A "Voting Fraud" Thread
 

Hey you'll, this discussion doesn't have to be "political", so let's not make this about one party or another. Do not mention the "D" word or "R" word, nor the "B" word or the "T" word.

Because, doing so will get this thread deleted.

This is about our political process, defined by the Constitution of the United States with a preamble

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Please read this twice (or more). Pay particular attention to the concepts enumerated within the parentheses.

With that in mind, let's discuss voter fraud.

You first.

People should have to submit proof of identity in order to vote.

I believe voter fraud pretty much will never be eradicated. Who controls the standard to ensure only one form is certified for use by every state across the board produced and distributed by only one federally approved contractor?

Is it o.k. to say I am frustrated and depressed? I am.

Laugh, don't cry.

GG, you just got me to laughing, and then I looked at your tag line -- well done!

On the scale needed to influence the outcome of an election, negligible.
It is a myth.
Where is the slightest evidence, apart from allegation?

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...even tho I was a strong supporter of one candidate, I simply cannot believe that some states can inhibit independent Poll "Watchers" to monitor the vote counting. We all know that each state has its own laws re elections - many can easily be subject to "cheating and fraud". In this country, one would think/hope/believe that we would have an honest vote counting and reporting. Some evidence indicates this may not be the case, especially in some states. Certainly hope that all this can be worked out, even in courts if needed.

Hopefully this won't be a terribly extended final result resolution.

In the end my attitude is "It Is What It Is". Life is too short, and not worth it to harbor excessive hate or worry.

I plan to put out my American flag - either way. We must be strong.
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If you are a U.S. citizen, you should be required to prove it with a national ID card issued by the Federal Government. Without that, we will continue to have voter fraud and other fraud related to citizenship benefits.

If there were voter fraud, then I would expect the same party to prevail for the President, Senate, and House. Votes are still being counted as I type this, but the above does not appear to be the case.

Also, why is there only alleged fraud in the states with close races? I find this suspicious.

Finally, this issue appears to inspire an emotional response rather than a reasoned one. I have read many passionate accusations, but none of those have provided proof for the accusation.

Where it can it will.
Whether it makes a difference or not we will never know.

Like speeding it is not right.....doesn't stop the speeders....and since it does not affect most of us.....does not make it OK.

Anyone else remember Landslide Lyndon? How "Landslide Lyndon" stole Senate race in 1948? - And U.S. entered Vietnam War.

There is a huge difference between significant voter fraud (which has never been found, anywhere or anytime) and it just taking so long to count the unprecedented number of mailed-in ballots, due to the fear of catching Covid standing in a massive line. Every ballot cast in accordance with the appropriate state law(s) should be counted, regardless of how long it takes. That is the very foundation of a Constitutional Federal Republic. A lot of people also forget, that election laws are a state right and they vary from state to state. Here's a good link that shows those different laws.

VOPP: Table 11: Receipt and Postmark Deadlines for Absentee Ballots

People in Chicago are known to have voted for many years after they died, some of them even switched parties

On 11/3/2020 I went to Paradise Rec Center in order to cast my vote, the lady did ask for my Driver’s License before I was able to get my voting sheets... :confused:

Actually I have less faith in federal government as years go by, corruption, career politicians, and billionaires interest to sway government. Hopefully I will be dead before it turns into just another 3rd world country.

No Voter ID could result in:
Send "Early Ballot" in the mail; then on election day vote again in person if no ID is required....

He's talking about mail-in voting, which requires you to not even be physically capable of presenting your ID to anyone. But it does require that your signature be on file (usually via your Florida drivers' license, which is now also a valid Federal ID, or in person registration to vote), so that the signatures can be matched when you sign the back of the envelope before mailing it in.

Considering that mail-in voting, *regardless of the reason for the mail-in, whether absentee or not* has existed since the Civil War, and considering that mail fraud has been negligible since, and considering that even when it IS discovered, it invalidates the fraudulent votes - thus making the actual votes valid and countable..

considering all that, mail-in ballots is not, nor has it ever been, a concern in this country.

In person voting HAS been a problem, particularly in Georgia and Florida, when a certain party did some certain things creating certain problems, and the subsequent attempts at covering it up were exposed.

So if it were me, I'd be more concerned about a certain party's attempts to subvert and corrupt the voting process at the polling places, and less concerned about mail-in voting.

