Give me your tired--------
 

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

Has Lady Liberty's inscription been revoked ?

My ancestors had to have a sponsor. My grandfather was indentured. There is a legal way and an illegal way to become a citizen.

And our country is already in debt. There is only so much we can do financially. We can't take care of everybody. No matter if they long to be here and are good people. This isn't the way we used to do things. We are being overwhelmed with people just strolling in. That beautiful quote above was written before we had welfare. People who came here had to be able to take care of themselves immediately.

This country is more open and more receptive than it has ever been in its history.

Do not get lost in the politics of the situation. We are a country of LAWS, not men, and to say in anyway that the thought behind that inscription has been "revoked" is simply a sign of lack of understanding. We have become lax, not less open and that is dangerous to those who lived and dreamed the words you quote.

If we have turned our back on the world, it is our lack of attention to it..the world. It is our lack of understanding that the need in the world is of a leader and we are that leader, or used to be. THAT is not meant to say fighting others battles, that is not always the answer, but the world is under siege (just watch the news or read the paper today) and we cannot afford to ignore the world: THAT would be a revoking of our promise to the world.

An honored guest comes in your front door. A thief sneaks in your back door.

From Wikipedia:

Refugees of the Syrian Civil War, widely referred as the Syrian refugees,[18] are Syrian nationals, who have fled Syria with the escalation of the Syrian Civil War.[19] To escape the violence, roughly two and a half million Syrian refugees have fled the country to neighboring Jordan,[20] Lebanon, Turkey,[21][22] Iraq and Iraqi Kurdistan,[23] while thousands also ended up in more distant countries of the Caucasus, the Persian Gulf and North Africa.

In August 2012, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) reported that the number of registered Syrian refugees had reached over 200,000, exceeding the UNHCR estimate of 185,000 for the entire year.[24] Also according to the United Nations, 6 million people inside Syrian needed help and about 4 million Syrians were internally displaced because of the Syrian Civil War.[24][25]

By early 2013, the UNHCR announced that the number of refugees had topped 1 million, and by March 2013 had risen to 1,204,707 people. A spokeswoman for UNHCR, Sybilla Wilkes, also reported that the rate of flight from Syria was increasing. "In March an average of 10,000 people crossing per day. In February it was 8,000. In January it was 5,000. The numbers keep going up and up."[26] In September 2013, the number of Syrian refugees topped 2 million. On December 2013, UN announced an aid appeal for US$6.5 billion in order to assist the Syrian population - some US$2.3 billion are destined for civilians inside Syria, while US$4.2 billion would go to Syrian refugees in neighbouring countries.[27] This was the all-time high humanitarian appeal in UN history.

I think Lady Liberty has emigrated to Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan!

Funny, well not funny, but ironic.

As I understand the current problem in my naive manner, we have a well intentioned law from 2008 that has created a loophole. Seems one of the infamous directives might change that law as with others, or both chambers in Congress could make a phone call and change that law to stop the unintended consequences of the 2008 law.

But, right now in our country, everything has to have a gain for "our side" thus inaction is making everything worse, much worse.

My suggestion does NOT take care of the big picture immigration problem but it might reduce the stress on the current influx into our land.

No, this country is still accepting those who want to come here, but I, as an American, want to insure that those who come, come in that "front door" and they will be welcomed, hugged and fostered in this land.

Everyone in this country knows mostly from practical and real life knowledge the importance of those immigrants. They are welcome and invited.

Well stated.

What will we do when those from the North and from across the Atlantic and Pacific demand EQUAL treatment or allowance?

I am interested to see just how accomodating those who defend the current mindless support of an open border. Are you willing to start paying more of your retirement $$$ to take care of them. Too many tight now are very brave with their words because they have absolutely nothing invested and there is no immediate threat to their well being or way of life. But the generations behind us will pay dearly and their way of life will be severly affected. Just listen to the impact already at the schools and hospitals. Just watch and see as the rolls for food stamps and welfare double again.

Those who are for this out of control onslaught by illegal entrants are completely out of touch with the true reality. The enemies of the USA will stand by in amusement as this country implodes into a third world country.

