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VillageLiberal 06-02-2020 11:05 PM

Peaceful Protests for George Floyd and to end Police Brutality
 
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The following peaceful Protests will be held in close proximity to the Villages over the next several days. As a great President once said "There is nothing to fear but fear itself". Hope to see you there.

JimJohnson 06-03-2020 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by VillageLiberal (Post 1776228)
The following peaceful Protests will be held in close proximity to the Villages over the next several days. As a great President once said "There is nothing to fear but fear itself". Hope to see you there.

In the 60’s I believed I would see an end to racial discrimination in my lifetime. We were getting close, then in 2017 I began to see this issue slow down, and now it is going back to the 60’s. I will be there.:pray:

Dgizzi 06-03-2020 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by VillageLiberal (Post 1776228)
The following peaceful Protests will be held in close proximity to the Villages over the next several days. As a great President once said "There is nothing to fear but fear itself". Hope to see you there.

Thank You for the warning. I will make sure I stay in my home. Cause there is no such THING as a “peaceful” protest. Not in this day and age.

Dgizzi 06-03-2020 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by VillageLiberal (Post 1776228)
The following peaceful Protests will be held in close proximity to the Villages over the next several days. As a great President once said "There is nothing to fear but fear itself". Hope to see you there.

And you shouldn’t blame all Police I find it offensive to bully my policemen and women. It isn’t their fault this happened so why punish them? It didn’t happen here. And the policemen is getting charged. Justice is happening why do you have to continue to protest?

golfing eagles 06-03-2020 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by VillageLiberal (Post 1776228)
The following peaceful Protests will be held in close proximity to the Villages over the next several days. As a great President once said "There is nothing to fear but fear itself". Hope to see you there.

That's fine with me. As long as they remain "peaceful". We'll see.

Dgizzi 06-03-2020 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1776237)
That's fine with me. As long as they remain "peaceful". We'll see.

I haven’t seen a peaceful one yet..nothing good comes out of protesting.

JimJohnson 06-03-2020 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dgizzi (Post 1776236)
And you shouldn’t blame all Police I find it offensive to bully my policemen and women. It isn’t their fault this happened so why punish them? It didn’t happen here. And the policemen is getting charged. Justice is happening why do you have to continue to protest?

The issue for most Americans is that the 4 police officers involved in the death, should be charged. No one is blaming all police. Also, it DID HAPPEN HERE. This is the United States of America.

JimJohnson 06-03-2020 05:16 AM

I believe that without the right to protest, this would be a bad country to live in.

Stu from NYC 06-03-2020 06:04 AM

Nothing wrong with a protest as long as it stays peaceful

golfing eagles 06-03-2020 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dgizzi (Post 1776244)
I haven’t seen a peaceful one yet..nothing good comes out of protesting.

There are peaceful protests, and there's nothing wrong with that. The problem isn't the local protesters, it's the professional agitators sent in by Soros, BLM, ANTIFA, Jackson and Sharpton that cause the problems. And before CNM jumps in, Neonazis, skinheads, and the KKK cause the same problems.

Bay Kid 06-03-2020 06:51 AM

Protest! Close down businesses while you protest. Don't these people ever work? Oh, some are getting paid.

golfing eagles 06-03-2020 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1776339)
Protest! Close down businesses while you protest. Don't these people ever work? Oh, some are getting paid.

And to add insult to injury, WE are the ones paying them

Viperguy 06-03-2020 06:59 AM

So how many innocent police officers have been injured or killed since this thing got started? Think they will receive any justice? Just sayin.

ColdNoMore 06-03-2020 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by VillageLiberal (Post 1776228)
The following peaceful Protests will be held in close proximity to the Villages over the next several days. As a great President once said "There is nothing to fear but fear itself". Hope to see you there.

