Ban on transgender women running in 2024 Olympics
 

It has been announced that transgender women are banned from running in the 2024 Olympics against women. Some transgender comments about denying them the opportunity to participate. They are not being denied the opportunity. They just have to compete against people of their biological sex. Kind of like letting a heavyweight average boxer compete against a lightweight boxer. XY against XY, not XY against XX. Sports events are looking for the best, not the best imposter. If an XX wants to compete against an XY, let it happen, If a lightweight wants to compete against a heavyweight, let it happen. Go up to your best not down to your best.

That is the correct thing to do, transgender people do not lose their muscle structure and it is true that men going up against women, the men will win most of the time. I reverse it is an uphill battle for them so it is fair for them to compete. It is most fair for woman working to compete to be able to compete equally.

Where are the woman's right people? So unfair.

If they were women, I'd agree.

Had a client once who woke up one morning and thought he was a chiropractor. Made a sign and put it in his apartment window facing the street: "Dr. _____, Natural Healing". He got mad as heck when I told him that he wasn't a chiropractor and that he had to take his sign down: even threatened me with a lawsuit, claiming I was depriving him of his right to make a living. Fortunately, a visit to his Psychiatrist and a day or three wait for the new med to take effect took care of the issue: he was back to being who he always was.

Sometimes, reality stomps on in and crushes our most cherished fantasies.

Apples to apples.

I'm a women's rights person and I think this is great news. It is very unfair for women to have to compete against a man in women's clothing.

I think it is vile to target transgender people whose lives must be difficult enough without being used as pawns in political ploys.

Attacks on transgenders — both verbal and physical attacks — are part of a movement to dehumanize others — and the number of people who are susceptible to joining in the hatred is appalling.

And don’t get me started on the incongruity of using “holiness” as an attempt to veil hatred and to obsess about what is between someone else’s legs. If an adult decides to do something totally legal, why should anyone else care.

BUT, that being said, I agree that transgender women should not be competing against female athletes who were born female. This is not just about the Olympics, it is about all levels of sports, from informal competitions to the awarding of scholarships. Height and strength can make all the difference in athletic competition……

Let’s be fair.

Boomer the Moderate (an endangered species)

I think that is a silly and completely illogical response to serious issue. No individual or family with children facing a sexual identity issue takes this lightly or treats it as a running joke. No one “wakes up one morning” deciding they are actually of a different sex - it is typically the consequence of years of nagging doubts, frustration and fear, and incredible heartache from trying to fit into the expectations of others and facing the most incredible cruelty when they don’t. Most Villagers are old enough and experienced enough to have met people from all walks of life and know that we are not all cut from the same cloth and sexuality is not some hard and fast rule that everyone fits into neatly. I am not speaking to the issue of athletic competition but to all the demeaning, thoughtless, crude and silly comments that this issue provokes.

So you're saying - someone who was born with the female anatomy, grew up that way, but "came out" as a transgender male, getting all the appropriate medical treatment BEFORE entering Olympic trials - including breast removal, hysterectomy, and hormone treatment to produce more masculine traits including lowering of voice and facial hair growth..

They should be trying out in the WOMENS' Olympics trials. Because he was born female and that's how you want it to be. Right?

I mean he's stronger, taller, has facial hair, no longer has a woman's reproductive system, or breast tissue. His hormonal balance is now that of a natural-born man, nothing more, he's not taking "extra" hormones but rather - hormone replacement. Just like a woman going through menopause takes hormone replacement. Except this one is for men, not women. But he'll be competing as a woman.

Because that's what you want.

I say - okay. That's fine.

I also feel that transgender males/females shouldn't be competing for teams of the gender that doesn't match their biology. But if they compete in teams that DOES match their biology, then you'll have transgender women - who were born biologically male - competing against men. Tall women with no facial hair, no *****, wearing bras, competing with men. Because they were born with a ***** even though they no longer have one. That makes zero sense.

I'd rather see all sports open up to all genders. No more male teams and female teams. People can be on the teams selected on the merits of their abilities rather than what reproductive organs they were born with, or currently have. Yes, men are typically taller than women. But the average "random tall guy" still can't play basketball as well as the "tall chick with the full 4-year basketball scholarship at UConn."

And many of those college basketball men can't hold a candle to some of the Women Huskies.

So pick your teams with men, women, transgender, cisgender, nonbinary, whatever. If they can do the job, then they're on the team.

If a person's chromosomes are XY, he is biologically a male and should only be allowed to compete against other males, no matter the surgeries, hormones, clothing he chooses to wear and so on. It is not fair to let him compete against biological females having XX chromosomes. It is that simple.

And if a person's chromosomes are XX, she is biologically a female and should be allowed to compete against other females, no matter the surgeries, hormones, clothing she chooses to wear and so on. It's not fair to let her compete against biological males having XY chromosomes. It's that simple.

Good luck with that for womens' basketball, baseball, and hockey teams. That transgender male being forced to play on womens' teams because he has XX chromosomes is gonna clean up.

