[Rags123]

So when do we close our borders and begin to seriously do some bombing on these guys. We ignored Syria for too long....now they need to be eliminated.

But close those borders..get the militia out of there..enforce the law, so we are not seeing beheadings in a town square in Texas.

They have the head start..let's catch up.


CNN) -- British aid worker David Haines has been executed by ISIS militants, according to a video posted Saturday to a website associated with the group, making him the third Western captive to be killed by the Islamist extremist group in recent weeks."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/13/world/...html?hpt=hp_t1

[Rags123]

Six posts , and nobody but me seems to be concerned about that fact. You know, we better wake up to world. We can tear apart individuals or couples..we can call them guilty of things...we can call people disgusting, but NEVER BRING UP any thing that may hurt anyone's political sensitivity.

I see that....Allowing posters to discuss celebs, athletes or anyone and actually proclaim them guilty of crimes, but a thread about a beheading with more threats to our country gets attacked because someone had their feelings hurt.

[Tennisnut]

Actually, I do not think anyone is surprised at all with announcement of another beheading. ISIS has fully demonstrated at how ruthless they are. However, closing our borders or sending out 100's of bombings is not going to stop these atrocities. However, a worldwide effort including Arab neighbors such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan , Lebanon as well as Turkey will bring aid in bringing peace in this area. I think applying some community organization skills in a worldwide effort may be more effective than a Lone Ranger reactionary effort.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

First of all, a lot of people seem to be thinking that nothing is being done. We don't know that. As President Bush said, this will not be a war where every thing will be out in the open and seen by the American public. I happen to believe that is true. I believe that there are a lot of covert, clandestine operation going on, not only in the Middle East, but in many other places as well.

Secondly, if I'm not mistaken we have fewer illegals coming across our border then we have in a long time. I think that we also are deporting more illegals than any time in our history.

I don't know if we're doing every thing we can but none of us can ever know that. I think that we also need to take a step back and realize that no matter what action we take is not going to show immediate results.

Unfortunately, a lot of us are going to be uncomfortable not knowing what's going on, but that is something that we're all going to have to live with for a long time. Some of us ay prefer that we see ground forces shooting and killing our enemies. Unfortunately if we see that, we're also going to see our brave young soldiers coming home in body bags. No one will be comfortable with that either.

Hopefully we're winning the battles.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by Tennisnut

Actually, I do not think anyone is surprised at all with announcement of another beheading. ISIS has fully demonstrated at how ruthless they are. However, closing our borders or sending out 100's of bombings is not going to stop these atrocities. However, a worldwide effort including Arab neighbors such as Saudi Arabia, Jordan , Lebanon as well as Turkey will bring aid in bringing peace in this area. I think applying some community organization skills in a worldwide effort may be more effective than a Lone Ranger reactionary effort.

Will be careful here....not wanting another post of mine to be altered and used as some sort of sarcastic remark. Politics or current events are taboo..sarcasm is ok.

Also available are all those other folks to be judged...ok to do that for sure.

When red or blue trump red/white/blue and no citizen can offer an opinion on a current event, like a beheading, without being called out or used as just another target of sarcasm, it just makes you wonder a lot.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

First of all, a lot of people seem to be thinking that nothing is being done. We don't know that. As President Bush said, this will not be a war where every thing will be out in the open and seen by the American public. I happen to believe that is true. I believe that there are a lot of covert, clandestine operation going on, not only in the Middle East, but in many other places as well.

Secondly, if I'm not mistaken we have fewer illegals coming across our border then we have in a long time. I think that we also are deporting more illegals than any time in our history.

I don't know if we're doing every thing we can but none of us can ever know that. I think that we also need to take a step back and realize that no matter what action we take is not going to show immediate results.

Unfortunately, a lot of us are going to be uncomfortable not knowing what's going on, but that is something that we're all going to have to live with for a long time. Some of us ay prefer that we see ground forces shooting and killing our enemies. Unfortunately if we see that, we're also going to see our brave young soldiers coming home in body bags. No one will be comfortable with that either.