I'm not all that concerned about either. The person I didn't want, took the Florida election fair and square. I don't like it, but I accept it. Hopefully, the people on that side will have the same attitude if their person doesn't win the final national result. Somehow though, considering THEIR history - I don't have much faith in that.

Voter fraud can only make the smallest of differences, so it has to be a close race to make it worth investigating.

Asking and requiring are two different things. Florida law does not require a driver's license or other ID to vote.

Then why do they ask to see your drivers license when entering the voting establishment and verify the address?

And all Americans citizens do... When have YOU or anyone that YOU know have ever voted without proper ID ? :ohdear:

If you don't have an ID, they can require you to vote with a provisional ballot. Then, they are supposed to verify your signature later and accept your vote. But, they cannot require you to present an ID to vote.

No, you are wrong. So you think that in the USA you can just walk into a polling station and give them some random name and then you can vote for the Prez of the USA. :ohdear:

Ya, I also overheard that from a guy talk'n to some other guy at the end of the bar. I think they were from NYC.

For those demanding PROOF of voter fraud, I find it interesting that they are the same ones that do not need "proof" of foreign influence. They just take it as fact. The point is that you can't detect voter fraud without an investigation. Many states will not allow investigators inside to investigate voter fraud.
The absolute FACT is that the Constitution stipulates, mandates that ONLY American citizens may vote in national elections, period. Are we supposed to take the honor system and consider that everyone is telling the truth and do not have to prove identity? Do not have to prove citizenship? If one does not have proof of their identity then they are too stupid to vote. In one state North of us, does not even require anything more than a verbal statement of name and address. They do not even require a piece of paper as proof of residence, just your verbal statement.
If you do not believe that proof should be required, then I am sure you are upset at having to provide proof to purchase alcohol, airline tickets, prescription drugs, cash a check, and even use your credit card if you do not sign the back.
The idea that some minorities would be disenfranchised if proof is required is a slur on minorities.

I am not wrong. Florida law does not require an ID to vote for president. If you show up with no ID, they can require you to use a provisional ballot to vote. Then, they are supposed to verify your signature with the voter registration signature on file. But, if they refuse to let you vote, they are violating Florida law.

Someday we will be smart enough to get rid of the Electoral College. After doing so, voter fraud, if there is any would not be an issue when one candidate registers 4,000,000 votes more than the other. Electoral College does not reflect the will of the people.

And there you have it (verify your signature with the voter registration signature on file). :clap2:

So, you believe that one or two CITIES in America should be able to decide the fate of ALL the rest of your fellow Americans? How quaint. Some folks are much smarter than the founding fathers, right? I guess the rest of us won't even need to vote or actually even have a say in how the country is run, if we do away with the EC votes. Hey, we won't even need congress anymore either, since the rest of the country won't matter.

Some folks need to take a refresher CIVICS course. WE live in a Republic, a Constitutional Republic, NOT a Democracy. America is not yet a Socialist country.

Signatures do not cut it. Just look at your signature on those digital pads when you purchase by credit card. All persons should have to provide proof of citizenship when registering to vote, and then proof of ID (picture form of ID) when you actually vote. The military living overseas fills out an absentee ballot and it has to be certified with witness signature before it is mailed. No one should have mail in voting unless they are not able to vote in their resident state. The honor system does not cut it.

Yes Yes Yes - Now I believe you. There was wide spread voter fraud in the state of Florida because no one needed proof of citizenship or proof of residency. Lots of people even voted twice (because they were told to by potus). I'm with you brother. So you are saying that it's very possible that those electoral collage votes might have been meant go to the other guy. :pray:

Won't happen. There is a Barcode on every ballot that is scanned just like getting on a plane. You also could be charged with voter fraud, getting prison time.

You have to show a picture ID to fly on an airplane, to cash a check, to purchase booze and cigarettes, to open a bank account, to receive certain medications, to get a loan, to purchase a firearm, and a number of other things so what is the problem with showing one to vote?

The problem is in the title of the thread. If you have to present a photo ID to vote, then it would make it more difficult for those who want to make a fraudulent vote.

Or how about one candidate wins 90% of the counties in a State but still lose the State... :popcorn:

Somehow, I'm not at all surprised.

We are all frustrated, not depressed though. Don’t worry it’ll be over soon.

I believe there is both voting fraud and vote counting fraud.

I think that there have been some sketchy things going on with the vote count in other states. I am proud of the way Florida handled the entire election process. If Florida can get an election night result, so should the other states.