoted ad nauseam. But in the case of TVH, there is no evidence that any equivalent promise was made.

[Villager Joyce]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Sorry, bad analogy. You can't equate an amenity with a newly organized health care CHOICE. The equivalent to what the disenfranchised are complaining about would be if TV started charging $20 per round on the executive courses, after "free golf for life" was promoted ad nauseam. But in the case of TVH, there is no evidence that any equivalent promise was made.

VHS was implied when we looked at the houses to purchase. When the changes were first being discussed, it was implied we would be grandfathered. I like my analogy.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Villager Joyce

VHS was implied when we looked at the houses to purchase. When the changes were first being discussed, it was implied we would be grandfathered. I like my analogy.

I like your analogy too. Promises made to bring in business; promises not kept.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Villager Joyce

VHS was implied when we looked at the houses to purchase. When the changes were first being discussed, it was implied we would be grandfathered. I like my analogy.

I love you, Joyce, but....

I still have my house in NY for sale. I'd be happy to IMPLY it is flawless. I'll IMPLY the taxes are low. I'll IMPLY it will double in value over the next 10 years. When can I expect your check????

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

As a Canadian with many older friends, I've never once heard of anyone waiting six months for an essential operation.
Or being refused treatment based on age. Never.

It's funny how an anecdotal (or even made up) story/stories can take a life of their own.

Very similar to the story/stories about all of us old folks here in TV, spending our time golfing/drinking/having orgies and walking around with our private parts about to fall off due to STD's.

I have had the good fortune to have worked with, and become friends with, scores of Canadians and have many times discussed the primary difference in our country's views on health of its citizens.

Long before ACA, I have personally never run across a Canadian that would have changed places with me even though I have a 'Rolls Royce' (even better than a Cadillac ) health insurance.

When I brought up all of the stories being bandied about in regards to being denied or waiting an unacceptably long time to receive treatment for a serious condition, they all said that it's possible that it might happen occasionally, but none of them had ever known of anyone that "died waiting to get in for a procedure" or even an untenable waiting time to get treatment for something serious or needed.

Which is a lot different story than some people here in the States would want others of us to believe.

Something one of my closer friends once said has always stuck with me. He stated that it seemed to him that our country placed more emphasis ensuring the stability of those companies that made weapons of war (military industrial complex), than the health of ALL of its own citizens. His exact quote, as I recall was.... "a lot of you Americans seem to have the attitude toward your own fellow citizens of...I have mine, screw you."

Once again, this was long before Obamacare. That particular discussion stuck with me for years and is the reason I was glad to see something being done about insuring more fellow Americans and also eliminating the pre-existing condition exclusion, that so many insurance companies used (unless you were part of a large group plan) to exclude some people from getting the care they needed.

Anyway Barefoot, more than anything I wanted to let you know that as a group, I find Canadians to be at the top of the list of being the nicest, most reasonable, and caring folks that I personally had the pleasure of knowing.


PS. All is not perfect with you folks though. It does tick me off that y'all have had the ability to vacation in Cuba and bring back/own Cuban cigars.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I love you, Joyce, but....

I still have my house in NY for sale. I'd be happy to IMPLY it is flawless. I'll IMPLY the taxes are low. I'll IMPLY it will double in value over the next 10 years. When can I expect your check????

Your house in NY... everything is traceable. Taxes, history of valuation over the years. Comparable sale prices in your neighborhood. You must report at listing anything you know is wrong with the house, unless NY is different from the rest of the US. Otherwise you can be sued for non disclosure. Different situation from VHS.

We were told there would be a buildout in two years back in 2011. Ha ha. The Doctor Welby promotion was a marketing tool they never knew if they could uphold. I'm glad we didn't buy into it. We have the most wonderful doctor outside of the villages who saved my husband's life by recognizing a rare disease. And now that we have such trust in him, I am happy to know nothing can keep us away from his care.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Your house in NY... everything is traceable. Taxes, history of valuation over the years. Comparable sale prices in your neighborhood. You must report at listing anything you know is wrong with the house, unless NY is different from the rest of the US. Otherwise you can be sued for non disclosure. Different situation from VHS.

OK, let me re-phrase. I'll IMPLY that there will be a new shopping mall built and IMPLY that there are plans for 6 new championship golf courses and IMPLY a new stadium seating Cinebistro is being built. Now it's the same. Of course, I won't put any of that in writing.....

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

OK, let me re-phrase. I'll IMPLY that there will be a new shopping mall built and IMPLY that there are plans for 6 new championship golf courses and IMPLY a new stadium seating Cinebistro is being built. Now it's the same. Of course, I won't put any of that in writing.....

Okay. But a lot different than playing around with someone's health care, IMO.

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by CFrance

We have the most wonderful doctor outside of the villages who saved my husband's life by recognizing a rare disease. And now that we have such trust in him, I am happy to know nothing can keep us away from his care.

That's where you are wrong. Your "wonderful doctor" may change what he accepts for insurance any time. Then what will you say?

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by NYGUY

Too funny....no one ever said we would be taken care of for "the time being"....did God tell you he would only take care of you for the time being, until I make some necessary changes, did your spouse, did your mother, did your life insurance company, did your nursing school. No, they didn't say that. You let your fingers get carried away with your rant. We know you would like to keep your job and I hope you do!! But, you don't work in the finance department, or senior management. You don't know if what "they" tell you is fact.

When I moved here two years ago I was told that my insurance would be accepted "for now" but TVHC was associated with UHC and there was a possibility that could change going forward. I changed because a review of BCBS in PA was superior to BCBS in FL and UHC Advantage was better than BCBS FL but, I was told that if I went with BCBS there was no guarantee how long it would be accepted. So, yeah they did say that.

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I like your analogy too. Promises made to bring in business; promises not kept.

Could you share a COPY of those promises, or is this just your understanding?

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by Villageswimmer

Likewise, has "the nurse" ever come back to give sources for his/her multiple "facts?"

Just sayin'.

Actually what she said makes sense......even without documentation. The fact that is relavant is that this is about business and profit. You may choose to believe that or not, but I doubt there is much more to it than that.

[rexxfan]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Jim

Why -- because they can`t wait six months to get an operation to remove cancer or to settle for not being given a treatment because they are too old .

Aye, and in the end they won't have that option because our system will have been transformed into one where those same waiting times and rationing will be the norm. Hey, but at least everyone will have insurance. Heh. Sigh.
--
Bob C

[aaffmom]

Originally Posted by Happydaz

The Villages' trollies for the past three years took visitors to new home areas to show the neighborhoods and types of homes available. The Trollies then went to one of the TVH centers to show the health care centers that were available to Village residents. They used TVH as a marketing tool to sell their houses. Many people bought here glad to know that quality and convenient healthcare would be available. It sounds like your rant is another example of a person who is not affected by this major change and has tired of the anger and disappointment of his fellow Villagers.

Maybe they work for The Villages