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sounding 12-19-2023 10:41 PM

The Schwarzschild Equation
 
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This is the defining equation regarding greenhouse gas physics. It is used by all IPCC climate modules -- and yet the media never mentions it -- especially the CO2 saturation aspect. Find out why: Jan 21, 1:30 PM, Laurel Manor.

Two Bills 12-20-2023 03:09 AM

The Schwarzschild Equation

I never saw that one, but I did enjoy The Ipcress File.

Blueblaze 12-20-2023 06:25 AM

For us non math majors, can you explain the chart without giving away the plot?

sounding 12-20-2023 06:48 AM

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For us non math majors, can you explain the chart without giving away the plot?

This graph converts filtered spectral flux to temperature change approximation.

golfing eagles 12-20-2023 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2283859)
This is the defining equation regarding greenhouse gas physics. It is used by all IPCC climate modules -- and yet the media never mentions it -- especially the CO2 saturation aspect. Find out why: Jan 21, 1:30 PM, Laurel Manor.

Why the media never mentions this? Why don't climatologists who are beholden to the government and universities never speak out to debunk the myth of anthropogenic climate change? Why doesn't the media ever mention that the price of complying with the Paris accords would be $ 130 TRILLION? And most importantly, why are those that would benefit conveniently hiding behind all the "useful idiots" that they have recruited/bamboozled?

We all know why.

fdpaq0580 12-20-2023 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2283894)
Why the media never mentions this? Why don't climatologists who are beholden to the government and universities never speak out to debunk the myth of anthropogenic climate change? Why doesn't the media ever mention that the price of complying with the Paris accords would be $ 130 TRILLION? And most importantly, why are those that would benefit conveniently hiding behind all the "useful idiots" that they have recruited/bamboozled?

We all know why.

"We ALL know why." Yup! Most do, but it probably ain't what you think.

golfing eagles 12-20-2023 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2283948)
"We ALL know why." Yup! Most do, but it probably ain't what you think.

I know you think differently about this topic, but I assure you it is EXACTLY what I think. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Taltarzac725 12-20-2023 02:09 PM

Schwarzschild metric - Wikipedia

Not sure where you are getting your information.

sounding 12-20-2023 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2284004)
Schwarzschild metric - Wikipedia

Not sure where you are getting your information.

Schwarzschild is most noted for the black hole radius metric, and his 2nd most notable work is what the media is trying to hide from you, which are the exact solutions for Einstein's A & B coefficients which are necessary to make the Schwarzschild Equation work properly ... Schwarzschild's equation for radiative transfer - Wikipedia ... which is why Einstein is on this image. This an much more information (which the media tries to hide) will be presented at Thursday's talk.

Vermilion Villager 12-21-2023 08:10 AM

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The cut and paste Sounding posted was from John Shewchuk on X. Too funny!!! he's actually debunking the theory!!!! I followed it to his website. Here's a cut and paste from John's site.

Regorp 12-21-2023 09:35 AM

S equation
 
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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2283859)
This is the defining equation regarding greenhouse gas physics. It is used by all IPCC climate modules -- and yet the media never mentions it -- especially the CO2 saturation aspect. Find out why: Jan 21, 1:30 PM, Laurel Manor.

So you are smart. Most people could care less. We understand basic weather and happy with it most of the time. Thanks.

PhilG 12-21-2023 09:36 AM

no one is more confident than amateur self-styled "scientists"

Keefelane66 12-21-2023 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2284199)
The cut and paste Sounding posted was from John Shewchuk on X. Too funny!!! he's actually debunking the theory!!!! I followed it to his website. Here's a cut and paste from John's site.

How long B4 post disappears?

daveczo 12-21-2023 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Regorp (Post 2284275)
So you are smart. Most people could care less. We understand basic weather and happy with it most of the time. Thanks.