:thumbup:...:thumbup:...:thumbup:


Given that many studies have shown that in general, the younger generations are a lot less racist, bigoted, xenophobic and misogynistic than the large numbers of old white folks, who will be dying out in coming years...there's still hope for this country. :ho:

amexsbow 06-03-2020 07:17 AM

Was anyone present during the protests of the two police officers who were assassinated in New York? What about when the 48 police officers killed in 2019? NO? That's because there was not protest. What about the looting that took place? What no looting? I'm just saying...

JimJohnson 06-03-2020 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by amexsbow (Post 1776366)
Was anyone present during the protests of the two police officers who were assassinated in New York? What about when the 48 police officers killed in 2019? NO? That's because there was not protest. What about the looting that took place? What no looting? I'm just saying...

Like the Military, it’s a dangerous job.

VillageLiberal 06-03-2020 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dgizzi (Post 1776244)
I haven’t seen a peaceful one yet..nothing good comes out of protesting.

Does your statement include the recent protests to reopen Michigan or just the protests to stop the killing of unarmed people by law enforcement? Inquiring minds want to know.

ColdNoMore 06-03-2020 08:48 AM

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Does your statement include the recent protests to reopen Michigan or just the protests to stop the killing of unarmed people by law enforcement? Inquiring minds want to know.


You just don't understand. (facetious emoji inserted here)

The danger comes from those carrying signs and wearing masks, not those Rambo wannabe's, in camo with assault rifles/ammo belts strapped on, often screaming in the cops faces...without masks.
:oops:

John41 06-03-2020 09:16 AM

Floyd had a criminal record for drug dealing and armed robbery including robbing a pregnant woman by sticking a gun in her stomach. If he hadn’t resumed his criminal career when he got out of jail, he wouldn’t have been stopped by the police and gotten himself killed resisting arrest. The officer used a lawful control technique to restrain Floyd and should not be prosecuted. More blacks die shooting each other in Chicago everyday that by all the police in a year.

kcrazorbackfan 06-03-2020 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dgizzi (Post 1776236)
And you shouldn’t blame all Police I find it offensive to bully my policemen and women. It isn’t their fault this happened so why punish them? It didn’t happen here. And the policemen is getting charged. Justice is happening why do you have to continue to protest?

Thank you for the support of the good Police Officers in America.

And for those of you that DO NOT SUPPORT Law Enforcement, or think all of them are bad, there will be a instance in your life where you’ll need the Police and when that time comes, go %#*^ yourself.

graciegirl 06-03-2020 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1776466)

You just don't understand. (facetious emoji inserted here)

The danger comes from those carrying signs and wearing masks, not those Rambo wannabe's, in camo with assault rifles/ammo belts strapped on, often screaming in the cops faces...without masks.
:oops:

A lot goes on that we law abiding people never see. Our police need to have available some mighty strong measures when a person is resisting arrest.

Sometimes angry and strong people who do not want to be arrested are unbelievably hard to restrain. Here you see one biting a police officer;

Bodycam Footage Shows Man Fighting And Biting Police Officers - YouTube




Bodycam Footage Shows Man Fighting And Biting Police Officers - YouTube

ColdNoMore 06-03-2020 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1776510)
A lot goes on that we law abiding people never see. Our police need to have available some mighty strong measures when a person is resisting arrest.

Sometimes angry and strong people who do not want to be arrested are unbelievably hard to restrain. Here you see one biting a police officer;


Bodycam Footage Shows Man Fighting And Biting Police Officers - YouTube

Bodycam Footage Shows Man Fighting And Biting Police Officers - YouTube

The continued attempt to passive-aggressively try to blame the man who was murdered in front of our own eyes, by bringing up things that did not exist in this incident...are well noted by now. :oops:

GoodLife 06-03-2020 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1776466)

You just don't understand. (facetious emoji inserted here)

The danger comes from those carrying signs and wearing masks, not those Rambo wannabe's, in camo with assault rifles/ammo belts strapped on, often screaming in the cops faces...without masks.
:oops:

I don't recall the Rambo wannabes injuring or killing any cops, looting stores, burning down buildings etc but other than that you've produced an outstanding false equivalence.

