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Lottoguy 05-16-2021 09:13 AM

Another idiot driver in the roundabout - dashcam video
 
What you see here happens constantly. When will people finally learn the correct way in a roundabout?

Another Idiot Driver In The Villages - YouTube

njbchbum 05-16-2021 09:44 AM

LOL Is the roundabout the only place you see "idiot" drivers? If so, count yourself lucky! Defensive driving should be a routine practice at all times one is driving - not one saved for roundabouts!

manaboutown 05-16-2021 10:06 AM

What an incompetent driver!

karostay 05-16-2021 11:16 AM

Stay alert expect the un expected

Blueblaze 05-16-2021 11:21 AM

This idiot can't figure out which idiot you're complaining about
 
Which idiot are you complaining about?

If you look at the arrows on the road, you will see that the right lane is supposed to continue straight (take the exit), while the inner lane has the option of continuing around or exiting. The idiot in the left lane chose to exit, while the outer lane idiot ignored the arrow and continued around the circle. However, I did notice that the idiot in the left lane failed to signal his intent.

I think the circles are designed to work that way to prevent idiots from changing lanes in the circle. Notice the solid lane dividers? That means you're supposed to stay in your lane. How would anyone in the left lane ever get out of the circle if he can't change lanes or cross the outer lane to exit? Notice the dashed lane divider, allowing the left lane to exit the circle? But maybe you were complaining about the outer lane guy?

My understanding is that the outer lane is for taking the first exit -- turning right immediately. At least that's what the Villages sales lady told me when I asked her how the traffic circles are supposed to work.

VApeople 05-16-2021 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadywood (Post 1945488)
My understanding is that the outer lane is for taking the first exit -- turning right immediately.

You are wrong. It is fine to go straight from the right lane. I do it all the time.

MrFlorida 05-16-2021 12:03 PM

I always expect to be cut off in the roundabouts, and I am seldom disappointed.

Blueblaze 05-16-2021 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 1945493)
You are wrong. It is fine to go straight from the right lane. I do it all the time.

I do it too. It's just what the Villages saleslady told me, and the confusing arrows tend to confirm it.

So who was the idiot in the video? The guy in the left lane, for failing to signal?

Personally, I find the idiots who use TOV to complain about their neighbors all the time more annoying than a guy exiting a traffic circle without signalling.

GrumpyOldMan 05-16-2021 12:13 PM

It is an absolute certainty that they are idiots. I mean they could not possibly be 75 years old and never have driven in a round about before. Nope, nope, nope...

Kenswing 05-16-2021 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MrFlorida (Post 1945500)
I always expect to be cut off in the roundabouts, and I am seldom disappointed.

Yep. We've been here three weeks. I quickly learned that while in a roundabout you had better act as if the guy next to you is aiming for you. lol

Ben Franklin 05-16-2021 12:49 PM

When I was living in NJ the answer to the question - who has the right away in a round-about? was - the biggest truck, or the car with the most dents and scratches.

Polar Bear 05-16-2021 12:51 PM

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rustyp 05-16-2021 12:52 PM

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Before too many feet are inserted into mouths study this. I would have published the entire pamphlet but the majority wouldn't read it anyway.

Attachment 89508

Bogie Shooter 05-16-2021 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadywood (Post 1945502)
I do it too. It's just what the Villages saleslady told me, and the confusing arrows tend to confirm it.

So who was the idiot in the video? The guy in the left lane, for failing to signal?

Personally, I find the idiots who use TOV to complain about their neighbors all the time more annoying than a guy exiting a traffic circle without signalling.

“villages saleslady”:1rotfl::1rotfl:

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-16-2021 03:27 PM

I dunno, it looked like everyone did what they were supposed to do, other than the guy on the inside lane using his signal to indicate he was exiting out of the circle (that would be his RIGHT turn signal, for those who still insist that halfway around the circle is "straight" and 3/4 around the circle is a "left turn" by the way. Every single exit is a RIGHT exit out of the circle.).

Each care was paced safely away from each other car, and everyone went at a nice staggered pace around and out.

Two Bills 05-16-2021 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1945583)
I dunno, it looked like everyone did what they were supposed to do, other than the guy on the inside lane using his signal to indicate he was exiting out of the circle (that would be his RIGHT turn signal, for those who still insist that halfway around the circle is "straight" and 3/4 around the circle is a "left turn" by the way. Every single exit is a RIGHT exit out of the circle.).

Each care was paced safely away from each other car, and everyone went at a nice staggered pace around and out.

The white car was in the wrong lane.

stanley 05-16-2021 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1945583)
I dunno, it looked like everyone did what they were supposed to do,

Each care was paced safely away from each other car, and everyone went at a nice staggered pace around and out.

No. The white SUV should've taken either the first or second "exit".
rustyp's attachment in post #13 says it all

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1945535)
Before too many feet are inserted into mouths study this. I would have published the entire pamphlet but the majority wouldn't read it anyway.

Attachment 89508


VApeople 05-16-2021 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadywood (Post 1945502)
So who was the idiot in the video?

There was no idiot.