I was lost after, This is the.......:22yikes:

Donegalkid 12-21-2023 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2283859)
This is the defining equation regarding greenhouse gas physics. It is used by all IPCC climate modules -- and yet the media never mentions it -- especially the CO2 saturation aspect. Find out why: Jan 21, 1:30 PM, Laurel Manor.

Whenever I read scientific articles about The Schwarzschild Equation (which happily is next to never) or come across the phrase “and yet the media never mentions it” I hold my breath for approximately 30-45 seconds (depending on how I’m feeling that day), thereby decreasing my carbon footprint by a calculation too complicated to explain here or display on a graph. For scientific types, I’ve labeled it the “Guinness Equation” and the complete equation with all the trig and calculus calculations can be found on the men’s bathroom wall of Bull Feeney’s Irish pub in Portland Maine. While I have your attention, who do you think Bull Feeney really was? He was a real and very famous person. Hint: his real last name is that of an American car manufacturer but one should really think “Hollywood” and some of good old American movies. Happy holidays, all.

spinner1001 12-22-2023 05:45 AM

The Schwarzschild Equation describes a gravitational field.

Golfers are interested in gravity.

Are people who understand the Schwarzschild Equation and also golf any better golfers than those not understanding the equation?

If studying the Schwarzschild Equation doesn’t make ordinary people better off, why should ordinary people care about it? @sounding

mntlblok 12-22-2023 08:06 AM

Festus
 
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Originally Posted by Donegalkid (Post 2284465)
Whenever I read scientific articles about The Schwarzschild Equation (which happily is next to never) or come across the phrase “and yet the media never mentions it” I hold my breath for approximately 30-45 seconds (depending on how I’m feeling that day), thereby decreasing my carbon footprint by a calculation too complicated to explain here or display on a graph. For scientific types, I’ve labeled it the “Guinness Equation” and the complete equation with all the trig and calculus calculations can be found on the men’s bathroom wall of Bull Feeney’s Irish pub in Portland Maine. While I have your attention, who do you think Bull Feeney really was? He was a real and very famous person. Hint: his real last name is that of an American car manufacturer but one should really think “Hollywood” and some of good old American movies. Happy holidays, all.

Had never googled the guy. Coincidentally had just read up on Maureen O'Hara yesterday. "Festus" was his SIL for a while. :-) Lots of fun new info in the (*long*) Wikipedia article. And, now know that Wilhelm Fried Fuchs (Fried Vilmos) is the ultimate namesake of that eponymous channel. Also reminded me of recently having read the fascinating story of Carole Lombard. Might've previously thought that he and John Huston were the same guy. :-) He made Rear Admiral! Learnt that Star Trek kinda developed out of Wagon Train.

gorillarick 12-22-2023 08:14 AM

crisis
 
"Never let a crisis go to waste."

Even if you have to make one up.

sounding 12-22-2023 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by spinner1001 (Post 2284506)
The Schwarzschild Equation describes a gravitational field.

Golfers are interested in gravity.

Are people who understand the Schwarzschild Equation and also golf any better golfers than those not understanding the equation?

If studying the Schwarzschild Equation doesn’t make ordinary people better off, why should ordinary people care about it? @sounding

Those who attended the Schwarzschild talk learned that the Schwarzschild Metric describes the gravitational field around black holes ... Schwarzschild metric - Wikipedia ... and that the Schwarzschild Equation describes radiative transfer of energy regarding greenhouse gases ... Schwarzschild's equation for radiative transfer - Wikipedia

mntlblok 12-22-2023 08:23 AM

Karl and Martin
 
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Originally Posted by spinner1001 (Post 2284506)
The Schwarzschild Equation describes a gravitational field.

Golfers are interested in gravity.

Are people who understand the Schwarzschild Equation and also golf any better golfers than those not understanding the equation?

If studying the Schwarzschild Equation doesn’t make ordinary people better off, why should ordinary people care about it? @sounding

Karl got croaked during WW1 but his son became a big boy in astronomy.

Golfers might lean more towards "spin" rather than gravity within the (simple) physics realm for practical info.