Hopefully we're winning the battles.

No comment, except you sure read an awful lot into my post..an awful lot.

I might also suggest you do some reading on our borders. Yes, after a lot of screaming it is now tighter, but certainly not secure.

Again, you are discussing with yourself as I never even alluded to what you say. I simple reiterated things I said before on here, and I NEVER criticized anyone...but some see ANY remark as that.

[Tennisnut]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

First of all, a lot of people seem to be thinking that nothing is being done. We don't know that. As President Bush said, this will not be a war where every thing will be out in the open and seen by the American public. I happen to believe that is true. I believe that there are a lot of covert, clandestine operation going on, not only in the Middle East, but in many other places as well.

Secondly, if I'm not mistaken we have fewer illegals coming across our border then we have in a long time. I think that we also are deporting more illegals than any time in our history.

I don't know if we're doing every thing we can but none of us can ever know that. I think that we also need to take a step back and realize that no matter what action we take is not going to show immediate results.

Unfortunately, a lot of us are going to be uncomfortable not knowing what's going on, but that is something that we're all going to have to live with for a long time. Some of us ay prefer that we see ground forces shooting and killing our enemies. Unfortunately if we see that, we're also going to see our brave young soldiers coming home in body bags. No one will be comfortable with that either.

Hopefully we're winning the battles.

I agree!! The definition of insanity, doing the same action and expecting the different outcome. Sacrificing American lives and spending billions without a buy in of the locals is insanity! Thank God we are learning from our past mistakes.

[Tennisnut]

Originally Posted by Rags123

Will be careful here....not wanting another post of mine to be altered and used as some sort of sarcastic remark. Politics or current events are taboo..sarcasm is ok.

Also available are all those other folks to be judged...ok to do that for sure.

When red or blue trump red/white/blue and no citizen can offer an opinion on a current event, like a beheading, without being called out or used as just another target of sarcasm, it just makes you wonder a lot.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I thought your post very relevant for both viewpoints!

[Moderator]

Please stay on topic of the most recent ISIS beheading. A number of posts have been removed for being political, personal, or off topic. Also, any on topic post that quoted a removed post was also removed. If discussion continues to veer off course, the thread will be closed.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Rags123

No comment, except you sure read an awful lot into my post..an awful lot.

I might also suggest you do some reading on our borders. Yes, after a lot of screaming it is now tighter, but certainly not secure.

Again, you are discussing with yourself as I never even alluded to what you say. I simple reiterated things I said before on here, and I NEVER criticized anyone...but some see ANY remark as that.

Not sure what you think that I read into your post. I think that you made it pretty clear that you feel that we're not doing enough about the situation in the Middle East or our borders. All I'm saying is that we don't necessarily know that
that's the case.

[rdhdleo]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

First of all, a lot of people seem to be thinking that nothing is being done. We don't know that. As President Bush said, this will not be a war where every thing will be out in the open and seen by the American public. I happen to believe that is true. I believe that there are a lot of covert, clandestine operation going on, not only in the Middle East, but in many other places as well.

Secondly, if I'm not mistaken we have fewer illegals coming across our border then we have in a long time. I think that we also are deporting more illegals than any time in our history.

I don't know if we're doing every thing we can but none of us can ever know that. I think that we also need to take a step back and realize that no matter what action we take is not going to show immediate results.

Unfortunately, a lot of us are going to be uncomfortable not knowing what's going on, but that is something that we're all going to have to live with for a long time. Some of us ay prefer that we see ground forces shooting and killing our enemies. Unfortunately if we see that, we're also going to see our brave young soldiers coming home in body bags. No one will be comfortable with that either.

Hopefully we're winning the battles.

Well said, totally agree. If everything is put out there for everyone to know where lies the element of surprise to our enemies.