We have resolved to being the paper tiger the Japanese feared they awakened with Pearl Harbor. The enemies of today have no fear of the tiger that has been declawed and teeth removed!!!!!!!

It seems as though my comment was not appreciated by at least one poster. I have taken it down.

As to a solution for what to be done on our border to the South - How to turn the influx back to Central America? It could be just to refuse them entry and turn them around with a brief amount of force? Would that look good or would it work? No.

A high wall from Texas to California with barbed wire on top? Would that look good or would it work? No.

Education funds and humanitarian funds to Central America so they would be somewhat better off? Might work.

Take in families and children under a certain age. Good idea.

Very We'll put. I totally agree with you.

Just out of curiosity, where did you get this quote from?

Z

I sang it in high school. Are you an American citizen? If so, you should know where it comes from. If not, google will answer your question.

If you refer to the OP in post one...

""Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door


It was written by a Jewish poet and is inscribed at the base of the Statue of Liberty and has for many years welcomed immigrants to our shore !

I know that one. I was wondering about the long-winded one.

Z

The number of consumers in our country already exceeds the number of producers. We cannot continue on this path and have any hope of sustaining ourselves as a prosperous and viable nation. At some point, a line has to be drawn and the rules must be enforced.

Nothing. All I get is a reference to TOTV and this thread.

Consider me lazy. What is it from?

And yes - I am an American citizen.

Z

America has never been wide open to everyone who wanted to come here -- at least not since the Civil War (when even states had immigration laws). As was said, you had to have a sponsor or the financial means to support yourself; you could not be carrying a communicable disease. There was and is a quota system for each nation/region as to how may immigrants are allowed to come to America. Political asylum is left for those who have something to offer America, rarely the common man.

Immigration laws banning certain people deemed undesirable (originally, Chinese railroad laborers) were implemented in the 1870s (causing the first run of illegal immigrants). Laws before then were actually more about deporting undesirables and obtaining American citizenship than any sort of limits as to who could come to the U.S.

In reality, Lady Liberty's poem was always just that -- a poem. It was never meant to be taken literally. The Statue of Liberty began being built in 1875 -- after our first laws prohibiting Chinese laborers. Rather made it a sad farce, didn't it?

Personally, I don't mind an open-door policy. I do mind forcing taxpayers to support those coming in. Come to America, find a job, pay taxes, make this your home (not just a way to make money with the plan to leave here as soon as you've earned enough money). Learn English (no ESL in schools or elsewhere). Become an American citizen. Love this country as much as we do. Those that come with those goals, whether arriving legally or illegally, are welcome in my mind.

The Facts Are.....................
 

1. You quote a portion of a sonnet written by Emma Lazarus, a then-popular poet who contributed a hand-written copy of the poem to an auction as part of a fund raising campaign to get the funds to build the base of the statue. The government did not fund building the base upon which the statue, a gift from the people of France, was to be placed.

2. Friends of the poet later raised money for a bronze plaque to be installed inside the monument to commemorate her fund raising effort. The plaque included the sonnet. It was not, and is not official government policy.

3. This is not the only plaque on the statue. Among others, the cornerstone also bears a plaque placed by the Freemasons.

4. The "golden door" beside which Lady Liberty lifts her torch is the LEGAL FRONT DOOR, not an illegal back door.

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Bingo, redwitch. Bingo.

I have no problem with what Lady Liberty stands for or her inscription. When my mother came here she had to learn ENGLISH and the forms you had to fill out were only in ENGLISH and ENGLISH was the only language. Are you following my drift?

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Wouldn't this be great! No wars. No IRA bombs! No Vietnam! No Korea! People crossing countries like states and living as one! Unfortunately this will not happen in our lifetime.