GoodLife 06-03-2020 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1776377)
Like the Military, it’s a dangerous job.

So is leading a life of crime.

graciegirl 06-03-2020 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1776542)
No one should be forced to support...prejudiced and/or racist cops.

There's a member still posting here, claiming to be a retired LEO (not you) who when he thought names didn't show in the old Political Forum...made an outrageously racist post regarding black children.

Once he realized that his user name WAS visible, he ran like a scared little rabbit...and didn't post in that forum again.

And yet, it gave us an excellent insight into at least one cop...and his view regarding race.

I was personally so outraged, I can provide both the post and the user name...if you so want.

And are we supposed to believe that he is the only LEO...with those abhorrent and disgusting views?

Are we supposed to also support those people...simply because they are law enforcement officers?

I absolutely support and give my utmost admiration to the vast majority of those who truly "protect & serve" everyone, but have absolutely no use for those who don't think everyone deserves the same treatment...nor the ones who stay silent or support those that are scum.


WHOA. I am supporting good and hardworking and fair Law enforcement officers. Why don't you see I am trying to show people that there are many who do not use any force unfairly. In drug areas and those of high crime there are many people who do NOT
want to get arrested and they will fight and run. I think that the holding down of people on the face and neck is necessary at times.

We ARE allowed to see GOOD in people. We do not need you or anyone to be our spiritual guide.

Keeping on with the idea that those who support Law Enforcement are passive aggressive is certainly not the case with most people who do. We see with our own eyes how brave most police officers are and how they could use a pay boost, most of them.

CAN you not see that there are thousands of police officers who are not like the one you are talking about. That isn't passive aggressive to speak of them. It hurts them and diminishes them to be thought to be cruel and unfair to people. It is wrong to think all in the group are like the ones in the group you don't like.

You have lived in places apparently that many of us have not lived and must have a different life experience from many of us. I told a police officer that lived next door in Hadley that we had lived in a fairly decent sized area just outside Cincinnati, and we had had one murder in twenty-five years. He didn't believe me. He said I just wasn't aware. He really didn't believe me. He had lived his life just outside NYC. I was accurate and truthful.

Bucco 06-03-2020 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1776553)
WHOA. I am supporting good and hardworking and fair Law enforcement officers. Why don't you see I am trying to show people that there are many who do not use any force unfairly. In drug areas and those of high crime there are many people who do NOT
want to get arrested and they will fight and run. I think that the holding down of people on the face and neck is necessary at times.

We ARE allowed to see GOOD in people. We do not need you or anyone to be our spiritual guide.

Keeping on with the idea that those who support Law Enforcement are passive aggressive is certainly not the case with most people who do. We see with our own eyes how brave most police officers are and how they could use a pay boost, most of them.

CAN you not see that there are thousands of police officers who are not like the one you are talking about. That isn't passive aggressive to speak of them. It hurts them and diminishes them to be thought to be cruel and unfair to people. It is wrong to think all in the group are like the ones in the group you don't like.

You have lived in places apparently that many of us have not lived and must have a different life experience from many of us. I told a police officer that lived next door in Hadley that we had lived in a fairly decent sized area just outside Cincinnati, and we had had one murder in twenty-five years. He didn't believe me. He said I just wasn't aware. He really didn't believe me. He had lived his life just outside NYC. I was accurate and truthful.

I wish those who want to discuss this situation would stop with the defense of police officers. THAT IS NOT THE CASE...I BELIEVE EVERYONE KNOWS HOW TOUGH THAT JOB IS AND RESPECTS WHAT THEY HAVE ON THEIR PLATE..THEY NEED NO DEFENSE AND FRANKLY I HAVE NEVER READ OR HEARD ANY....ANY CRITICISM OF THE POLICE IN GENERAL.