Trackman caused the "rules" of golf ball flight to "change" a while back. However, watch folks' eyes glaze over if you bring it up. :-) Use the new ball flight laws to understand your tendencies – GolfWRX

mntlblok 12-22-2023 08:58 AM

Gravity
 
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Originally Posted by spinner1001 (Post 2284506)
The Schwarzschild Equation describes a gravitational field.

Golfers are interested in gravity.

Actually, I *do* have a little bubble balance in the cart that I keep meaning to pull out on the practice green. . . :-)

ffresh 12-22-2023 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2283868)
The Schwarzschild Equation

I never saw that one, but I did enjoy The Ipcress File.


:1rotfl:

Fred

jimjamuser 12-22-2023 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2283868)
The Schwarzschild Equation

I never saw that one, but I did enjoy The Ipcress File.

Right, Hollywood is dying to make that Schwarzschild movie. But since someone mentioned CLIMATE, I would just remind people that 2023 was a banner year for climate RECORDS. Because 2023 was the HOTTEST IN RECORDED HISTORY. REAL climate scientists have stated that the next 8 years will continue to be HOTTER and HOTTER worldwide. This morning on TV Dr. Vin Gupta (please Google him) had some VERY dire warnings about human health from the elevated temperatures like 2023. it is even affecting human life spans (negatively). Disease and new disease transmissibility will increase. Asthma will increase due to increased temperatures. Crime will increase due to increased human irritability.
..........It is almost humorous how REALLY BIG this problem is and simultaneously how LITTLE US Government agencies are doing about it. Talk about our grandchildren all we want, but most people don't REALIZE that we are leaving them with an almost UNLIVABLE planet. And people wonder why migrants are moving NORTH (think about THAT) !!!!!!

sounding 12-22-2023 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2284630)
Right, Hollywood is dying to make that Schwarzschild movie. But since someone mentioned CLIMATE, I would just remind people that 2023 was a banner year for climate RECORDS. Because 2023 was the HOTTEST IN RECORDED HISTORY. REAL climate scientists have stated that the next 8 years will continue to be HOTTER and HOTTER worldwide. This morning on TV Dr. Vin Gupta (please Google him) had some VERY dire warnings about human health from the elevated temperatures like 2023. it is even affecting human life spans (negatively). Disease and new disease transmissibility will increase. Asthma will increase due to increased temperatures. Crime will increase due to increased human irritability.
..........It is almost humorous how REALLY BIG this problem is and simultaneously how LITTLE US Government agencies are doing about it. Talk about our grandchildren all we want, but most people don't REALIZE that we are leaving them with an almost UNLIVABLE planet. And people wonder why migrants are moving NORTH (think about THAT) !!!!!!

What climate crisis? How much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year?

spinner1001 12-22-2023 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2284556)
Those who attended the Schwarzschild talk learned that the Schwarzschild Metric describes the gravitational field around black holes ... Schwarzschild metric - Wikipedia ... and that the Schwarzschild Equation describes radiative transfer of energy regarding greenhouse gases ... Schwarzschild's equation for radiative transfer - Wikipedia

@sounding

Thanks for responding. You described ‘what’ but not ‘why’. Why should ordinary people care about the Schwarzschild Equation?

Donegalkid 12-22-2023 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mntlblok (Post 2284548)
Had never googled the guy. Coincidentally had just read up on Maureen O'Hara yesterday. "Festus" was his SIL for a while. :-) Lots of fun new info in the (*long*) Wikipedia article. And, now know that Wilhelm Fried Fuchs (Fried Vilmos) is the ultimate namesake of that eponymous channel. Also reminded me of recently having read the fascinating story of Carole Lombard. Might've previously thought that he and John Huston were the same guy. :-) He made Rear Admiral! Learnt that Star Trek kinda developed out of Wagon Train.