What is it about the transition process do you think will allow a formerly-female body to now "clean up" against presently-female bodies? Does the transition process redefine bone and muscle structure in some way when going from female to male? The process certainly doesn't appear to redefine those structures when going from male to female.

We may never know......................signed out after your post.

I realize that logic is not everyone's forte, so I will try to help.


You are the only person I have ever heard state "It's not fair to let her compete against biological males having XY chromosomes."

I think there is a very simple and logical reason why no one else has stated that.

In fact, if a transgender man is receiving hormone therapy (also known as performance enhancing drugs) that person should not be allowed to compete against biological women. She can cut off or add whatever body parts she wants, she can dress in any way she wants. But if she is taking testosterone, that is PEDs, and that should disqualify her from competing against biological females.

You can TRY to twist this any way you want. You can try to assign negative intent of hatred or discrimination all you want. But you are wrong. The basis for this whole discussion is fairness of competion. If you have an unfair advantage based on biology or testosterone therapy, you do not get to compete against those who do not have that unfair advantage.

Males have varying degrees of masculinity and males have varying degrees of femininity.

Females have varying degrees of femininity and females have varying degrees of masculinity.

How feminine or how masculine one is, does not change their sex.

Drugs and surgery change appearances, does not change XX or XY.

Males are still males and females are still females.

What am I missing??

As usual, you are not missing anything. But to clarify one point, just as males are not allowed to juice with Testosterone and HGH and compete against other males, females should not be allowed to juice with Testosterone and HGH and compete against other females.

Testosterone. For the same reason men are not allowed to juice with Testosterone for an advantage against other men, women should not be allowed to juice with testosterone and compete against other women. Testosterone will not turn the woman into a man, but testosterone will definitely provide an unfair advantage. In fact, we used to always complain about the Russian women swimmers who were clearly taking testosterone because of the unfair advantage it provided.

Women will never win a competition again if their rights are not protected.

I’m upset. I am now identifying as a blind person. And cannot read all these posts.

Totally unfair. I’m requesting a Reader to come to my home.

They should just cover it with the rules against doping and not get into the other stuff.

Not one da_n thing!

Looking for clarification, please. Doping covers transgender men (women) competing against biological women while taking testosterone. So, I agree that can be handled with doping rules without addressing other things about that issue.

Doping rules do not cover transgender women (men) competing against women, because it is all the other advantages of being a man that make it unfair. So, the transgender women wouldn't be doping, so the other stuff needs to be addressed by stating biological males cannot compete against biological females.

Probably should be addressed on a case-by-case basis as to men who have become women as body types vary a great deal among athletes from long distance runners to heavy weight lifters. In many cases there probably would not that much difference.

I would assume the Oly Committee and colleges and high schools and middle schools will start addressing the juices in bodies. I hope.

My Bride says I identify as a 12 year old at times.

:thumbup:

You just cut the number of teams in half, e.g. instead of UConn women's basketball and UConn's men's basket ball you just have UConn basketball. And now not one of those women basketball players gets to be on the team.

Serena Williams, arguably the best women's tennis player of all time played the then 203rd ranked male. Serena lost 6-1. She claimed she played as well as she normally does. Venus then walked on the court and lost 6-2.

You are sadly mistaken if you think UConn women would beat out the even the bottom of the college male starters. I chuckle at your assertion that they couldn't even hold a candle to them.

That is so ridiculous. There are very few cases where it would not make much difference.

In running events women's world records are on average 90% as fast as the men's world records and 84.15% as long/high in the jumping events. A fairly big difference... especially if we consider that all the running events are in the range of 2.3% from best to worst.(Sep 15, 2016)

I think there is a difference in what you identify as and what she identifies you as ;-)

I am not holding my breath because the vast majority of decisions they have made so far have been for "inclusivity" and not fairness.

I tell my other half my estrogen left me and the testosterone is growing by leaps and bounds. He says don't bother him with the small stuff! :D

And how many trans people make the Olympics? Very very few in either the Summer or Winter Olympics. And there are many Olympic sports which highlight technical abilities developed over years of experience rather than just physical attributes.

A case-by-case approach would be far easier.

Explain how a case by case approach is any easier, much less far easier.
Either there is a reason to have different categories based on biological sex, or there is not. If there is, it is far easier to make the rule to compete against your same sex. If there is no advantage in the sport for either sex, then just have one category. Both of those are far easier than having to go through some analysis for each transgender person that wants to compete against people of a different gender. Maybe "easier" does not mean what you think it means.

Again. How many transgender people make the Olympics? Probably very few. Transgender people in sports - Wikipedia.

What is your point? I am addressing competitive sports in general. Do your previous comments only apply to the olympics???

Mine do. And it looks like it is just about people who were male running in the Olympics as females.

Ok. I will go with that. As you claim, virtually no one is inconvenienced by the rule, so no harm-no foul. The ruling is a non issue.

Next topic.

MrFlorida said:

“Apples to apples.”

It should be Adam’s apples to Adam’s apples.

the only solution is to have trans compete against the other trans, in a category all their own

Like adam apples