I agree that many think these children should be welcomed but I invite those people to take these children into their homes. It's easy to be judgemental when "it's not my problem". It will become our problem though because even if we do not invite them into our homes we will all be paying to house and feed them with our tax dollars. Honestly, who is going to shelter, feed and give love and emotional support and guidance to 90,000 needy children?

Your post is spot on ... it's amazing how no one in the USG has yet to make a strong diplomatic demand on Mexico to stop the transfer. We could do this if we had the will ... which we don't yet have and won't until it becomes even more of a mess.

Threaten economic sanctions, cancel aid to Mexico and, if that doesn't work, send the US military into Mexico and defend our border from the south side of the river. We are perceived as not being serious and no rational country in the world would be as dumb as we are about allowing unchecked immigration, and then giving away "free stuff." That's why they come here!

Once we are perceived as serious, and once people know consequences follow, the problem can be solved.

ps why do these illegals never sneak into the socialist paradises like Venezuela, Nicaragua or Bolivia??

It is all part of the agenda to increase the poor population of the USA. They have to import many thousands because it is taking longer for some of us to get poor enough to depend on the free stuff.

Just look around at what it is you do not like about what is going on. Then realize it has not hit you or your family yet so you are not invested in the problem....hence it is not a big deal yet!
Secondly just do a statistical analysis on the impact of the future population growth of all the illegals. Get ready legal Americans you are on your way to being the minority.

We are nose down on a flight to a third world, socialist society......and we the people are helping by keeping silent.....for now!

I really hope you are not literally correct, although without a doubt there is truth in what you post !

I have wondered aloud many times....why has the clamor and correspondence over the past THREE years to Washington DC been unanswered and totally non responsive ?

This is NOT a new problem at all, in anyway.

Again, I hope you are not correct, but there is a lot of evidence now that might support your case.

Granada Nicaragua is a very nice city. Spent a few weeks there a couple years ago. Actually, a lot Americans are retiring there.

Just try to sneek into another country.. See where you wind up .. Wake up america.............

Sounds like you have a soft spot in your heart for Nicaragua ... correct?

The kind of country that would shoot you or "make you disappear" or incarcerate you in dungeon-like conditions (think Iran) if you tried to sneak into their country is the kind of country you wouldn't want to live in period. You have to take some bad with the good here in the US. If they shot people trying to cross the border or threw them in jail forever, people would be up in arms, and rightly so.

The answer is... build something that will successfully defend the border. Spend the taxpayer's $ on something useful. If they can't get in, they'll stop trying.

That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

Google "retirement in Nicaragua" and look at all the positive things that are said by publications including Wall Street Journal.

Personally, I am staying in The Villages but plenty of other retirees are making the move.

Yes, I did that and am aware of it.

My opinion: if any American wants to retire to the socialist paradise of Nicaragua and bet their futures on the whims of Presidente Daniel Ortega, a hard core Sandinista / Leftie, and who abused his daughter sexually for years, be my guest.

There may also be some great real estate opportunities in Venezuela? Go for it.

Not bad...been suggested many times and rejected. (Unfortunetly not listened to until close to elections)

How about we enforce existing laws while we build that fence ?

Yes, as well as Guatemala, Honduras, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Costa Rica, Mexico, Argentina, Chili, Ecuador, Uruguay, Thailand, China, most of Europe, Canada, Turkey, Greece, Croatia, Slovenia, England, Fiji, Tahiti, and, yes, The Villages!

Interesting point; however, these children don't speak English, many are sick. How do you propose we educate, house, clothe, feed, nurture these children. There are children in this country without many of these advantages, but we are going to give these advantages to those that our breaking our laws?

I would like to hear from the supporters of the open border, send me your who ever and we will take them in and care for them crowd........why is the situation highlighted above OK?

How can we the people accept our government giving away billions to those who are being brought in illegally while our own needy/poor/in need Americans are not.

There is no outrageby we the people. It is what politicians ocunt on....no response to any adversity at home....plus they get re-elected to boot by the same :swear: people.

Too many with no skin in the game so what is done is OK as long as their life style is not affected......YET!

I would apply a merciful standard of basic humanity to those who were worthy of refugee status-With preference to unacompanied children.

The reason that this is such an issue is that all of us feel saddened and worried by unaccompanied children. WHO would do this to a child? What horrible game is this?

If you have been to Tegucigalpa, Honduras, you would understand.

What you describe was the basis for the law signed by President Bush in 2008, and only applied to those countries who are now flooding our border. Thus, the merciful standard you advocate was done and was put in place in 2008. It required that we insure these kids were in fact not victims.

There was no rush to the border by those countries in 2008, 2009, 2010 or 2011.

Then in 2012 we began to grant amnesty and the floodgates opened. People in those country's pay attention. The promise of amnesty wrapped in that 2008 law started the influx.

You must look at this current situation through that prism to really understand.

Down through the centuries, there are many parents who sent their children off unaccompanied because they feared for their lives or wanted to secure freedom for them--from people who put children on ships to America, to people who were trying to save their children's lives during World War II, to Cuba, and times in between--and now.

I don't think it's who would do this so much as why do they have to. I'm not saying we have to take them in. But I understand the anguish that would lead a parent to do this.

I think you mean proposed amnesty that is still being debated. Probably will not be resolved for another year or more. There was one large scale amnesty in 1986 that gave about 2.8 million illegal immigrants the opportunity to change their status through the Immigration and Reform Control Act (IRCA).

You won't find many bigger John Lennon fans than me, but the man was a naive idiot. he was a genius as far a making music went, but he was almost a nob-functional human being and was clueless when it came to politics.

