[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Pepperhead

Yes. I made the same mistake while working for J.R. Carpenter, a former PGA president, and he cleared it up in a hurry.

The Difference Between the PGA of America and PGA Tour | 2009 Senior PGA Championship

Thanks for posting that, but can this be correct;

The PGA Tour hosts 47 events annually and is made up of three tours: The PGA Tour, the Champions Tour — for those professionals over the age of 50, and the Nationwide Tour — for those professionals who have not qualified for their Tour card or did not play well enough to remain on the Tour.

The PGA Tour holds only 47 events between all three tours? Seems like it's a lot more, but I could be wrong.

Something that is not mentioned is that most of the PGA Tour players have also secured their PGA of America cards (It was once a requirement for playing on the PGA Tour. Not sure if it still is) and that the PGA of American has a representative from the PGA Tour on it's Board of Directors.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by PennBF

I know I am going to take a lot of heat on this but have we lost our moral compass by honoring a person who destroyed the golf images to the young people starting to play golf and not respecting the youth who wait for his autograph only to be ignored. At what point are there consequences for these acts. It would appear that sportsmanship, respect for the game and its historic high sports standards have been sacrificed for just "playing the game". A number of baseball players paid the consequences for violating standards but not golf. What a terrible image for our youth. Golf is much more than playing the game. It stands for honesty, integrity, respect for the game, etc. etc.

I think that what baseball players did directly affected there game. In fact they were basically cheating at their game. Tiger cheated in his personal life. Although I agree, he did set a very bad example for today's youth, we can still honor him for his accomplishments on the golf course and berate him for his actions off. But, the PGA Player of the year award simply acknowledges his accomplishments on the golf course.

If a MLB player hit 100 home runs and it was found that he was using illegal drugs to help him do it, the Home Run Crown might not be awarded to him. If on the other hand a player hits 100 home runs and he and his wife divorce because he was found to be cheating, I believe that he would still receive the trophy for the home runs.

Tiger paid a lot of consequences on and off the course for his actions. Off the course obviously, he lost his family and everything that that entails. In the world of golf, many sponsors dropped him and he lost a lot of income. True, some sponsors stood by him and other's picked him up, but he still lost millions because of his behavior.

And no one can say this for sure, but I believe that the whole incident with his wife affected the mental part of his game. He did not win for quite a while after that. You could see that his mental state was not good. He did get back to his winning ways, but as has been pointed out time and time again, he has not won a major since the episode with his wife.

In addition to that, many of his once adoring fans agree with your opinion. While many still regard him as a great golfer, many who once thought of him as an impeccable human, being no longer do. So in effect, his value to some sponsors is not what it once was.

I think that Tiger has paid dearly for his action.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by PennBF

I know I am going to take a lot of heat on this but have we lost our moral compass by honoring a person who destroyed the golf images to the young people starting to play golf and not respecting the youth who wait for his autograph only to be ignored. At what point are there consequences for these acts. It would appear that sportsmanship, respect for the game and its historic high sports standards have been sacrificed for just "playing the game". A number of baseball players paid the consequences for violating standards but not golf. What a terrible image for our youth. Golf is much more than playing the game. It stands for honesty, integrity, respect for the game, etc. etc.

I would ask what right do we have to judge the moral value of others. I keep my nose in my own business. I have been instructed by god not to judge others so I don't. Tiger is the best golfer in the world and as a golfer myself, I enjoy watching him play and would like to do that without a stranger telling me he is no good. We all have the right to think what we do, but when you pee in someone else's wheaties its wrong. This thread is simply pointing out the accomplishments of a very talented athlete. I like him, I accept his apology and wish to enjoy his skill on the course.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by PennBF

I know I am going to take a lot of heat on this but have we lost our moral compass by honoring a person who destroyed the golf images to the young people starting to play golf and not respecting the youth who wait for his autograph only to be ignored. At what point are there consequences for these acts. It would appear that sportsmanship, respect for the game and its historic high sports standards have been sacrificed for just "playing the game". A number of baseball players paid the consequences for violating standards but not golf. What a terrible image for our youth. Golf is much more than playing the game. It stands for honesty, integrity, respect for the game, etc. etc.

I agree. We can judge since he is a public person, holding himself out as a role model. He takes sponsor dollars and holds himself out to the public. Let's celebrate real people doing real things.............Thank you USA Military!!!

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

I agree. We can judge since he is a public person, holding himself out as a role model. He takes sponsor dollars and holds himself out to the public. Let's celebrate real people doing real things.............Thank you USA Military!!!

But no one is celebrating him as a person. This conversation began because he was awarded the PGA Tour Player of the year. He was simply given an award stating that he was the best player on the PGA Tour this year. I don't think that anyone is celebrating anything else.

