[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

I would worry that if the server recognizes you as a bad tipper the food you get has ingredients you would not want.

Actions (and refusal to act) have consequences. He has the right not to tip any of his servers. And the proprietor/manager has the right to not serve him if the trade-off is to lose good servers. It's all good.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

I gave a gratuity/gift/tip to the waiter. What he decides to do with it is not any concern of mine, or anyone else. If he is robbed, call a cop or a lawyer. Santa Claus gave me a bb gun. I shot a bird. I'm sure Santa would be disappointed in me, but he isn't responsible. I did it. I made the bad decision. Who make the decision for the waiter what to do with His gift? And, why should we care what job choices others make.

His employer has a say in what is done with the tip.

We don't need to care but we shouldn't make assertions on topics we know very little about.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Actions (and refusal to act) have consequences. He has the right not to tip any of his servers. And the proprietor/manager has the right to not serve him if the trade-off is to lose good servers. It's all good.

Studies show that different ethnic groups tip differently.

As an owner, I would be very reluctant to refuse service to someone because they didn’t tip or tipped poorly. The publicity and social media circus would not be worth it.

The Tipping Divide : NPR

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

So just don't tip, if you find the practice so offensive. It's your right to tip, or not. No one is forcing you to tip. Give the server nothing. I mean they're all getting stinkin filthy rich off their 4-hour shifts, they won't miss your $20 bill once every few months.

Thank you for permission. Your approval matters. Just wish all employees had full pay, not everyone except servers. Just makes no sense to me.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Long thread, needs to go to bed. If you want to be the big tip people, go for it. It one doesn't like tipping, cook at home or dine where tipping isn't necessary. We all don't have to want the same thing.

Where isn't tipping "necessary"?

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

I would worry that if the server recognizes you as a bad tipper the food you get has ingredients you would not want.

Would a professional food server tamper with food entrusted to them to take to the paying customer? Nooooo! ACHOO!.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

His employer has a say in what is done with the tip.

We don't need to care but we shouldn't make assertions on topics we know very little about.

In what way does the employer have a say in what the intended recipient can do with his gift? Please enlighten me. Are threats involved? Is intimidation or bullying involved? Is theft involved?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

In what way does the employer have a say in what the intended recipient can do with his gift? Please enlighten me. Are threats involved? Is intimidation or bullying involved? Is theft involved?

This is where one should do some reading before posting.

The US Department of Labor allows the employer to have a say:

The FLSA allows employers to require employees to share or “pool” tips with other eligible employees.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Where isn't tipping "necessary"?

McDonald’s, Burger King, etc.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

McDonald’s, Burger King, etc.

Fast food for sure and other areas of self service, carryout and any counter ordering where you pick up your own food. It is not my problem if the business is stiffing the cooks and register ringers. I went once where you ordered your own food, got your own beverage and they brought the food to the table, (sandwich joint) that was it and you were to clean off the table and dispose of the trash when you left. The checkout receipt required a predetermined rate schedule for a tip to total the receipt.. 15%, 20% or more if one wanted that. I never went back and they are out of business.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

Studies show that different ethnic groups tip differently.

As an owner, I would be very reluctant to refuse service to someone because they didn’t tip or tipped poorly. The publicity and social media circus would not be worth it.

The Tipping Divide : NPR

LOL. That study is 22 years old. Maybe things have changed since then?

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Long thread, needs to go to bed. If you want to be the big tip people, go for it. It one doesn't like tipping, cook at home or dine where tipping isn't necessary. We all don't have to want the same thing.

29 pages of posts has not resolved the problem of not everyone thinking alike. Maybe another 40 pages will change some opinions.

[jimhoward]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

In what way does the employer have a say in what the intended recipient can do with his gift? Please enlighten me. Are threats involved? Is intimidation or bullying involved? Is theft involved?

At most restaurants server tips are shared with bussers, hosts and bar staff. At a typical restaurant 20% of server tips are "tipped out" Of the 20% tip-out 40% go to bussers, 40% to bartenders and 20% to hosts. So of your tip 80% will go to the server, 8% to the bussers and bartenders, and 4% to the hosts. But those are just typical values. It will vary by restaurant.

At some places you also have food runners, or back-of-the-house wait staff who actually deliver the food to customers. They also share in tips.

If you want your tip to go only to the server, then tip in cash. At many places, it is only credit card tips that are divvied up. Servers keep their cash tips. For me it is the opposite, I want the tip shared, so I generally pay by credit card.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

His employer has a say in what is done with the tip.

We don't need to care but we shouldn't make assertions on topics we know very little about.

Wait a minute, it’s our money in the first place.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by jimhoward

At most restaurants server tips are shared with bussers, hosts and bar staff. At a typical restaurant 20% of server tips are "tipped out" Of the 20% tip-out 40% go to bussers, 40% to bartenders and 20% to hosts. So of your tip 80% will go to the server, 8% to the bussers and bartenders, and 4% to the hosts. But those are just typical values. It will vary by restaurant.

At some places you also have food runners, or back-of-the-house wait staff who actually deliver the food to customers. They also share in tips.

If you want your tip to go only to the server, then tip in cash. At many places, it is only credit card tips that are divvied up. Servers keep their cash tips. For me it is the opposite, I want the tip shared, so I generally pay by credit card.

Yes, my daughter when she worked part time in college, said the same thing. Personally, if I tip, I don’t mind that it is shared with all the people involved in making and serving my food.