I have to sing this song every so often and I'm almost embarrassed every time I have to do it. I don't know if I've ever read any thing so naive and short sighted.

these children and young adults are running away from areas in central America that are ruled by drug gangs who live off the drugs that americans (including some villagers) buy in great quantities. those drug gang areas are intolerable. if America would stop the drug habit and also help the Latin American countries with some economic aid to create jobs, the tide could turn. Meanwhile these people are human beings and must be given food and safe shelter until their immigration status can be resolved according to legal procedures set up by Congress

Like he said, he was a dreamer. Unfortunately, we have trouble getting along with people of similar race, religion and politics in this country let alone people of different backgrounds in other countries. Fortunately one can still dream and hope for change.

NO I MEAN AMNESTY GRANTED BY OUR PRESIDENT IN 2012 !

Not blanket amnesty, but amnesty for those of a young age.

From June 15, 2012

[B]"Today, Janet Napolitano, secretary of Homeland Security, announced immunity from deportation for illegal immigrants who were brought to the United States before they turned 16 and who are younger than 30 – among other criteria. They can apply for a two-year work permit that can be renewed

Lamar Smith: Obama's amnesty for illegal immigrants is against the law - CSMonitor.com

There is much discussion on this in media archives. Many felt it was illegal and timed for the election. I don't know, BUT AMNESTY WAS GRANTED and that amnesty began the flood. That fact is undeniable.

I suppose there is no relationship, but no border rush in 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 and it really began in August of 2012.

I am not being political but if you are to discuss immigration rush at the border you should discuss it with facts. These people were not promised, but viewed the action as an clear cut message.

Actually, I think that if you look at our immigration laws that are currently in place, you'll find that they are pretty much what you suggest. I think that the problem is that for various reasons, they are not being enforced.

You're answering your own questions, but i think that you have the answers wrong. Maybe these measures might not look good to some, but they'd look very good to others. And I personally believe that they would work.

No one thing or any system will be completely foolproof. Even with the measure that you point out in place some would still sneak in. But, these two simple measure would reduce the problem to a manageable level.

But then you suggest that we send money to corrupt governments as though you believe that that money would reach the the people who need it. Beside the fact that we are broke and in debt up to our ears, I can't imagine that sending money to any of these countries would help anything.

Take in children under a certain age? Yes, I could agree with that.

I agree with the point about Lennon's naïve idealism but I disagree that we have that much difficulty getting along with people of various races and religions. Nothing is perfect but the US beats most other countries in that regard from what I've seen.

instead of dreaming for hope and change, I dream instead for an outbreak of contagious common sense ... which seems to be in very short supply right now.

Rags is correct in identifying the source of the current catastrophe on the border. It's pretty obvious actually.

Cathy - yikes! Do you really think that this country does not send economic aid money to Central America?

Here's a little info re the money the US sends to Central America:
How much money does the U.S. give to Central America (general region)?

And look at what happens to the money when it gets there:
Latin America and the Caribbean | U.S. Agency for International Development

And wait until you see how much more money they are going to ask for when they meet with the President this Friday:
Honduras wants 'mini-Marshall plan' for U.S. aid on migrants | Reuters

Now re your comment "if America would stop the drug habit and also help the Latin American countries with some economic aid to create jobs, the tide could turn." That was Rev Al's talking point all day long last Friday. Do you really think that the US is the only country where residents have a drug habit?

Cathy, if the families of these unaccompanied children could spend the thousands of dollars to the smugglers to bring the children across our border - why could they not spend it to improve their lives where they live? And if your referral to 'legal procedures set up by Congress' is a reference to the William Wilburforce legislation - remember the purpose of that act was to protect the children who are victims of human trafficking and not victims of poverty.

Or instead of sitting around dream and hoping, we can take actions to improve the world.

People in different parts of the world sometimes have trouble getting along with each other. Sometimes bad people get themselves into power positions in some countries. Does anyone actually believe that by eliminating borders and countries that these bad people would suddenly stop trying to take over? Who would there be to counteract evil in the world?

We have people who believe that it is their job to convince everyone else that they must believe in their idea of God. Do you think that there is any chance of that ever stopping?

Imagine no possessions? Yea, of course everyone would just get along and starve rather than claiming to own something. Anyone who wants can just come and live in your house because it's not your house.

Does anyone ever read these words and realize how absurd they are?

Like I said, take John away from music and he's basically a moron.

I think we could use some improvement in the US as well. There are 58 hate groups in Florida according to the Southern Poverty Law Center. Examples are the Aryan Nation and the New Black Panther Party. I wonder how those two would get along? I think a little higher goal setting and improvement would be appropriate for the US.

Could you explain your posts on this thread in one sentence? Somehow I am not understanding.

Really? There are 58 groups? Can we make it 59? I don't like loud, crude and common people who seem to be unable to mind their own business.

I wish I....no, I wish the people in power, had the answers. If they could honestly work together on a humane, common sense way to address this deplorable situation instead of using it as a political wedge we might finally get it (mostly) solved. Of course that goes for almost every issue confronting us today, and I see no end in sight.

Good start...


1. Enforce EXISTING LAWS !!!

2. Rescind the amenisty of 2012

Hard to talk until that gets done, in my humble opinion

Editing to add only because it is very important....besides the two above...

3. Edit the misused law of 2008 which was passed for humanatarian reasons in some way to get rid of the built in incentive.

Not to my knowledge, but it is a splendid idea.

I take it your ancestry is 100% native American.

Times change.

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Depending on whose ox is being gored?

If some of you think we are doing the "compassionate" thing for these children, I highly encourage you Google search images of these children and see the deplorable conditions they are currently being housed. Truly a sad situation and we should be ashamed. These are children ranging in age from 5 to 17.