Imagining Nonsense
 

The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." Psalm 14:1

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Totally agree. From what I have been told by some workers in some area of immigration--even the workers who used to come into this country to work on farms and to help pick various fruits and vegetables have learned that it is much easier to apply for every kind of assistance. So all of a sudden, the people who needed help on their farms, etc, no longer have any help. So they want to bring in more farm workers. The new workers also get here and are told all about "free everything" without the hard work. Are you seeing a pattern??? These are not just my thoughts, but people from the immigration services. I personally have heard it from pregnant patients who came to this country on a birth vacation solely to have their babies become citizens, They are given instructions on where to apply and what to say to get on all available assistance. They were very open and even proud of what they were doing. I don't have any children, but I really do feel very, very sorry for all the innocent children in many of the countries, although I think they are finding out that not all of these "children" are even actually children-saw a newspaper article about a "child" up north who tried applying to a school. This child has grey hair, looks very much like an adult, but without documentation???? The children I rally feel sorry for though are your children, and your grandchildren. Who will help them? I don't care who you are, you can't deny that this country is already in deep financial trouble, and a lot of even middle aged adults today don't have the savings we were very fortunate to put aside. Of course, that's going to go too with cuts in Medicare, SS, and increases in foods, drugs, insurances, etc. That's all from me. I am sure many will disagree with me, but we are all entitled to our own opinions.

I can't believe some people think lots ok to enter our country illegally ,if they plan to work.Do you cherry pick laws that you will abide by?
Would it be ok, if they took over your house, because they need a place to live and they intend to work
There is a right way to do things and no one who comes into this country illegally should be entitled to anything
We have to take care of our own legal citizens first
Debbie

1. Change the law, as mentioned earlier....the law that was passed by with all good intentions that has had unintended consequences and is the opening that is causing the immediate problem. Either by edict, as we are known to do, or by a few phone calls forgetting what votes we get or lose in the process.

2. Announce to those countries loud and clear that everyone is welcome if they follow the law, and do it loudly.

That is the short term that is causing the problem.

This is a welcoming and tolerant and giving country, but once it becomes a matter of simply pushing and shoving with no respect shown for our country and our laws, there has to be action instead of words.


All of this was mentioned previously in this thread.

I wish that more people would read the history of the US concerning immigration. The US only let in immigrants when it saw a need for them. Yes, we are country of immigrants, legal immigrants. I consider myself very lucky.

It appears to me that most of our posters still support immigration facilitated by a rational(enforced) policy.

What do we do about the unaccompanied children?

How painful it must be for their parents to send them for 100-1000s of miles to escape the brutality of their situations. Do they truly qualify as "refugees"

Are the actions of their parents truly motivated by love as suggested by Jeb Bush?

Seems to me that very few are concerned about the country which is facilitating this invasion of illegals. That is Mexico which allows for the free passage from border to border. While we put sanctions on other countries for misdeeds, there is none that I am aware of on Mexico. There should be major issues worked on by our country to stop the flow and that means getting Mexico to take action.

For starters we could enforce the rules and laws on the books. These are deemed unacceptable to current politicians who have other objectives in mind.

We could easily just adopt the rules and laws that Mexico has in place for immigration into their country. The single biggest difference is they do in fact enforce the existing laws.

As long as this subject remains a political issue it will never be resolved.
As long as we the people continue to stand by and let the government do as they please without fear of retribution or loss of election the issue of immigration will never be resolved.

Until such time as a terrorist action leading to the deaths of American citizens is linked to the open border, the immigration issue will never be resolved.

And when legal Americans finally become the minority.....I guess that will be too late....eh?

My post is not meant to be political .............. however, until we have term limits on politicians and they can no longer make being an elected official their business for life, there will be no changes to anything!

I'm interested in your opinion. Since we are now taking in more people than ever do you think that it has been revoked?

I somehow sense that you posted this with the huge influx of people coming here illegally being prevented from entering, being turned away and apprehended when found in the country.

What is your position? Would you have no laws or regulations for people entering our country? Would you not regulate who is a citizen? How exactly would you handle immigration?

