Traffic control on Morse
 

Yesterday 20 speeding tickets were issued on Morse north of 466. 3 were issued to golf carts. :coolsmiley:

Book 'em Danno. Best way to keep us all safe.

Excellent!!!! :police:

Evidently the unruly crowd at the Sumter County commissioners meeting Tuesday night got somebody's attention.

I read the article about the meeting. It does seem like cars race up and down Morse. There were emergency vehicles at the north end morse roundabout this morning but I don't what happened.

I drive in the area of Morse and 466 very often. I very seldom see people speeding. I generally set my speed control at around 30 mph, occasionally a bit over, but never more than 35 and I almost never have people on my tail. In fact, I often have to slow down because people in front of me are going slower.

I also drive in area quite a bit in my golf cart. I admit that my cart will do a bit over 20 mph but it depends on whether it's going up hill or downhill.

Is there a speed limit for golf carts?

I believe the speeding is mainly when the snowbirds are gone. I see more of it on the side streets. If it's not the speeding it's the running of stop signs when they turn right. Most never even look to their left and I wonder how they are still alive. It is very fortunate there are very, very few children in the villages the way most drive.

The speed limit on golf carts on streets is 20 mph. Please do not come back and post 19.9.

If the cart is clocked over 20 mph, you could be subject to all sorts of fines.

golf cart speed limit is 20 mph unless otherwise posted less as with all traffic.

a speeding ticket on a golf cart with all the add ons & required remediation can get close to $1000.00

That's not how I understand it. As far as I know a cart that goes over 20 mph is classified as a Low Speed Vehicle. Carts that go under 20 are golf cart. But I've never seen an actual speed limit for golf carts posted any where.

I can take a legal cart to the top of a hill in my neighborhood, out in neutral and I'll be doing over 20 mph by the time I reach the bottom of the hill. That doesn't mean that the cart needs to be categorized as an LSL.

Often when I going along at 20, I'll hit a little down hill grade and get up to 23 or 24 mph. Again, I have not seen any speed limits posted for golf carts.

Do you know if that's posted somewhere, Don?

I see signs that say the speed limit is 20 mph unless otherwise posted, but I have never seen anything that says anything about golf cart speed limits.

Definition of golf cart is the key phrase...
 

Dr,

Instead of looking at all the statutes, here is a nice summary.

Florida Law

Their has been a min of 500 threads about the legal speed limit for non "street legal" golf carts on TOTV.

Are their posted speed limit signs for golf carts? I admit I have never seen or noticed one. Is their state statute on the max speed for a non "street legal" golf cart? Most dif yes and it is 20mph (some would argue that actually means 19.9)

If you are caught driving a non street legal golf cart over 20mph will you be given a ticket for speeding? NO! You will however be given a ticket for "operating an unregistered vehicle". Between the fine, court costs and what manner you choose to bring your cart into compliance (you either have to have it certified as being governed to < 20mph or make it "street legal") .... this will cost you many hundreds of dollars.

If a Golf Cart is clocked going over 19.9, it is no longer a LSV-the tickets will be for the following

1)having an unregistered vehicle
2)having an uninsured vehicle
3)having non compliant vehicle(emissions, windshield wipers, brakes,etc)
4) speeding

and finally getting the speed recertified @ 19.9 mph

also if your driving privileges are currently suspended or revoked you cannot drive any motor vehicle & a golf cart & a LSV are both
classified as a motor vehicle

LSVs and Golf Carts are not the same under the law. I wish someone could give me a reference for this 19.9 nonsense.

By Florida Statute, an LSV has a speed limitation of 25 MPH and a golf cart has a speed limitation of 20 MPH.

The police should keep a dedicated force to do nothing but watch for moving violations in TV. The force will easily pay for itself.

The more tickets and the higher the cost the better.

At some point TV will gain a reputation for strict traffic violation enforcement and everybody will respond according.

Just like we all do when we get to those little towns where we KNOW if you go one mile over the speed limit you will get a ticket.

Congrats to the increased enforcement and let's be good itizens and call and thank the appropriate law enforcement office and offer words to keep up the good work.

From the link that you posted:

Because they have not designated that the 20 mph is on level ground or have mentioned wind conditions, every golf cart in The Villages is illegal. As I have pointed out, they are all capable of going over 20 mph down hill.

Again, as far as I know there are no speed limits for golf carts.

If I have a cart set up to go a maximum of 18 mph on level ground with no wind and I am driving on a steep downhill and the cart gets up to 24 mph, can I be cited for exceeding the speed limit which doesn't exist? Can I be cited for having an unregistered vehicle since the fact that my cart was going 24 downhill demonstrates that it is capable of going over 20 mph?

Whoever wrote these laws was either not thinking or intentionally made them so nebulous that the police can cite you for almost anything.

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow::bigbow:

About time

My electric cart computer allows for a max speed of 19.5 mph. In reality, it goes about 18 MPH. I have notice my cart slows down when going downhill, as if it has some sort of governor attached.

I can honestly say I very rarely take a trip in my golf cart and someone doesn't pass me going above 20 MPH. In some case way over the 20 MPH speed limit.

I personally take comfort in knowing I can never get a speeding ticket in my golf cart.

BTW - Some people think "stop signs" are suggestions, and have seen many people go thru them. Sometimes, without even making an attempt, to stop. Police will give you a ticket for what is considered a "rolling stop". That's when you wheels are still moving going thru a stop sign, but not a full stop.