Each driver behaved normally. If you expect anything different, you are dreaming.

Of course, the driver in the right lane should not have gone 3/4 way around the roundabout, but a lot of drivers do that. We should expect it to happen and be prepared for it.

Topspinmo 05-16-2021 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadywood (Post 1945502)
I do it too. It's just what the Villages saleslady told me, and the confusing arrows tend to confirm it.

So who was the idiot in the video? The guy in the left lane, for failing to signal?

Personally, I find the idiots who use TOV to complain about their neighbors all the time more annoying than a guy exiting a traffic circle without signalling.



The guy I left lane only has us to signal IF he going to third exit. He DONT have to signal going straight, going straight is NOT turning. The idiot in right lane if got hit by the person in Left lane would of got the ticket for NOT yielding. You can’t just blunder around to third exit in the right outside lane. It just like turning left on 4 lane road from the right lane.

davem4616 05-16-2021 07:08 PM

hey deal with it, in Boston we never used a turn signal...why would we ever wanna give the enemy any information on what we're planning to do???

It's tough world out there...drive defensively and expect the unexpected

Malsua 05-16-2021 07:08 PM

These circles should simply go to one lane to prevent this confusion. You get in the circle when it's clear, exit when you want. No one crossing in front of anyone else.

Nucky 05-16-2021 07:31 PM

Suppose today was the first time the White SUV was ever on The Villages premises. They are in the outer lane approaching the roundabout then enter the roundabout and realize they want to continue to the next exit in the roundabout just like they did. Would a left-hand blinker applied sooner make what they did correct? Yes or No??

Many people have zero experience with the road conditions that present themself in The Villages. Many places where curbs are placed and not brightly painted are another trouble spot. Curbs are also put in unusual spots throughout the entire operation. That would be on the street and on the Cart Paths.

Whatever. It's gonna be what it's gonna be. NOTHING will ever stop the foolishness we witness daily. The best you can do is protect yourself. Best of Luck to All.

Polar Bear 05-16-2021 07:42 PM

I think a lot of drivers new to The Villages and roundabouts feel like the safest way to travel them is to stick to the outside lane and go slow…no matter which exit they plan to take.

For newbs, I can’t really blame them. And if more experienced drivers follow the important rules of yielding to both lanes in the roundabout and not driving next to any vehicle while in the roundabout, it doesn’t result in a problem.

JoMar 05-16-2021 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Malsua (Post 1945670)
These circles should simply go to one lane to prevent this confusion. You get in the circle when it's clear, exit when you want. No one crossing in front of anyone else.

And watch everyone fight for that one lane and watch the traffic back up for blocks. That's why all modern roundabout construction is multi lane. Single lane creates road rage.....heck here, two lane roundabouts create road range.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-16-2021 10:23 PM

Ah okay I spaced out on that first exit, it came up basically right after you entered.

This is the hard part though: what would you have done if the white car had come in from that spot, and was planning on going 2 exits away (one further than you)? He'd still be where he was, and you'd still be where you were, and he'd have the right to continue in that lane, and you'd still have the right to exit from your lane.

That's WHY these traffic circles are so harrowing. Because it really doesn't matter what lane you are "supposed" to be in. If I came in from the exit before yours, and I came in on the inner lane, and I'm taking my second exit...and you show up in the outer lane and you're taking YOUR second exit - we're both doing what we are allowed to do. Except - there's that risk that I'm going to try and take that exit I'm allowed to take, while you're still heading toward the exit you're allowed take - and there might just be a potential for a crash unless everyone is going at exactly the right speed, at exactly the right distance from each other, in exactly the right order.

Bill14564 05-16-2021 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1945733)
Ah okay I spaced out on that first exit, it came up basically right after you entered.

This is the hard part though: what would you have done if the white car had come in from that spot, and was planning on going 2 exits away (one further than you)? He'd still be where he was, and you'd still be where you were, and he'd have the right to continue in that lane, and you'd still have the right to exit from your lane.

That's WHY these traffic circles are so harrowing. Because it really doesn't matter what lane you are "supposed" to be in. If I came in from the exit before yours, and I came in on the inner lane, and I'm taking my second exit...and you show up in the outer lane and you're taking YOUR second exit - we're both doing what we are allowed to do. Except - there's that risk that I'm going to try and take that exit I'm allowed to take, while you're still heading toward the exit you're allowed take - and there might just be a potential for a crash unless everyone is going at exactly the right speed, at exactly the right distance from each other, in exactly the right order.

In your example, if the vehicle entering second yields to the vehicle already in the circle then their will be no conflict. The vehicle already in the circle, the one in the inner lane, will have time to exit where he wants before the second vehicle reaches the same spot.

Two Bills 05-17-2021 03:09 AM

The whole point of roundabouts is continuous flow, which is why correct lane discipline is paramount.
If all cars enter in the correct lane no car would have to give way.
A roundabout is nothing more than a road junction/crossroad.
Would you turn left from the right hand lane at a normal crossroad?
Same lane discipline at a roundabout.:ho:

Malsua 05-17-2021 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1945710)
That's why all modern roundabout construction is multi lane. Single lane creates road rage.....heck here, two lane roundabouts create road range.