[redwitch]

Rags, how do you propose our borders be closed? Fences don't work. Patrols, which is what we do have at present, work to a limited extent. I understand your fears (not sure I agree but do sympathize) but really not sure what you expect/want to be done. America is huge. If we do somehow manage to close the Southern border, we'd still have all of the water borders and the Northern border. If someone is determined to get here, the odds are they ultimately will.

My fears are from the extremists who are here legally and spewing their hate to the young and disenfranchised. To be able to convince others to kill innocents, to betray their country frightens me to no end. I'm not sure how to identify these slime, but I sure wish someone could and then take them out and put a bullet through their head.

[TheVillageChicken]

Originally Posted by Rags123

So when do we close our borders and begin to seriously do some bombing on these guys. We ignored Syria for too long....now they need to be eliminated.

But close those borders..get the militia out of there..enforce the law, so we are not seeing beheadings in a town square in Texas.

They have the head start..let's catch up.

Unfortunate choice of phrasing?

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by redwitch

Rags, how do you propose our borders be closed? Fences don't work. Patrols, which is what we do have at present, work to a limited extent. I understand your fears (not sure I agree but do sympathize) but really not sure what you expect/want to be done. America is huge. If we do somehow manage to close the Southern border, we'd still have all of the water borders and the Northern border. If someone is determined to get here, the odds are they ultimately will.

My fears are from the extremists who are here legally and spewing their hate to the young and disenfranchised. To be able to convince others to kill innocents, to betray their country frightens me to no end. I'm not sure how to identify these slime, but I sure wish someone could and then take them out and put a bullet through their head.

First, thank you for a levelheaded post. Last evening the actual beheading was secondary to others agenda.

First allow me to share, from Pew Research, the concerns of Americans lest you think I am running around alone saying the sky is falling.

"As President Obama considers executive action to delay the deportation of millions of undocumented immigrants, the public’s priorities for U.S. immigration policy have shifted, with more people favoring a focus on better border security and tougher enforcement of immigration laws."



More Prioritize Border Security in Immigration Debate | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

Then I refer you to a PBS discussion on the issue where DHS talks about the improvements needed, thus as we know with all the screaming from Arizona and Texas for years, the border is NOT secure.


"The Department of Homeland Security is contemplating the most significant restructuring since it was created after the September 11th attacks, in order to better secure the border with Mexico. Devlin Barrett of The Wall Street Journal wrote about it on Thursday, and he join us now from Washington."

To better secure US border with Mexico, DHS considers significant restructuring | PBS NewsHour

Now to add, this heretofore not heard of much threat...

"While the Islamic State group is getting the most attention now, another band of extremists in Syria — a mix of hardened jihadis from Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, and Europe — poses a more direct and imminent threat to the United States, working with Yemeni bomb makers to target US aviation, American officials say."

Al Qaeda cell in Syria could pose threat to US aviation - World - The Boston Globe

My post last evening was frustration as we here how we will make "legal" millions go now "not legal" immigrants in one swoop, which gives them drivers license, etc. in other times, I might want to hear more on that but not now

I assume everyone will think this is political, but adding this comment just to keep all in perspective. I do not support 100% everything said! but we need to look at all perspectives.


"
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) on Thursday warned that terrorists from the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria could infiltrate the United States through the southern border.

"We must also secure our own borders and immigration policy from ISIS infiltration," Paul said in an op-ed in Time magazine that outlined his strategy for dealing with the group.

"Our border is porous, and the administration, rather than acting to protect it, instead ponders unconstitutional executive action, legalizing millions of illegal immigrants," he added."

Paul: Secure border to prevent ISIS


To summarize, I am concerned. This war is about infiltrating, not massive battles, and seems to me we do not stress our borders enough in this time of stopping infiltration.

Not political motivated in any way. I am a citizen with concerns..that is all

[Chi-Town]

Perhaps revisiting the Immigration Control and Reform Act of 1986 can give us guidance towards a solution.