I realize you will blame me and my mindset, but each and every time something like this happens, at lease on this forum, we begin all the good things that police have done and relive the lives of the other guys as we dig for any dirt we can find.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS LISTEN.......the demonstrations, and again.....NOBODY LIKE THE LOOTING....but the demonstrations are to get attention to what is being said. Yes, the outside groups trying to use the demonstations and derail what is actually being said show up...the white supremicists etc. And it appears we pay more attention to them. It is like folks are simply deaf to the message. I read demeaning comments that are knee jerk reactions....they do not even know why the demonstrations and I suppose those who never have to worry about wearing a hoodie, jogging, etc because they have a black skin, simply pass this off.

Why are we not discussing the ongoing situation in our neighborhood and what might be done about it. Why are we not discussing why anyone with black skin is afraid to go out in a hoodie...see the Savannah story where a man out jogging was shot to death. It was because he was black.

Should not the injustice be discussed and LISTENED TO....we are spending our time simply talking instead of even understanding what these protests are about. We spend our time threatening....talking tough in stead of listening and trying to understand.

Every poster on here feigns understanding and if they post, you can be assured it will be about criticizing the police in general (NOT THE CASE), or will have a "BUT" and an addition about taking military force to Americans (not all for sure). Reading today that it is proposed to put tanks in the street......those folks are not listening, simply playing strong guy. Shallow thinking is not going to put this country back together.

npwalters 06-03-2020 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1776362)
:thumbup:...:thumbup:...:thumbup:


Given that many studies have shown that in general, the younger generations are a lot less racist, bigoted, xenophobic and misogynistic than the large numbers of old white folks, who will be dying out in coming years...there's still hope for this country. :ho:

each generation becomes more conservative as they age (in terms of percentage of the population) because they have experienced more of life as it actually is versus how they imagined it would be.

JimJohnson 06-03-2020 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1776524)
The continued attempt to passive-aggressively try to blame the man who was murdered in front of our own eyes, by bringing up things that did not exist in this incident...are well noted by now. :oops:

Don’t waste your breath. It was murder....

fdpaq0580 06-03-2020 12:58 PM

I like your post.
 
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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1776589)
I wish those who want to discuss this situation would stop with the defense of police officers. THAT IS NOT THE CASE...I BELIEVE EVERYONE KNOWS HOW TOUGH THAT JOB IS AND RESPECTS WHAT THEY HAVE ON THEIR PLATE..THEY NEED NO DEFENSE AND FRANKLY I HAVE NEVER READ OR HEARD ANY....ANY CRITICISM OF THE POLICE IN GENERAL.

I realize you will blame me and my mindset, but each and every time something like this happens, at lease on this forum, we begin all the good things that police have done and relive the lives of the other guys as we dig for any dirt we can find.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS LISTEN.......the demonstrations, and again.....NOBODY LIKE THE LOOTING....but the demonstrations are to get attention to what is being said. Yes, the outside groups trying to use the demonstations and derail what is actually being said show up...the white supremicists etc. And it appears we pay more attention to them. It is like folks are simply deaf to the message. I read demeaning comments that are knee jerk reactions....they do not even know why the demonstrations and I suppose those who never have to worry about wearing a hoodie, jogging, etc because they have a black skin, simply pass this off.

Why are we not discussing the ongoing situation in our neighborhood and what might be done about it. Why are we not discussing why anyone with black skin is afraid to go out in a hoodie...see the Savannah story where a man out jogging was shot to death. It was because he was black.

Should not the injustice be discussed and LISTENED TO....we are spending our time simply talking instead of even understanding what these protests are about. We spend our time threatening....talking tough in stead of listening and trying to understand.

Every poster on here feigns understanding and if they post, you can be assured it will be about criticizing the police in general (NOT THE CASE), or will have a "BUT" and an addition about taking military force to Americans (not all for sure). Reading today that it is proposed to put tanks in the street......those folks are not listening, simply playing strong guy. Shallow thinking is not going to put this country back together.