I know of roundabouts here in NJ that were built in the last few years that are single lane. High volume too. No issues.

golfing eagles 05-17-2021 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1945738)
The whole point of roundabouts is continuous flow, which is why correct lane discipline is paramount.
If all cars enter in the correct lane no car would have to give way.
A roundabout is nothing more than a road junction/crossroad.
Would you turn left from the right hand lane at a normal crossroad?
Same lane discipline at a roundabout.:ho:

Agree, as long as a car entering the RB yields to cars in BOTH lanes, as they are required to by law. Otherwise you end up with the scenario 2 posts above, where a vehicle going straight after entering the outer lane crosses in front of a vehicle that is in the inner lane that is going straight from his entrance 90 degrees earlier

thevillages2013 05-17-2021 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Lottoguy (Post 1945438)
What you see here happens constantly. When will people finally learn the correct way in a roundabout?

Another Idiot Driver In The Villages - YouTube

I am pretty sure that some never will learn how to drive the roundabouts especially after reading some of these posts. Turn signals in roundabouts are senseless IMO if you are in the correct lane for the exit you take then it is seamless. I see left turn signals in roundabouts when a left can not be made. The big key is that he who is already in the roundabout has the right of way so don’t enter said roundabout until vehicles already in roundabout have passed you NO MATTER WHAT LANE THEY ARE IN.

dewilson58 05-17-2021 05:10 AM

Glass Houses.

Girlcopper 05-17-2021 05:33 AM

[QUOTE=VApeople;1945493]You are wrong. It is fine to go straight from the right lane. I do it all the time.[TE]
And there comes another accident.....SMH.......typical

Girlcopper 05-17-2021 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Lottoguy (Post 1945438)
What you see here happens constantly. When will people finally learn the correct way in a roundabout?

Another Idiot Driver In The Villages - YouTube

Another local nitwit.

rjsantos592 05-17-2021 05:37 AM

Sounds to me like this was staged. How could you possibly know that this "white" car was going to cut in front of you at that distance?

Two Bills 05-17-2021 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1945747)
Agree, as long as a car entering the RB yields to cars in BOTH lanes, as they are required to by law. Otherwise you end up with the scenario 2 posts above, where a vehicle going straight after entering the outer lane crosses in front of a vehicle that is in the inner lane that is going straight from his entrance 90 degrees earlier

As the main subject was lane discipline, as in the video, I only commented on that.
As for giving way to traffic in both lanes, before entering, that is definitely a bridge to far for many.
It come in the same category as stopping at stop signs, purely advisory!

toeser 05-17-2021 05:57 AM

The driver in the left lane had the right-of-way to exit. His error was not in signaling his turn. Perhaps you need to learn how round-abouts work.

bonrich 05-17-2021 06:02 AM

Left lane, option to take first exit, or continue around the circle to next exit, or go around another time because you missed your exit. The right lane is for first exit safely.

Rosebud1949 05-17-2021 06:09 AM

Cars here dont seem to have Indicators
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lottoguy (Post 1945438)
What you see here happens constantly. When will people finally learn the correct way in a roundabout?

Another Idiot Driver In The Villages - YouTube

If they were used at least you would have had some warning. Turing left INDICATE LEFT TURINING RIGHT INDICATE RIGHT This applies on roundabouts as well as other turns.

The changing lanes in mid roundabout is also dangerous, what are the white guidelines for drivers !!!!!

The whole idea of roundabouts is to keep the traffic moving. WHEN you use them correctly it works. Sadly this is not the only place where IDIOT driving is seen here.

golfing eagles 05-17-2021 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bonrich (Post 1945793)
Left lane, option to take first exit, or continue around the circle to next exit, or go around another time because you missed your exit. The right lane is for first exit safely.

No, NO, NO!!!!

NEVER take first exit from left lane. NEVER!!!. First exit is NOT an "option"

Right(outer) lane is for 1st and 2nd exits
Left(inner) lane is for 2nd and 3rd exits.

That is why you should NEVER enter a RB with traffic in EITHER lane.

Signals are nice, but I don't trust anyone with their signal on, anywhere. And for the driver who is stupid enough to come right along side you in a RB, they can't see them anyway.

Malsua 05-17-2021 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1945801)
No, NO, NO!!!!

NEVER take first exit from left lane. NEVER!!!. First exit is NOT an "option"

Right(outer) lane is for 1st and 2nd exits
Left(inner) lane is for 2nd and 3rd exits.

That is why you should NEVER enter a RB with traffic in EITHER lane.

And this is why if they simply made them 1 lane, this issue goes away.

As OBB said up above, if the white SUV had entered at the 2nd entrance instead of the cammer entrance, they could theoretically be in exactly the same place, at exactly the same time, the only difference is that they entered in a different spot.
In that particular case, they'd be perfectly fine with doing exactly what they did as far as the direction, they still probably failed to yield.

Someone is supposed to yield, and the only way to make the yield crash proof is to...NEVER ENTER a RB with traffic. I.E. then what's the point of having two lanes?


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