I'm sure that many tickets are issued to cars than golf carts, but they is a large amount of people who have carts, that consistently exceed the speed limit. IMHO

I wonder what some people do with the couple of minutes they save after speeding to a location. Probably relax from the strain of looking over their shoulder and not getting caught.

Wouldn't it be easier to leave a few minutes earlier? :D

Just sayin.............

Persons over the age of 14 who do not otherwise have driving privileges are allowed to drive golf carts on designated county and municipal roads. How can driving privileges that do not exist be revoked?

I have never found an answer to this question. Many of the old Club Carts are series carts which roll freely. Common sense says you should not be cited, but if radar is setup at the bottom of a hill, my opinion will not matter... a inexpensive speedometer will save that confusion.

There is a 10 mph limit on part of Avienda although I've never seen it enforced. I can swear there are a couple 15 mph limits but I don't remember where.

10mph over the bridge at Lake Sumter

Glad to see that enforcement is actually happening. Now that we are on the subject of Morse Blvd, it should be noted that this one street has two of the most hazardous locations for golf cart traffic. Everyone knows about the crossover at Morse and 466, a situation made for disasters. Also, does anyone agree that the Morse traffic circle at 441 is very dangerous for golf carts that have to go either 1/2 or 3/4 around it to get to their exit cart path. Another disaster waiting to happen.

How many of you goodie-two-shoes exceed the 10 mph speed limit over the Sumter Landing bridge? If you celebrate someone getting a ticket for going 21 mph down Morse blvd., you have some serious issues.

Are you talking about Cars or Golf Carts. The golf cart lanes on the bridge are so narrow that someone is bound to be killed there eventually. And by the way, why would anyone be ticketed for going 21 on a road whose speed limit is higher than that. OH, you mean golf carts whose max speed limit on public streets is 20 mph. Golf cart going 21 mph is like a car going 40 in a 35 mph zone. Both should be ticketed.

The only problem I've had at the crossover is cars punching the gas to pass me when I signal to move over and they were at least 400 feet back or more and they blast the horn and salute me. Cars going around the roundabout don't signal they are cutting right and turn at the last second.

My golly, Doc! Doesn't your cart have brakes to keep it from exceeding 20mph on the downhill or anywhere else?

Do you coast down West Boone or St. Andrews or Mark in your car without applying the brakes?

I don't know about Doc's cart but I took off my old brakes yesterday. The new ones will be in saturday or so.

I have problem with your math 21 vs. 20, 1 mph over. 35 vs 40, 5 mph over. Big strength. I would think Officer would allow for Calibration of equipment (both the radar devise and the Speedometer on Governed Golf cart set at 20 MPH) before he would write ticket 1 MPH over the speed limit. No comparison 35 vs 40. Bad Comparison IMO.

My golf cart is governed at 20 MPH and has speedometer. depending on the ground level, un-level, or the wind the speed varies between 19.4 MPH to 20.4 MPH. I get passed maybe 20 present of the time.

Your math needs to learn percentages!

Amen to that.

Interesting. I was just driving in my golf cart in that area. I went from the Del Mar gate on Avenida Central down Del Mar. About 300 before you get to Rio Grande there is an upgrade. About 150 yards later you reach the top and immediately begin going downhill.
I was following a cart that was going under 20 mph. When I got to the uphill section, I stepped floored it to get up the hill. I got up to just under 20 mph. As soon as I began going downhill, I took my foot completely off the accelerator. Within a few seconds, I was going 22 mph. I applied the brake until I got back down to 20. According to some people, I should have been ticketed.

As I was coming back from LSL I kept me speed under 20 being aware of what's going on down there. As I was approaching the intersection where Mr Hughes was killed. I noticed flashing red and blue lights. I came over a hill and a motorcycle cop had some poor guy pulled over and was ticketing him.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. As you approach that area of Morse heading north, you begin a downhill grade. The cops wait at the bottom of that grade to catch these dangerous drivers.

What a joke. An 85 year old man makes a huge mistake. A bunch of over zealous people go and complain and the county decides that they will go harass a bunch of people for a few days and make a few bucks in the process.

34 mph in a 30 mph zone and 20 mph golf carts reaching 22 or 23 is not the problem. The problem is people, or in this case, a person, making bad decisions.

:bigbow:

It's less expensive to urge the police to do the job they're paid to do than to talk about adding tunnels, stop signs, speed bumps, speed limit signs, etc.

A very short article in the on-line news says they normally write one ticket a day in that area. Yesterday they wrote 20 to placate the unruly crowd of a few hundred that showed up at the Sumter County Commissioner's meeting Tuesday night. They also presented the commissioners with a petition containing 1000 names.

We'll see how long this stepped up enforcement lasts.

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Were the golf carts street legal(25 mph limit) on Morse or were the carts traveling on the cart path(20 mph)?

At the meeting Police presence was asked for. Now you have Police presence. Are you really gonna complain because they are now there and doing their job??? Lets hope they stay and nab a whole bunch more.

Where do people come up with the 19.9 mph? The law says 20 mph. Also you have the terms wrong. A LSV is allowed to go 25 mph and is street legal. A golf cart is limited to 20 mph and can only travel on roads with a 30 mph speed limit or less.

Well said Doc, thanks.