I like your post. I like that you try to state your view as clearly and concisely as possible. I think much of what you say has merit. For example, the need to listen. I sometimes thInk folks are preparing their rebuttal before they really digest what someone was trying to convey. I also suspect some attempt to read between the lines and end up writing between the lines. Blog posts, tweets, sound bites, seldom tell the whole story and many people who are really on the same side end up bickering because of differences in manner of expression.
After several days of reading, viewing, here is some of my take-aways.
A man is dead. Justice for Mr. Floyd is too late. Justice for those involved in his death remains to be seen.
The demonstrations proclaiming justice for George Floyd won't restore his life, so it is not really about him, it is about social injustice. Peaceful protest draws positive attention to the need to continue to address the problem of social injustice. Rioting and looting, violence and mayhem draws negative attention and is harmful and regressive in dealing with the issue of social injustice. Riots and looting is often a tool of hate groups that want to divide us. Mr. Floyd deserves to be quietly mourned by those who loved him and not be made a spectacle of by those who never knew him but are more than willing to hijack this tragedy for their own agendas. Lastly, the discussion of social injustice needs to go forward, people need to listen and try to understand all points of view before we can step into a better future side by side, hand in hand, leaving bitterness and hatred in the past where it belongs.

Windguy 06-03-2020 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by amexsbow (Post 1776366)
Was anyone present during the protests of the two police officers who were assassinated in New York? What about when the 48 police officers killed in 2019? NO? That's because there was not protest. What about the looting that took place? What no looting? I'm just saying...

Don't you realize you are comparing apples and oranges? You don't protest against individuals or criminal gangs. You protest to get the government or other institutions to change their ways. Did the government kill those police officers? Um, no. But, that doesn't matter to you, anyway.

Windguy 06-03-2020 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 1776505)
Thank you for the support of the good Police Officers in America.

And for those of you that DO NOT SUPPORT Law Enforcement, or think all of them are bad, there will be a instance in your life where you’ll need the Police and when that time comes, go %#*^ yourself.

I think I can guarantee you that virtually no one thinks all police officers are bad. There are a few bad ones, but, unfortunately, they are protected by the institutions and often get nothing more than a slap on the wrist for murder.

Windguy 06-03-2020 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1776546)
I don't recall the Rambo wannabes injuring or killing any cops, looting stores, burning down buildings etc but other than that you've produced an outstanding false equivalence.

Yeah, and they weren't protesting anything like murderous cops that go free. They were complaining that they couldn't have a beer at the bar and other minor things.

Windguy 06-03-2020 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1776549)
So is leading a life of crime.

If only it were only criminals who are brutalized by racist cops. Becoming a cop is a choice and they know what they are getting into beforehand. Being born with black skin is not a choice. MANY decent, law-abiding, productive black people have been harassed by racist cops for merely having black skin.

Would you want to trade places with them? I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to have a panic attack because I fear I might die every time I see flashing lights coming up behind me when I'm in my car. Oh, no! Is a tail light out? I hope this guy doesn't kill me. That's what black people deal with every day of their lives. Do you?

Show a little sympathy for people less fortunate than you.

Windguy 06-03-2020 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1776553)
CAN you not see that there are thousands of police officers who are not like the one you are talking about. That isn't passive aggressive to speak of them. It hurts them and diminishes them to be thought to be cruel and unfair to people. It is wrong to think all in the group are like the ones in the group you don't like.

Well, then why don't the good ones demand that the violent racists be punished for what they do? If they think they are being diminished, then they damn well better do something about it.

Windguy 06-03-2020 01:59 PM

I'd like to tell a true story.

When I first came to TV, the neighborhood men got together once a month for lunch and invited someone to come speak. It was a sheriff's deputy one month. He suggested we call the Sheriff's Office to request a free safety assessment of our houses. I did and a deputy came to my house. He showed me some things I could do to make it more difficult for someone to break into my house.