History has a way of repeating itself.
Have any of you heard about the Orphan Train that operated from 1853 to 1929? The Northeast was inundated with immigrants in the large cities and there was not enough work. People were starving and giving up their children. Parents were dying and leaving orphans. The institutions were overwhelmed with all of these orphan children. Several organizations began the Orphan Train which relocated over 250,000.00 immigrant children throughout the US, mostly the Midwest. Many were fortunate enough to be adopted by loving families but more were basically slaves used for far work and housekeeping. We have been through this before in the US. The results were not pretty. My Great grandfather and his first wife lived on a farm in Kansas and had no children. They adopted two children from the orphan train. I hope they were treated well but I often wonder since no one in our family seems to know what happened to them. There names were John and Emily Davis (9 and 11 years old) and they were from Ireland.
Oh, I forgot to mention that there would be advance notice that the trains were coming to your city. The children would depart the train and stand on the platform for viewing and hoping someone would take them. At the time many likened this display to a slave market. It was a very humiliating experience but hopefully it made some lives better.

It's the purposeful dumping of children, by Mexico, Guatemala etc. dumping their children out to be somebody else's problem.

Dumping dogs is a felony in the U.S. The dumping nations must be held to account.

The dumping nations' politicians will figure out a way to get aid money from the USA....somehow.
Or they will figure out how to sue the USA for not treating the kids as they think they should be.
Two stupid comments, I recognize.....but both 100% within the realm of possibility.

What you have stated sounds harsh and cruel but unfortunately reality is harsh and cruel. It is not the fault of the children but of the home nations. These home Nations must be held accountable for this tragedy.

Unfortunately we as a nation have allowed the deterioration of the meaning of being held accountable to the level of being totally meaningless no matter how serious or dastardly the deed(s).

There is nothing here that says there is no God, only there is no heaven nor hell. Lots of people around the world have God or Gods by different names and, unfortunately, fought bravely in their name.

Gee, I wonder how many of these south of the border illegal immigrant minor's parents would send their children to Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan or any other country for that matter if their children were offered amnesty there ???

Interesting program noted below. Just too bad this type of funding is not available to our own legal disadvantaged children to help them escape from a life of neglect, abuse, and poverty that they are currently living in this country!!!

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A shocking new report from Breitbart.com says an ad is offering more than $6,000 a month to people willing to house illegal immigrant minors in Murrieta, Calif.

An ad placed in the Penny Saver Newspaper in Murrieta, California is seeking "loving, compassionate parents to provide a loving home" for illegal immigrant minors, according to a local reader of the publication.

Lisa Maloney Vinton, a Murrieta resident, provided Breitbart Texas with a purported copy of the advertisement, which was put up by the Crittenton Services and Foster Family Agency. It says, "Help heal the wounds ... for children in foster care programs including survivors of human trafficking and unaccompanied refugee minors."

Parents who offer up their homes could have a child placed in their home in "as short as 45 days" and be paid up to $6,054 per month, according to the advertisement.

If only I had the wisdom of Solomon.!!

I believe that we need well though out immigration laws that are enforced while leaving room for merciful judgement. If I were living in a crime ridden hell hole with my children suffering from poverty and/or gang activity, I would try to enter America by any method short of violence. The US would have a right to enforce it's reasonable laws to stop me from entering.
We do have laws allowing for refugee status and I would support review of at least the juvinile cases and accept those who met the refugee criteria.

Overpopulation in the US, according to demographers does not present a problem whereas the reduced birth rate does.We will not have enough young workers to support medicare and ss in the coming decades. It does not seem that the "too many people" argument works.

Glib, pat answers will not help . Reasoned legislation, enforcement and a bit of tolerance and mercy will. JMveryHO.

No, I do not think that the thoughts in the Lazarus poem have been revoked- just tested.

While this may be emotionally appealing and make some people "feel' better, the reality is an open borders policy will destroy the US. It's pretty easy to figure this out. There is a limit -- financially, culturally and politically.

My test would be, if one really feels strongly that anyone from anywhere should be able to come here (which means an infinite number) then start by having 5 or 6 illegal immigrants move into one's own home here in TV for 30 days. After that, we can discuss it further.

Actually, a high wall from TX to CA with barbed wire and a military presence that used force, when needed, to stop illegal entry would work quite well and solve the problem. Israel had major success when they finally built a wall that everyone said would never work ... guess what, it did work.