Ha. Someone can do research. Bingo. Bull Feeney aka John Martin Feeney aka Hollywood legend John Ford. From Portland Maine; born 1894. My grandfather (b. 1896) and Feeney (Ford) were members of an Irish youth gang circa 1910s whose domain was the docks of Portland Harbor. Tough lads. Feeney eventually made it west to Hollywood. The rest is film history.

*The film “The Quiet Man reflects his fascination and pride in his Irish immigrant roots. The protagonist, Sean Thornton — boxer — by John Wayne, is an alter ego for Ford (Sean being an Irish equivalent of John).
Ford did love boxers, and that's part of the appeal of Victor McLaglen, who won an Oscar for The Informer, and who then appeared Wayne Ford in mostly comic roles in Ford's cavalry trio. Clearly, there was a love of the gusto and camaraderie in saloons-preferably frequented by Irish and Irish immigrants, which he grew up with in Portland where his father owned a bar.”

"I like the old masters, by which I mean John Ford, John Ford, and John Ford."
-Orson Welles

*Source: Portland Monthly, February/March 2018

sounding 12-22-2023 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by spinner1001 (Post 2284654)
@sounding

Thanks for responding. You described ‘what’ but not ‘why’. Why should ordinary people care about the Schwarzschild Equation?

Guess why the public is familiar with Einstein's (E=mc2) equation, but not Schwarzschild's equation? Even though Schwarzschild's equation is the defining science describing greenhouse gas warming (and cooling) ... the public has never heard of it. This equation sits at the heart of the so-called "climate crisis" ... and yet the media ignores it. I wonder why.

jimjamuser 12-22-2023 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sounding (Post 2284672)
Guess why the public is familiar with Einstein's (E=mc2) equation, but not Schwarzschild's equation? Even though Schwarzschild's equation is the defining science describing greenhouse gas warming (and cooling) ... the public has never heard of it. This equation sits at the heart of the so-called "climate crisis" ... and yet the media ignores it. I wonder why.

The media is mostly ignoring the fact that there IS a "climate crisis". 2023 is the HOTTEST on record. And the last 7 years have been getting increasingly HOTTER. This is NOT hearsay, theory, or hypothesis. It IS actual temperature MEASUREMENTS all over the Earth. The US and other nations should be working on how to COMBAT this warming, NOT listening to naysayers. NOT debating which overseas war the US should support. Man is losing it's war with mother nature of our Earth. People have trouble seeing Global Warming because it happens SLOWLY like a frog in a slowly boiling pan of water. We NEED solutions, not naysayers.

fdpaq0580 12-22-2023 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2284690)
The media is mostly ignoring the fact that there IS a "climate crisis". 2023 is the HOTTEST on record. And the last 7 years have been getting increasingly HOTTER. This is NOT hearsay, theory, or hypothesis. It IS actual temperature MEASUREMENTS all over the Earth. The US and other nations should be working on how to COMBAT this warming, NOT listening to naysayers. NOT debating which overseas war the US should support. Man is losing it's war with mother nature of our Earth. People have trouble seeing Global Warming because it happens SLOWLY like a frog in a slowly boiling pan of water. We NEED solutions, not naysayers.

Well said!

golfing eagles 12-22-2023 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2284690)
The media is mostly ignoring the fact that there IS a "climate crisis". 2023 is the HOTTEST on record. And the last 7 years have been getting increasingly HOTTER. This is NOT hearsay, theory, or hypothesis. It IS actual temperature MEASUREMENTS all over the Earth. The US and other nations should be working on how to COMBAT this warming, NOT listening to naysayers. NOT debating which overseas war the US should support. Man is losing it's war with mother nature of our Earth. People have trouble seeing Global Warming because it happens SLOWLY like a frog in a slowly boiling pan of water. We NEED solutions, not naysayers.

