[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

Amazon did something similar like this and it cost them $61 million in wage reimbursement it’s offsetting the labor cost of employer the servers won’t be making $6.85 hourly!
“ At the start of the Amazon Flex program, the company paid drivers at least $18 per hour plus 100% of customer tips. But in late 2016, the FTC says Amazon made secret changes to the program without telling drivers or customers. Rather than passing 100% of tips on to drivers, Amazon pocketed about a third of each tip to offset the guaranteed minimum Amazon promised to drivers. As the complaint explains it, “[F]or a one-hour block offering $18-$25, if Amazon’s base rate in the particular location was $12, and the customer left a $6 tip for the driver, then Amazon paid the driver only $12 and used the full customer tip of $6 to reach its minimum payment of $18 to the driver.” In other words, despite representations to drivers and customers, Amazon took a sizable portion of the tips customers expressly earmarked for drivers and used the money to reduce its own labor costs.”

It sounds like a different situation. I don't think Amazon drivers qualify as "tipped" employees per the IRS definition. Tipped employees are those who regularly receive a substantial portion of their income in the form of tips, like restaurant servers. But, as a general rule, when a customer gives a tip to an employee, the tip is the property of the employee, not the employer.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by Keefelane66

No server is worth a 30-35% tip!

When you go to Katie Belle's and order a Diet Coke, you should leave a 100% tip.

[montagnard1969]

The best way to tip is to give cash as this way it goes directly to the server without taxation. They put the cash into a pool or in their pocket without the IRS sticking their hand in the workers pocket every minute.

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by montagnard1969

The best way to tip is to give cash as this way it goes directly to the server without taxation. They put the cash into a pool or in their pocket without the IRS sticking their hand in the workers pocket every minute.

I don't support assisting people to cheat on their taxes. Tipped employees already get a favorable tax treatment by paying income tax on only 8 percent of the restaurant gross sales, even though they usually receive more than that in tips.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by montagnard1969

The best way to tip is to give cash as this way it goes directly to the server without taxation. They put the cash into a pool or in their pocket without the IRS sticking their hand in the workers pocket every minute.

Why would you encourage people to cheat on their taxes? Or is that ok in your book?

[montagnard1969]

Another poster wrote she asked the servers wages and was told the server was paid $6.85 per hour. Consider below:
Did you ask her the value of her tips are for a complete schedule of work, whether 6,5,4 or 3 days per week? If she has good repeat customers she can easily double that figure. If she provides courteous, prompt service [allowing for the kitchen being inundated with orders at the same time] servers can make double or triple the "actual wages" they receive from their employer. If the employer allows them to keep all their own tips [not pooling them with all the other servers and divided up at the end of their shift or day] then it is possible to make a reasonable wage [I didn’t say livable wage depending on housing expenses where they live] as a server.
In my life experience I have had personal friends go to college and while in school, work as a bartender or meal server. When they graduated college some of them stayed in their college job because the entry level wage for their college education was well below what they were earning in their college job.
Please consider the mandatory [after 5 years of annual implementation] of the $15 minimum wage law going into effect in Florida and other states. The industry in general have already figured out a work around for this. They will only hire part time workers whom the law will exempt under its statute. The fast food industry has been experimenting with automated robotic food preparation systems which will augment their part time workforce. Overall everything seeks its own level and this situation will do the same.
Good servers deserve good tips for their efforts. I reward based on personality [friendly, courteous] quality of service [attentive, responsive to requests]. 10% poor, 15% quality, 20% outstanding. Personally tipping in the US has gotten completely out of hand. When I worked in a trade, we received no tips. Now these so-called experts are telling us we need to tip for things like having furniture delivered, dry cleaning service, self-service counter help, mail delivery, etcetera. Sorry folks, if you want a better wage get training in a better paying field, learn an in demand skill, go back to school part time or enroll in a training program. Low wage jobs were never intended to be a career, much less a “living wage” position.

[Nick B]

Originally Posted by davem4616

i always take off the tax amount before calculating the tip amount @20%

this will be something else that I'll take off before calculating the tip amount

So on a $50 dollar bill tax $3.50 you saved $0.70? Bless your heart.