After that, he warned me to stay east of the railroad tracks in Wildwood because people were dangerous on the other side. He then said, and I quote verbatim, "Now don't get me wrong, I don't think ALL minorities are bad." There is no doubt in my mind that he was as racist as they get.

How would you like to be one of the (I'm sure) many good people living west of 301 knowing this racist was walking around with a gun and a hatred for them?

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think ALL cops are bad. ;-)

But there sure seem to be a lot of them here in central Florida. :-(

daveersk 06-03-2020 02:23 PM

Law Enforcement is the glue that holds our country together.

When I see disrespect for ALL Law Enforcement, It makes me sad & anxious for the country.

Every group of people have rotten apples, this is what occurred with this case.

It’s extremely disheartening to see the total disrespect for ALL Law Enforcement.

Remember:
Most likely someday you’ll need Law Enforcement in some capacity.

God Bless America!

ColdNoMore 06-03-2020 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Windguy (Post 1776673)
I'd like to tell a true story.

When I first came to TV, the neighborhood men got together once a month for lunch and invited someone to come speak. It was a sheriff's deputy one month. He suggested we call the Sheriff's Office to request a free safety assessment of our houses. I did and a deputy came to my house. He showed me some things I could do to make it more difficult for someone to break into my house.

After that, he warned me to stay east of the railroad tracks in Wildwood because people were dangerous on the other side. He then said, and I quote verbatim, "Now don't get me wrong, I don't think ALL minorities are bad." There is no doubt in my mind that he was as racist as they get.

How would you like to be one of the (I'm sure) many good people living west of 301 knowing this racist was walking around with a gun and a hatred for them?

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think ALL cops are bad. ;-)

But there sure seem to be a lot of them here in central Florida.
:-(

YEP!:(

Just down the street...not that long go (2014).


Fruitland Park KKK Cops Fired (put robe on here)

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Ann Hunnewell and her central Florida police officer husband knelt in the living room of a fellow officer's home, with pillow cases as makeshift hoods over their heads. A few words were spoken and they, along with a half-dozen others, were initiated into the local chapter of the Ku Klux Klan, she says.

Last week, that initiation ceremony, which took place five years ago, stunned residents of the small town of Fruitland Park, who found out an investigative report linked two city officers with the secret hate society that once was violently active in the area. Ann Hunnewell's ex-husband, George Hunnewell, was fired, and deputy chief David Borst resigned from the 13-member Fruitland Park Police Department. Borst has denied being a member.

James Elkins, a third officer who Ann Hunnewell says recruited her and her husband, resigned in 2010 after his Klan ties became public.


ColdNoMore 06-03-2020 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Windguy (Post 1776664)
Well, then why don't the good ones demand that the violent racists be punished for what they do? If they think they are being diminished, then they damn well better do something about it.


Exactly.

Silence is complicity.

John_W 06-03-2020 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by daveersk (Post 1776682)
Law Enforcement is the glue that holds our country together.

When I see disrespect for ALL Law Enforcement, It makes me sad & anxious for the country.

Every group of people have rotten apples, this is what occurred with this case.

It’s extremely disheartening to see the total disrespect for ALL Law Enforcement.


Remember:
Most likely someday you’ll need Law Enforcement in some capacity.

God Bless America!

No one could of said all that any better. That's what these young people don't seem to get, that one day, someday, it will happen, they're going to have to call 911.

Velvet 06-03-2020 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1776362)
:thumbup:...:thumbup:...:thumbup:


Given that many studies have shown that in general, the younger generations are a lot less racist, bigoted, xenophobic and misogynistic than the large numbers of old white folks, who will be dying out in coming years...there's still hope for this country. :ho:

Well WE were supposed to be that way among the flower children in the 60’s and 70’s. What happened?


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