You are correct that "global warming occurs slowly"---in repetitive cycles of about 100,000 YEARS. All without any influence by humans. (It is the only part of your post that is correct)

Topspinmo 12-22-2023 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2284630)
Right, Hollywood is dying to make that Schwarzschild movie. But since someone mentioned CLIMATE, I would just remind people that 2023 was a banner year for climate RECORDS. Because 2023 was the HOTTEST IN RECORDED HISTORY. REAL climate scientists have stated that the next 8 years will continue to be HOTTER and HOTTER worldwide. This morning on TV Dr. Vin Gupta (please Google him) had some VERY dire warnings about human health from the elevated temperatures like 2023. it is even affecting human life spans (negatively). Disease and new disease transmissibility will increase. Asthma will increase due to increased temperatures. Crime will increase due to increased human irritability.
..........It is almost humorous how REALLY BIG this problem is and simultaneously how LITTLE US Government agencies are doing about it. Talk about our grandchildren all we want, but most people don't REALIZE that we are leaving them with an almost UNLIVABLE planet. And people wonder why migrants are moving NORTH (think about THAT) !!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1HggcfnHpo

On your bicycle again I see.


“ Disease and new disease transmissibility will increase“ especially man made lab generated viruses . We know why migrants are moving north, it has nothing to do with weather.

Decadeofdave 12-22-2023 06:57 PM

Sorry I thought the article was some kind of equation related to Howard Schwartz's
heirs in the villages.

jimjamuser 12-22-2023 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2284693)
You are correct that "global warming occurs slowly"---in repetitive cycles of about 100,000 YEARS. All without any influence by humans. (It is the only part of your post that is correct)

OK so some people believe that Global Warming is NOT caused by mankind. But, I believe that I read that 95% of climate scientists believe that GW IS caused by MAN (AND SPECIFICALLY CO2 pollution). No one is disagreeing that throughout long, LONG term geological time there has been warming and cooling centuries of time. There are fossils of equatorial plants buried in the Arctic zone. I am arguing and repeating climate scientists that are talking about THIS century and really about the last 7 years when climate change has caused increasingly warmer years WORLDWIDE (caused by man). Now we are at the end of 2023 which has been RECORDED as the HOTTEST in recorded history (not geological time, but right now time). No one can deny that 2023 was the record HOTTEST year. No one, no way , no how. That is just what it is ........and we MUST live with that fact and find a SOLUTION. And a part (a subset) of the problem is all of the people scurrying northward from the equator towards and into the US. They are driven northward by the HEAT, which we all know we felt right here in TV land in the summer, which was just part of the WORLDWIDE record HEAT of 2023. Dr Vin Gupta was just on TV this morning going over the BAD HEALTH effects of the 2023 record HEAT (PLEASE GOOGLE THAT)

jimjamuser 12-22-2023 07:09 PM

OK so some people believe that Global Warming is NOT caused by mankind. But, I believe that I read that 95% of climate scientists believe that GW IS caused by MAN (AND SPECIFICALLY CO2 pollution). No one is disagreeing that throughout long, LONG term geological time there has been warming and cooling centuries of time. There are fossils of equatorial plants buried in the Arctic zone. I am arguing and repeating climate scientists that are talking about THIS century and really about the last 7 years when climate change has changed to record after record increasingly warmer years WORLDWIDE (caused by man). Now we are at the end of 2023 which has been RECORDED as the HOTTEST in recorded history (not geological time, but right now time). No one can deny that 2023 was the record HOTTEST year. No one, no way , no how. That is just what it is ........and we MUST live with that fact and find a SOLUTION. And a part (a subset) of the problem is all of the people scurrying northward from the equator towards and into the US. They are driven northward by the HEAT, which we all know we felt right here in TV land in the summer, which was just part of the WORLDWIDE record HEAT of 2023. Dr Vin Gupta was just on TV this morning going over the BAD HEALTH effects of the 2023 record HEAT (PLEASE GOOGLE THAT)

Topspinmo 12-22-2023 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Decadeofdave (Post 2284703)
Sorry I thought the article was some kind of equation related to Howard Schwartz's
heirs in the villages.

