[billethkid]

It seems to me there is a totally unfair and misguided attempt by some special interest groups and media to create a general condition of mistrust with law enforcement in America.

It seems we are continuing to move in the direction of what group can speak the loudest, or get the most media attention with two very concerning aspects.

Complete disregard for whether the allegations are true or not....it just does not seem to matter anymore.

Secondly how can, like it or not, an isolated incident be blown into an across the board condition nation wide?

I personally object to the notion the law enforcement community in general is not to be trusted to do what is right. I also firmly reject that rioting and camera hogging become the new face of the wants and needs of Americans.

My position has nothing to do with who was right or wrong......I like millions upon millions DO NOT HAVE enough credible information (non media or special interest or alarmists like Sharpton/Jackson) to take a stand.

My position is all about the way some few are trying to change, with some success, what we beleive about law enforcement in America!!!!!

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by billethkid

It seems to me there is a totally unfair and misguided attempt by some special interest groups and media to create a general condition of mistrust with law enforcement in America.

It seems we are continuing to move in the direction of what group can speak the loudest, or get the most media attention with two very concerning aspects.

Complete disregard for whether the allegations are true or not....it just does not seem to matter anymore.

Secondly how can, like it or not, an isolated incident be blown into an across the board condition nation wide?

I personally object to the notion the law enforcement community in general is not to be trusted to do what is right. I also firmly reject that rioting and camera hogging become the new face of the wants and needs of Americans.

My position has nothing to do with who was right or wrong......I like millions upon millions DO NOT HAVE enough credible information (non media or special interest or alarmists like Sharpton/Jackson) to take a stand.

My position is all about the way some few are trying to change, with some success, what we beleive about law enforcement in America!!!!!

It appears that what is being created is a society where Police become negotiators, and if they stop someone for any suspicious acts, whether legit or not, they must be aware that if the person is black, then do nothing...negotiate under any and all circumstances. If they resist, allow them to go along their way.

[Tennisnut]

Originally Posted by Rags123

It appears that what is being created is a society where Police become negotiators, and if they stop someone for any suspicious acts, whether legit or not, they must be aware that if the person is black, then do nothing...negotiate under any and all circumstances. If they resist, allow them to go along their way.

I believe that the police are government employees and are held to a hired standard than other employees. When government employees make a mistake, or a perceived mistake by some, it creates a windstorm of controversy and second guessing. For example, in The Stockton Ca bank robbery, 600 bullets were fired by police on public streets of which 10 struck an innocent hostage. Police or government employees are not infallible and subject increased scrutiny whether fair or not.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by Tennisnut

I believe that the police are government employees and are held to a hired standard than other employees. When government employees make a mistake, or a perceived mistake by some, it creates a windstorm of controversy and second guessing. For example, in The Stockton Ca bank robbery, 600 bullets were fired by police on public streets of which 10 struck an innocent hostage. Police or government employees are not infallible and subject increased scrutiny whether fair or not.

So, you mean just live with the rioting, destruction and increased racial tension ??

My point was, for example, the sad case in NY where a choke hold was put on a suspect and he died. The ENTIRE SITUATION should not have happened. Had the suspect, and it matters not what he is a suspect about, simply refused to answer the police or listen to what they wanted him to do. THAT was what happened BEFORE THE ACTUAL INCIDENT.

Same thing in Ferguson. Suspect listens to the police and NOT UNFAIR DEMANDS, and he is alive, the city is not half burned to the ground, etc etc etc.

Keep in mind...if police stop you and you did nothing, you MIGHT be inconvenienced and you might have your feelings hurt, but that is it and any cop who oversteps what he or she does when stopping you is in trouble and you are on your way.

[golf2140]

Millions of police contacts yearly without issues. Just recently in PA two white officers saved a black youth who had shot himself in the face. The did CPR and he is alive today. I didn't see Big O or his buddy Al S say anything.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I saw a photo online yesterday of one of the women protestors in Ferguson holding up a sign saying; (you may not believe this but it's true)

"NO MOTHER SHOULD HAVE TO WORRY THAT EVERY TIME HER SON HOLDS UP A STORE HE WILL BE SHOT"

That pretty much explains the mentality of these people that are protesting. They have been completely brainwashed by some of the special interest groups that when a black kid is shot, it's never justified.

