I was just curious to see if anyone actually thinks Bush is doing a good job. The polls indicate that the large majority of Americans think he's one of the worst presidents ever, which he is in my opinion.

Economy is in the toilet. We have a war where we are spending billions that could be better spent in this country. We have a congress that only works on special interest items. Bush and the congress seem to care more about everyone else in the world. Forget about the American taxpayer, lousy medical health care. Cost of living going up. Jobs leaving the country.

Thanks for letting me vent.

Let's take a look at what you said.

"I don't think he's the worst President we've ever had." You're welcome to have that opinion, but not too many people, including most conservatives would agree with you. "I don't agree with his stance on illegal immigration" why? His stance is good for big business and if it's good for big business then it's good for big profits. "I don't agree with the prosecution of the war (not the war itself)." That means you believe there were WMD in Iraq. Oh, and yes you don't want any "spending money on social programs like a Democrat." Have you been returning your SS checks, or have you refused Medicare? You also said. "If you're not happy with Congress, remember the majority are Democrats." That may be true, but only for a short time. Look what Bush and his cronies did in eight long years. And you don't think, "The economy is not bad either. People who bought sub-prime mortgages they couldn't afford and didn't have the brains to read the contract they were signing should not be my problem. I have made fiscal mistakes that I didn't go and expect anyone else to bail me out." Maybe you're right, but then we should also not bail out our the failing banks as well. After all, shouldn't those dolts should have been smart enough to see what they were doing to the economy? And finally "If you want socialized medicine and socialized government running your lives, then you should try another country, like Russia." Well, I would then suggest that any of us getting SS and Medicare should lead the way out. Sorry in advance if I think you and the rest of the conservatives are out of step with reality. And as far you believing in the truth, I would ask whose truth is that. It's certainly not mine.

I believe that Bush believes in his principles and I'll give him some credit there.

Some decisions have been wrong and I believe he is mediocre at best, but not the worst.

The economy is a mess, and our energy independence threatens us both militarily and economically, and there is no solution earnestly being pressed for by the govt.

Actually, this wasn't a bash Bush question. I was genuinely curious to see how people in the Villages felt about Bush's record, compared to people in the rest of the country.

English: According to you everything and everyone is uninformed but you! I find that amazing! Maybe you should run for office. I agree with fullrob, stop taking your social security checks and using medicare. Put your money where your mouth is. Just my humble opinion. Oh, and yes, I do think and history will tell, that Bush is indeed the worst president we've ever had.

Let me see hmmmnnnn, he has been President for the last 7 years.....economy is a mess(?) if it is....and I repeat...if it is, hasn't it only been the last maybe 6 months!!!
The media and the political processing is what has talked y'all into a slowdown...if there is one.

Sorry folks my memory isn't good enough to compare past Presidents.
So all I can really say is under our current Presidents term, there have been no additional attacks here at home in the good old USA...along with all the security steps taken here at home, getting involved in Iraq has significantly contributed to that peace (of mind).

Bush is far, far, FAR from the worst President we have ever had. He is unfortunate to have been President during the time in our history where the 24/7 media influences everybody. If the past Presidents you can remember had to deal with the daily crap from the media and special interest groups of today....perhaps they would have fared differently too.

Most opinions from most people these days is nothing more than a one for one amplification of what the media peddles. A source that for the most part is partisan, biased and untrustworthy.

We all are currently suffering from the ongoing drum of the 2008 Presidential race that can only tell us what the other guy did, didn't do, etc., etc....exacerbated by the media.

BTH

As a quick followup to my original posting, and whether or not the question is "relevant" or not, it always appears to me that the opinions posted seem for the most part very conservative. I'm just trying to satisfy my intellectual curiosity - is The Villages a microcosm of society at large, politically speaking, or is it in fact more far to the right than the country at large. That's relevant to me. English, if you don't find a topic relevant, its easy to deal with - just don't post.

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I think all of you Bush bashers should keep this forum in mind and wait for a year from now when Obama or Hillary raise your taxes and put America in a state of socialism with there national healthcare programs where you will never get quality care from your physician anymore, raise your taxes, stop the medicare program and medicare drug coverage and eliminate the social security program for your children and grandchildren.