O no! bring up the developers will ensure another 100 post praising them.

barbara828 12-22-2023 08:55 PM

Climate has changed since there was atmosphere. We're coming out of the Ice Age.

sounding 12-22-2023 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2284690)
The media is mostly ignoring the fact that there IS a "climate crisis". 2023 is the HOTTEST on record. And the last 7 years have been getting increasingly HOTTER. This is NOT hearsay, theory, or hypothesis. It IS actual temperature MEASUREMENTS all over the Earth. The US and other nations should be working on how to COMBAT this warming, NOT listening to naysayers. NOT debating which overseas war the US should support. Man is losing it's war with mother nature of our Earth. People have trouble seeing Global Warming because it happens SLOWLY like a frog in a slowly boiling pan of water. We NEED solutions, not naysayers.

WHAT climate crisis. How much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year? It must be zero because there's never an answer. Silence is golden.

golfing eagles 12-22-2023 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2284707)
OK so some people believe that Global Warming is NOT caused by mankind. But, I believe that I read that 95% of climate scientists believe that GW IS caused by MAN (AND SPECIFICALLY CO2 pollution). No one is disagreeing that throughout long, LONG term geological time there has been warming and cooling centuries of time. There are fossils of equatorial plants buried in the Arctic zone. I am arguing and repeating climate scientists that are talking about THIS century and really about the last 7 years when climate change has caused increasingly warmer years WORLDWIDE (caused by man). Now we are at the end of 2023 which has been RECORDED as the HOTTEST in recorded history (not geological time, but right now time). No one can deny that 2023 was the record HOTTEST year. No one, no way , no how. That is just what it is ........and we MUST live with that fact and find a SOLUTION. And a part (a subset) of the problem is all of the people scurrying northward from the equator towards and into the US. They are driven northward by the HEAT, which we all know we felt right here in TV land in the summer, which was just part of the WORLDWIDE record HEAT of 2023. Dr Vin Gupta was just on TV this morning going over the BAD HEALTH effects of the 2023 record HEAT (PLEASE GOOGLE THAT)

Wow----ONE hot year out of the last 4 million----yep, I'd go with that as scientific evidence :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

sounding 12-22-2023 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2284708)
OK so some people believe that Global Warming is NOT caused by mankind. But, I believe that I read that 95% of climate scientists believe that GW IS caused by MAN (AND SPECIFICALLY CO2 pollution). No one is disagreeing that throughout long, LONG term geological time there has been warming and cooling centuries of time. There are fossils of equatorial plants buried in the Arctic zone. I am arguing and repeating climate scientists that are talking about THIS century and really about the last 7 years when climate change has changed to record after record increasingly warmer years WORLDWIDE (caused by man). Now we are at the end of 2023 which has been RECORDED as the HOTTEST in recorded history (not geological time, but right now time). No one can deny that 2023 was the record HOTTEST year. No one, no way , no how. That is just what it is ........and we MUST live with that fact and find a SOLUTION. And a part (a subset) of the problem is all of the people scurrying northward from the equator towards and into the US. They are driven northward by the HEAT, which we all know we felt right here in TV land in the summer, which was just part of the WORLDWIDE record HEAT of 2023. Dr Vin Gupta was just on TV this morning going over the BAD HEALTH effects of the 2023 record HEAT (PLEASE GOOGLE THAT)

Just 95% believe? During the Little Ice Age 100% of the scientists believed witches caused global cooling. "Beliefs" support religions. Data supports science. So let's try some data ... how much did "man-made" CO2 warm the earth last year ... ?

jimjamuser 12-23-2023 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by barbara828 (Post 2284722)
Climate has changed since there was atmosphere. We're coming out of the Ice Age.

That certainly MAY be true. I don't really know or CARE. What i DO know is that 2023 was the HOTTEST on recorded history and I notice that the naysayers about climate DANCE AROUND that fact. Facts have a way of NOT lying.


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