[graciegirl]

If that kid was taught what my kids were taught and what I was taught and what my parents were taught;. "NEVER question the authority of police", he would be alive today. My kids would be dead too, if they shut the car door twice on an officer of the law and punched him several times. Everybody knows that, but apparently not all children are taught that anymore. Along with, don't steal, don't intimidate older smaller people from whom you have stolen and don't come runnin' to me whining about all that character assassination when you act like a fool and get killed.

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I saw a photo online yesterday of one of the women protestors in Ferguson holding up a sign saying; (you may not believe this but it's true)

"NO MOTHER SHOULD HAVE TO WORRY THAT EVERY TIME HER SON HOLDS UP A STORE HE WILL BE SHOT"

That pretty much explains the mentality of these people that are protesting. They have been completely brainwashed by some of the special interest groups that when a black kid is shot, it's never justified.

I saw that too and it turns out to be false. It's a Photoshop change of this photo. click here

If you go to snopes.com there is more on the subject.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

I saw a photo online yesterday of one of the women protestors in Ferguson holding up a sign saying; (you may not believe this but it's true)

"NO MOTHER SHOULD HAVE TO WORRY THAT EVERY TIME HER SON HOLDS UP A STORE HE WILL BE SHOT"

That pretty much explains the mentality of these people that are protesting. They have been completely brainwashed by some of the special interest groups that when a black kid is shot, it's never justified.

Whether the sign is real or not, the mentality of NON law-abiding trash (both white and black) is that their little Johnny of little Sally can do no wrong. In both mine and my wife's careers we have arrested sons and daughters of people we arrested 15+ years ago; so a lot of time it's a generational thing.

[KayakerNC]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

Whether the sign is real or not, the mentality of NON law-abiding trash (both white and black) is that their little Johnny of little Sally can do no wrong. In both mine and my wife's careers we have arrested sons and daughters of people we arrested 15+ years ago; so a lot of time it's a generational thing.

It's the mentality of EVERY parent that their kids can do no wrong (until they do). And the fact that the sign was photo-shopped to promote racism says a lot about who is promoting hatred.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by tomwed

I saw that too and it turns out to be false. It's a Photoshop change of this photo. click here

If you go to snopes.com there is more on the subject.

You're right. I should have researched it a bit further before posting anything. My bad.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by KayakerNC

It's the mentality of EVERY parent that their kids can do no wrong (until they do). And the fact that the sign was photo-shopped to promote racism says a lot about who is promoting hatred.

Could you elaborate on this comment please ? I am not sure what you mean by " says a lot about who is promoting hatred."

Who are you speaking of please !! That is sort of a rash comment to be left with no explanation. I did not see a source for the photo but you must have seen something I did not..so this calls out for some explanation and clarification.

I, for one, am sick of being called names and think if you are going to do it, please be clear about whom and why you are attacking. I know it was not meant for me, but all these generalities need to be clarified.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by gerryann

Seriously????? We're not talking about just ANYONE. We're talking about a bafoon troublemaker called Al Sharpton.......

I agree with you. I was trying to point out to a poster who felt mentioning his name with the President was some kind of "code"....which in street creds means a way to say make a racial remark ! It was not and I am, frankly, sick of every time there is a disagreement or a non starter with someone who is of a different race ends up racist.

You know I, as a white man, disagree with a man who is black, and guess what....NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK but problem is folks like that poster want to make it racial and then blame you .

Amazing and very very non productive.

THIS thread by BTK spoke to the misconceptions, etc about our police and this is how it happens. Thus far, one poster used the key word "code" in essence suggesting the comment about Sharpton being a friend and confidante of the President was meant to be racial. It was not racial....it is TRUE.

Another poster makes a general absolute no specific remark to another about it show who "to promote racism says a lot about who is promoting hatred." without mentioning who that is and to make posters feel guilty about how they feel. This is all over, not just on TOTV and it serves no useful purpose. Attacking another person in such generalities is at the root of all of these problems. Cops are NOT out to shoot young blacks. They are there to enforce the law....and everyone should respect that and listen to them. They CANNOT arrest you, or do anything to you if you have not done anything wrong. The ONLY time we interact with them is when there is trouble. If we listen to them, and in my opinion, they are in charge when they come to the scene of trouble, we are not in fear. Spreading in GENERALITIES the misconception, actually ANY misconception is just plain wrong.

[Jayhawk]

Few want justice. Many want vengeance. They are NOT the same thing.

[Sandtrap328]

Amazing replies.