There will be at least 3 major attacks on our country as a result of leaving the war and allowing the terrorists to destroy our country. Up until now, Bush as prevented this from happening, not the worthless democrats in Congress and the Senate.

Let's take a look a year from now and we will all judge for ourselves how worthless his presidency has been.

PRAY FOR OUR COUNTRY AT A TIME WHEN IT NEEDS IT MOST. BUSH DOES THIS EVERY DAY OF HIS LIFE.

Good grief! Why does everything have to be an attack? How hard is it to have a political opinion that disagrees with yours without basically going into the namecalling rhetoric?

Personally, I'm not a Bush fan (to put it mildly). Well, I've always liked and admired Barbara Bush but not the rest of the family. Do I think he's the worst president EVER? No. Is he one of the best? Nope. I'd put him below average -- some of it his own doing by having poor advisors, some of it just plain poor judgment, some of it media hype.

No matter what, he does not run this country alone. Congress has to take some responsibility. So does our judiciary. They all have a voice in what happens to America. We may not like that voice because it isn't our voice but we need to accept it.

To even try to predict the future of anyone running today is impossible. Many have said they will make changes while running for office. Few have had the power to do so. Our forefathers worked hard to make sure there were checks and balances. Most of the time, these work they way they should -- to prevent any one person or entity to have too much control. Sometimes they get in the way of having good things happen. Whoever is president will have to find a way to work with this Congress. Definitely not an easy thing to do.

When running for president, people really don't have the inside story -- much of it is too confidential to be told to wannabees. They find that when they're in office the things they wanted to do are just not possible, either because of economics, politics or whatever.

No one person should ever get all the credit nor all the blame when it comes to running this country. There are too many outside factors.

Originally Posted by Lil Dancer

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I'm just trying to satisfy my intellectual curiosity - is The Villages a microcosm of society at large, politically speaking, or is it in fact more far to the right than the country at large.
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No, TV is not a microcosm of American society at large. Firstly, it does not have a permanent welfare class as has been created in this country. TV do not have welfare mothers breeding new generation of welfare mothers while contributing nothing to society. On the other end of the economic spectrum, TV does not have the super wealthy class. There may be some few exceptions among residents, but we really don't have the Fortune 500 CEOs, Westchester Country Club members, or Hollywood elite. But approaching either end economically, we do have representation. There are a number of people here who exist solely on Social Security, not an easy task. The Family (the developer ~~ owners and residents) are apparently quite well off and like so many people in similar situations in overall society, they use their wealth entrepreneurially to create a multitude of jobs. Some other residents are very, very comfortable and use their wealth for investments, again providing capital for growth and jobs. The vast majority of us, however, are blatantly middle class with enough money to get by and a bit of a nest egg for emergencies. Many, many TV residents are here only because they were able to sell their homes "up north" for a considerable profit to finance the move here.

Politically, TV is a bit more conservative than the rest of American society, but not that much more so than their socioeconomic peers in that society. Certainly TV has it's lunatic fringe on both wings, but they are here primarily for entertainment value. Occasionally they do succeed in imposing their idiotic ideas on the majority, but are for the most part pretty harmless. However, by eliminating a very large subclass, this allows TV in general to be slightly older, better educated, and wealthier than society. And as any study will demonstrate, the older, more intelligent, and more experienced one is, the more like he/she will be conservative.

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2006/...continue_thri/

I was trying to remember that thing about a democracy lasting only 200 years. I found this column. It's a little something to think about.

Aaaaaugh!!!! I have got to stop giving people homework.

Someone told me to try out Talk of the Villages. So I did. And the first thing I ran into was a Bush basher. What a bummer. I think that first in line for worst president is Jimmy Carter (really nice guy but totally incompetent in his job). Second in line would be Clinton who spent more time on extra-curricula stuff than he did running the country and nearly destroyed our military capability and our economy in the process. George Bush has some faults but he may just go down in history as the "gutsyest" president we have ever had. Just where do you think our country, and the world, might be if Al Core were elected? Did it ever occur to you that we have had no terrorist incidents in our country since 9/11?

Without any negative remarks, if you track the times U.S. holdings, overseas bases or embassies have been attacked in a big way or what they would call successful, the period between is typically 7 to 9 years. It is my belief that, no matter who was President, we would not have been attacked anyway.