[Nick B]

Originally Posted by montagnard1969

Another poster wrote she asked the servers wages and was told the server was paid $6.85 per hour. Consider below:
Did you ask her the value of her tips are for a complete schedule of work, whether 6,5,4 or 3 days per week? If she has good repeat customers she can easily double that figure. If she provides courteous, prompt service [allowing for the kitchen being inundated with orders at the same time] servers can make double or triple the "actual wages" they receive from their employer. If the employer allows them to keep all their own tips [not pooling them with all the other servers and divided up at the end of their shift or day] then it is possible to make a reasonable wage [I didn’t say livable wage depending on housing expenses where they live] as a server.
In my life experience I have had personal friends go to college and while in school, work as a bartender or meal server. When they graduated college some of them stayed in their college job because the entry level wage for their college education was well below what they were earning in their college job.
Please consider the mandatory [after 5 years of annual implementation] of the $15 minimum wage law going into effect in Florida and other states. The industry in general have already figured out a work around for this. They will only hire part time workers whom the law will exempt under its statute. The fast food industry has been experimenting with automated robotic food preparation systems which will augment their part time workforce. Overall everything seeks its own level and this situation will do the same.
Good servers deserve good tips for their efforts. I reward based on personality [friendly, courteous] quality of service [attentive, responsive to requests]. 10% poor, 15% quality, 20% outstanding. Personally tipping in the US has gotten completely out of hand. When I worked in a trade, we received no tips. Now these so-called experts are telling us we need to tip for things like having furniture delivered, dry cleaning service, self-service counter help, mail delivery, etcetera. Sorry folks, if you want a better wage get training in a better paying field, learn an in demand skill, go back to school part time or enroll in a training program. Low wage jobs were never intended to be a career, much less a “living wage” position.

Says who? Where is this written?

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by montagnard1969

Another poster wrote she asked the servers wages and was told the server was paid $6.85 per hour. Consider below:
Did you ask her the value of her tips are for a complete schedule of work, whether 6,5,4 or 3 days per week? If she has good repeat customers she can easily double that figure. If she provides courteous, prompt service [allowing for the kitchen being inundated with orders at the same time] servers can make double or triple the "actual wages" they receive from their employer. If the employer allows them to keep all their own tips [not pooling them with all the other servers and divided up at the end of their shift or day] then it is possible to make a reasonable wage [I didn’t say livable wage depending on housing expenses where they live] as a server.
In my life experience I have had personal friends go to college and while in school, work as a bartender or meal server. When they graduated college some of them stayed in their college job because the entry level wage for their college education was well below what they were earning in their college job.
Please consider the mandatory [after 5 years of annual implementation] of the $15 minimum wage law going into effect in Florida and other states. The industry in general have already figured out a work around for this. They will only hire part time workers whom the law will exempt under its statute. The fast food industry has been experimenting with automated robotic food preparation systems which will augment their part time workforce. Overall everything seeks its own level and this situation will do the same.
Good servers deserve good tips for their efforts. I reward based on personality [friendly, courteous] quality of service [attentive, responsive to requests]. 10% poor, 15% quality, 20% outstanding. Personally tipping in the US has gotten completely out of hand. When I worked in a trade, we received no tips. Now these so-called experts are telling us we need to tip for things like having furniture delivered, dry cleaning service, self-service counter help, mail delivery, etcetera. Sorry folks, if you want a better wage get training in a better paying field, learn an in demand skill, go back to school part time or enroll in a training program. Low wage jobs were never intended to be a career, much less a “living wage” position.

Very well said

[Get real]

Darrells' Diner charges a .50 service charge.

[Get real]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Why would you encourage people to cheat on their taxes? Or is that ok in your book?

It used to not be....but now I'm not so sure.

[Babubhat]

Finding it easier to use Doordash. Often less expensive with all the promotions. Same food, less hassle

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Get real

Darrells' Diner charges a .50 service charge.

50 cents? What is the point of that?

[Babubhat]

Originally Posted by montagnard1969

The best way to tip is to give cash as this way it goes directly to the server without taxation. They put the cash into a pool or in their pocket without the IRS sticking their hand in the workers pocket every minute.

Doesn’t work that way. Read the IRS guidance

IRS Offers Tips about Tips | Internal Revenue Service

[BamaBoy451]

Originally Posted by Tuly914

Just recently I ordered takeout from a restaurant not in TV. When I got home, I noticed on the receipt, I was charged a service fee. Being curious, I called the restaurant and questioned it. I was told they are now charging a service fee for using a credit card whether dining in or taking out. So an eggplant hero which was $10, cost me in the end $15 after the CC service fee and a jar tip. Always ask for a receipt, and question any extra charges they don't tell you about....

The most I've paid for a service fee for using a credit card at any of the restaurants around here was 37 cents regardless of the amount of the bill. To my understanding restaurants used to absorb that as a cost of doing business but during and after covid and the present economic situation, they no longer can.