[billethkid]

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No fear message sent to the ponderers in Washington.
Question from other threads.....what will it take to inspire/prod/motivate/care enough to take action.
We are being being mocked and laughed at around the world.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by billethkid

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No fear message sent to the ponderers in Washington.
Question from other threads.....what will it take to inspire/prod/motivate/care enough to take action.
We are being being mocked and laughed at around the world.

Of course by now we all know it is verified.

We need leadership now. Lack of is what got us here at present. Our absence in Iraq, and we did not have to leave, our ignoring of Syria (among a few others we have avoided) bring us here. I mention the Iraq and Syria situations only because that is WHY we are where we are.

Trust me....a bit hit is coming, and just my gut says it will be because of our policies toward our borders.

It is nice to be idealistic, but we need realistic leadership. Words are not making any difference...the world is on fire as we speak.

" Leadership is not about the next election, it's about the next generation."

Simon Sinek

[graciegirl]

No words.

Just no words.

His poor mother.

And all of us are in danger.

[kittygilchrist]

What will we say when they go into Israel?

[Patty55]

Originally Posted by kittygilchrist

What will we say when they go into Israel?

I'm thinking they'll say what they're saying now, NOTHING.

[Sable99]

My thoughts and prayers are with his family.

Personally, I think it is past time that America woke up!

[buggyone]

It was posted that our absence in Iraq brought us to this point. How about it was our presence in Iraq that brought us to this point? Why did the US get involved in Iraq in the first place? It was not necessary for our national security.

It got around 4,500 Americans killed, many more thousands mutilated, cost trillions of dollars, and led to the hatred of the US throughout the region.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by buggyone

It was posted that our absence in Iraq brought us to this point. How about it was our presence in Iraq that brought us to this point? Why did the US get involved in Iraq in the first place? It was not necessary for our national security.

It got around 4,500 Americans killed, many more thousands mutilated, cost trillions of dollars, and led to the hatred of the US throughout the region.

Everyone knows what is going on, except for a few, sadly including US govt.
The world is crashing in your door. Wake up.

[chachacha]

people like Brigitte Gabriele and Sean Hannity have been warning about the islamic threat for years!!! politically correct fools call THEM the fanatics....no profiling, allowing radicalization by internet and probably in mosques. did you hear the boos by the liberal democrats in England already clamoring to protect the "rights" of traitorous citizens returning to britain, when their leader Cameron took decisive action? i don't think traitors should be given rights of citizenship once they have fought for the enemy.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by buggyone

It was posted that our absence in Iraq brought us to this point. How about it was our presence in Iraq that brought us to this point? Why did the US get involved in Iraq in the first place? It was not necessary for our national security.

It got around 4,500 Americans killed, many more thousands mutilated, cost trillions of dollars, and led to the hatred of the US throughout the region.

If you have the need to discuss the past Iraq war, I suggest you start another thread to rehash it one more time.

The relevance is that, for what appears to be domestic political concerns, we fled Iraq, NO MATTER HOW WE GOT THERE, then ignored SYria after the infamous "red line".

Point being made is simply that those two actions or inactions are what has allowed this ISIS movement to become what it

I might add that the imigration issue, specifically the border in the southwest has been an issue for a number of years with our country NOT enforcing our laws. This, hopefully, will not come back to haunt us. There are warnings already issued in that area about ISIS and their interest in our borders being so easy to cross. YET, we hear nothing on that.....nothing.

Beating Iraq to death once again is what we have done since 2007 or 2008 and this is what it has wrought

[Bogie Shooter]

"simply", is an over simplification...............

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by buggyone

It was posted that our absence in Iraq brought us to this point. How about it was our presence in Iraq that brought us to this point? Why did the US get involved in Iraq in the first place? It was not necessary for our national security.

It got around 4,500 Americans killed, many more thousands mutilated, cost trillions of dollars, and led to the hatred of the US throughout the region.

If we had a time machine it would there , maybe, could be an opportunity to Monday moring quarterback, vent and change the outcome.

In it's absence we should focus on the here and now and encourage the proponents of do nothing to do their jobs and protect this nation and it's citizens.

Doing something has risks and doing nothing is even worse as only more Americans will surely die......and soon here in the USA.

I do not subscribe to doing nothing when there is a threat as it only benefits the terrorists/murderers/thugs/cowards.

[Rags123]

This is a very uncomfortable position for our country to be in.

In the past, and even now with some, we touted how it is their problem and not our problem thus we should just stay out of it.

For many years, folks have been warning, and when I say years I am talking about right prior to and right after 9/11/2001, that these folks want to kill US...meaning americans.

It is easy to say it is none of our business, but the world is so small now....we are just as open to attack as anyone in the middle east....we cannot take that stance at all.

We need to show leadership and to those who will say, the worlds problems are not the United States problems, I agree, HOWEVER, we are the most powerful and therefore I think have a responsibility to the world to act and we have not. That inaction and lack of leadership has us playing catch up.

It is not too late, and I sure wish there was a magic button for us to push, but it does not exist. I just want us to lock up our border for one....I want us to "get involved" in the world and stop denying our leadership role. Leadership is not always comfortable and easy. I understand how tired we are in this country and I understand we have elections, but as time has worn on, have we not learned how wrong we can be at times.

Just show leadership is all I am asking and especially regarding our border.

[Boudicca]

Ditto, Gracie, his poor mother.

[B767drvr]

Originally Posted by Rags123

We need to show leadership and to those who will say, the worlds problems are not the United States problems, I agree, HOWEVER, we are the most powerful and therefore I think have a responsibility to the world to act and we have not. That inaction and lack of leadership has us playing catch up.

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Just show leadership is all I am asking and especially regarding our border.

I understand your sentiment and others Rags� BUT, the people have spoken (via the ballot box) and the majority of this country voted for a "kinder, gentler, disengaged" president. Our country has not been deceived by our politicians. They are not asleep. Our majority politicians believe in an isolationist foreign policy of "active disengagement". We are living through the effects of this policy.

To continually scold people to wake up, get engaged, take action is futile. Our ELECTED politicians are guiding this country down a predictable path and again one that the majority of citizens VOTED for.