[deltaguy]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

But no one is celebrating him as a person. This conversation began because he was awarded the PGA Tour Player of the year. He was simply given an award stating that he was the best player on the PGA Tour this year. I don't think that anyone is celebrating anything else.

The award celebrates his golf accomplishments. That's all there is to it. Any other comments have no bearing on his golf ability. Were The Beatles all celibate and upstanding citizens? Perhaps you should not be their advocate either?

[rubicon]

I am not casting the first stone.....Three times during this playing season decisions tiger made had been questioned the last one recently wherein he claimed his ball moved back in place. He was given a two stroke penalty. A number of golf commentators played it down but it was clear from their comments that re-plays of the event made it clear the ball moved. It wasn't a Bobby Jones moment.

The news media fawn over Woods and the PGA allows it because they value ratings/ cash receipts. However, in my mind it detracts from so many excellent players that it hurts golf. I feel the same way about any other sport or player. The sport should be more than just a player.

Beside which Woods pouted through the season while on the cour unlike Jim Furyk who suffered in silence

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by deltaguy

The award celebrates his golf accomplishments. That's all there is to it. Any other comments have no bearing on his golf ability. Were The Beatles all celibate and upstanding citizens? Perhaps you should not be their advocate either?

I think that you are I are saying the same thing.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by rubicon

I am not casting the first stone.....Three times during this playing season decisions tiger made had been questioned the last one recently wherein he claimed his ball moved back in place. He was given a two stroke penalty. A number of golf commentators played it down but it was clear from their comments that re-plays of the event made it clear the ball moved. It wasn't a Bobby Jones moment.

The news media fawn over Woods and the PGA allows it because they value ratings/ cash receipts. However, in my mind it detracts from so many excellent players that it hurts golf. I feel the same way about any other sport or player. The sport should be more than just a player.

Beside which Woods pouted through the season while on the cour unlike Jim Furyk who suffered in silence

There were two instances that Johnny Miller has made a huge deal over. No other commentators have made any kind of big deal about them once they saw that Tiger was right and Miller was wrong. Miller also complained about the officials when it became clear that they had applied the rules to the letter.

In the third instance, Tiger felt that his ball oscillated and returned to it's original position. If I'm not mistaken, video has shown that he was incorrect. He took his punishment and didn't have anything else to say about it except when asked by news people trying to get something where there is nothing.

[Pepperhead]

I don't care anything about Tiger Wood's off course escapades. Here is why I don't like him. In 1999, he flew into Germany after receiving a one million dollar appearance fee to play in the Deutche Bank tournament in Heidelberg. A public affairs officer from Ramstein AB asked if Tiger would take a short drive to talk to the troops. The response from Wood's agent/manager was that he would do it for $20K. The military couldn't make that happen, but Mark O'Meara and Hank Haney said they would come for free and they did. They put on a demo on the 18th hole at Woodlawn Golf Course and spent several hours there. They hit a number of shots, then conducted a clinic, calling up a couple dozen of us to analyze our swings and give us tips. Yes, I got the info about Wood's response secondhand, but I got it from the Director of Golf Operations at Woodlawn and am satisfied that it is true.

[Pepperhead]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

There were two instances that Johnny Miller has made a huge deal over. No other commentators have made any kind of big deal about them once they saw that Tiger was right and Miller was wrong. Miller also complained about the officials when it became clear that they had applied the rules to the letter.

In the third instance, Tiger felt that his ball oscillated and returned to it's original position. If I'm not mistaken, video has shown that he was incorrect. He took his punishment and didn't have anything else to say about it except when asked by news people trying to get something where there is nothing.

Johnny Miller. Groan. Often claims he can tell which grooves contacted the ball just by hearing the shot. Never misses an opportunity to bring up his 63 at the US Open in 1973.

[Golfingnut]

A positive turned into a negative for some very lame reasons. This thread had nothing to do with morality. It is all about golf talent. Any idiot knows that top athletes from every sport have done this for years. I see these attacks on Tiger as a disguise for the truth. It is real obvious that some lean more on one sector of our society than others.

[capecodbob]

Woods might be player of the year but he's the jerk of the century for squandering the respect he had as a person. He will be forgiven but not forgotten.
He is a lesson to young people...a very sad lesson!

Bob

[deltaguy]

Originally Posted by capecodbob

Woods might be player of the year but he's the jerk of the century for squandering the respect he had as a person. He will be forgiven but not forgotten.
He is a lesson to young people...a very sad lesson!

Bob

Young people, especially those who have benefitted from his charitable foundations, the First Tee etc, wouldn't have a clue what you are talking about. Suspect you don't either!

[Pepperhead]

Originally Posted by capecodbob

Woods might be player of the year but he's the jerk of the century

Bob

Like I said, I don't like him, but he isn't the jerk of the century. He isn't even the biggest jerk in golf. Rory Sabbatini has that nailed down.