[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Depends upon what the rich guy over there is already paying.

Matters to the rich guy, not to the poor guy. Whatever the rich guy is paying he can still afford the personal chef, the yacht, and the fuel. Whatever the rich guy is paying the poor guy still cannot afford food or health care. The rich guy is going to feel ill-used as long as he is paying more than the poor guy. The poor guy isn't going to give a hoot about what the rich guy feels as long as the poor guy doesn't have enough to survive.

I guess it might matter to us based on our impression of where we exist on the line between the poor guy and the rich guy. To paraphrase something I saw on the internet, I may or may not be two missed paychecks from being the poor guy but I am absolutely not two extra paychecks from hiring a personal chef and owning a yacht. We might think we should feel for the rich guy because some day we might have to pay that too while in reality we ought to watch out for the poor guy because, if anything, we are more likely to be in his shoes. And besides, it's the decent thing to do.

[fdpaq0580]

I wonder, what would Jesus say about us and our answers? Somehow I can't imagine He would support a flat tax system in a society that tolerates such an unbelievable difference between the haves and have nots.

[mraines]

Originally Posted by stratmax

Have you noticed the food prices in restaurants have gone up dramatically. I'm not sure everybody knows this but last fall, 2024. Florida enacted a law mandating restaurants pay a base wage of $9.98 to their wait staff and a guarantee of $13/hour when combined with the tips.The law gave restaurants time to change their menu prices so they could pay the base wage.
So, why are we continuing to pay 20% tip when there is already a built in tip in the menu prices?
NOTE: the base wage is also going to go up to $10.98 this fall

Could you survive on $9.98/hr? Plus, they have to wait on entitled Villagers.

[mraines]

Originally Posted by Whatnext

I worked as a first responder for many years. No one ever tipped us for saving their lives.

No one ever tipped me for doing my job either but I was paid a fair wage. Sad for you.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by mraines

Could you survive on $9.98/hr? Plus, they have to wait on entitled Villagers.

No one is forcing people to take that particular job. I seem to remember that most of the wait staff used to be part-timers. You take a gig and it doesn’t pay enough, you move on.

[Road-Runner]

Starting at 13, I've worked all my life including the first 7-8 years in kitchen/serving/bartending positions at two different country clubs. Both of our kids have served and bartended as starter jobs. We're comfortable enough but if we choose to go out at a restaurant, we order knowing we'll add 20% for good service. Only lately have we started adding less tip when we get especially bad service. 20% is the default or we don't go out to eat.

[biker1]

Not $9.98/hr. Tipped employees are guaranteed $13/hr and this is going to $14/hr in September. About 1% of workers are earning minimum wage in Florida.

Originally Posted by mraines

Could you survive on $9.98/hr? Plus, they have to wait on entitled Villagers.

[bopat]

Ok now, listen up. If you don't like your job or your pay, it's up to you to change something.

If you keep doing the same thing and expect something different, you've got a problem.

And if you wait for the government to save you, you've got a bigger problem.

[Rainger99]

I am not sure of the distinction between which employees should be tipped and which should not be tipped.

Currently, the minimum wage in Florida is $13.00 an hour, and the required minimum wage for tipped employees is $9.98. If the tipped employee does not make $3.02 and hour in tips, then the employer must make up the difference so that everyone makes at least $13.00 an hour.

What is the Minimum Wage for Tipped Employees in Florida? (2025)

It appears that $13 an hour is either a living wage or it is not a living wage.

If they all get at least $13 an hour - whether they work at Publix, Aldi, McDonald's, or serving tables at a small cafe in the Villages or in Wildwood or Leesburg or mowing your lawn or operating the gates in the Villages - why do people believe that those serving tables in a restaurant or small cafe deserve to be tipped and the others don't? Are the tipped employees working harder than the other workers?

I was at McDonald's recently and I was impressed at how hard the person at the front counter worked. It was a busy morning and she was taking orders, serving the food, making some coffee drinks, etc. She seemed to be really busy. I really think that she was working harder than some person serving tables at a Country Club in the Villages.

So why don't we tip these people?

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Matters to the rich guy, not to the poor guy. Whatever the rich guy is paying he can still afford the personal chef, the yacht, and the fuel. Whatever the rich guy is paying the poor guy still cannot afford food or health care. The rich guy is going to feel ill-used as long as he is paying more than the poor guy. The poor guy isn't going to give a hoot about what the rich guy feels as long as the poor guy doesn't have enough to survive.

I guess it might matter to us based on our impression of where we exist on the line between the poor guy and the rich guy. To paraphrase something I saw on the internet, I may or may not be two missed paychecks from being the poor guy but I am absolutely not two extra paychecks from hiring a personal chef and owning a yacht. We might think we should feel for the rich guy because some day we might have to pay that too while in reality we ought to watch out for the poor guy because, if anything, we are more likely to be in his shoes. And besides, it's the decent thing to do.

So use taxes as a tool to eliminate poverty? That isn’t what taxes are intended for. They are intended to fund the government that collects them, nothing more or less. They certainly aren’t intended for subjective agendas.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Normal

So use taxes as a tool to eliminate poverty? That isn’t what taxes are intended for. They are intended to fund the government that collects them, nothing more or less. They certainly aren’t intended for subjective agendas.

That has nothing at all to do with what I wrote.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Normal

So use taxes as a tool to eliminate poverty? That isn’t what taxes are intended for. They are intended to fund the government that collects them, nothing more or less. They certainly aren’t intended for subjective agendas.

LOL
Maybe not intended, but certainly done anyway.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by Normal

So use taxes as a tool to eliminate poverty? That isn’t what taxes are intended for. They are intended to fund the government that collects them, nothing more or less. They certainly aren’t intended for subjective agendas.

That may have been the case a long time ago.

Currently, the federal individual income tax is structured so that the poor owe little or no income tax. In addition, tax credits—primarily the earned income tax credit (EITC) and the refundable portion of the child tax credit, called the additional child tax credit (ACTC)—increase the disposable income of many low-income taxpayers who work and have children. This has reduced poverty.

Poverty and the Tax Code : Democracy Journal

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

I was at McDonald's recently and I was impressed at how hard the person at the front counter worked. It was a busy morning and she was taking orders, serving the food, making some coffee drinks, etc. She seemed to be really busy. I really think that she was working harder than some person serving tables at a Country Club in the Villages.

So why don't we tip these people?

The question should be, "why do we tip anyone? "
Obviously, an awful lot of people are making minimum wage and seem to be doing alright. Restranteurs, add $3.02 to servers wages and eliminate tipping for your customers and save them money. Servers no longer have to smooge with customers in hope of making minimum.
Don't get me wrong. I don't hate servers. I do hate the arbitrary practice of tipping. This thread has several examples of people who have no idea who they "should be tipping", or how much. I think the practice is ridiculously out of hand. Either everyone, from president on down works for tips, or no one should. Or, next time you want to let your server know that you appreciate the sandwich and water (with lemon) they they brought you, leave them a nice Hallmark thank you card. Those things are expensive and require thoughtfulness and effort on your part. I'm certain your waiter/waitress will really appreciate your kindness.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

That may have been the case a long time ago.

Currently, the federal individual income tax is structured so that the poor owe little or no income tax. In addition, tax credits—primarily the earned income tax credit (EITC) and the refundable portion of the child tax credit, called the additional child tax credit (ACTC)—increase the disposable income of many low-income taxpayers who work and have children. This has reduced poverty.

Poverty and the Tax Code : Democracy Journal

It also has created a culture where people do not care what things cost as the govt pays the bill.