We hear a lot about the electoral college, but not much about the modern day influence on that body. This is a good read if you really want to know instead of the shrill yelling !

"The right to vote is intended to be a singular privilege of citizenship. But the 1787 Constitutional Convention rejected allowing the people to directly elect their President. The delegates chose instead our Electoral College system, under which 538 electoral votes distributed amongst the states determine the presidential victor. The Electoral College awards one elector for each U.S. Senator, thus 100 of the total, and D.C. gets three electors pursuant to the 23rd Amendment. Those electoral numbers are unaffected by the size of the noncitizen population. The same cannot be said for the remaining 435, more than 80 percent of the total, which represent the members elected to the House."


Now that is the basic premise and most of us already know that, BUT allow for illegal immigrants, voters or not.

"The distribution of these 435 seats is not static: they are reapportioned every ten years to reflect the population changes found in the census. That reallocation math is based on the relative “whole number of persons in each state,” as the formulation in the 14th Amendment has it. When this language was inserted into the U.S. Constitution, the concept of an “illegal immigrant,” as the term is defined today, had no meaning. Thus the census counts illegal immigrants and other noncitizens equally with citizens. Since the census is used to determine the number of House seats apportioned to each state, those states with large populations of illegal immigrants and other noncitizens gain extra seats in the House at the expense of states with fewer such “whole number of persons.”
This math gives strongly Democratic states an unfair edge in the Electoral College."


I KNOW that the professional folks working on campaigns are well aware of this but most of us are not.

Many have said illegal immigrants do in fact alter elections and they do even though they cannot vote.

If you read the entire article is does a bit of analysis of 2016 election as well.

Not as exciting as the candidates attacking each other or posters doing the same but this is the work that professional politicians set their attention to.

Sorry....forgot to give the link.....do not want to get into trouble with the copyright police or laws.

Hillary: Illegal Immigrants Could Elect Clinton - POLITICO Magazine

Is there any doubt in any ones mind what the reason for uncontrolled illegal immigration and lack of enforcement of immigration laws is all about?

Not in my mind, never has been, crystal clear to anyone paying attention.

Originally Posted by Guest

Is there any doubt in any ones mind what the reason for uncontrolled illegal immigration and lack of enforcement of immigration laws is all about?

I believe that the purpose of the electoral votes was to make the election process more expedient, since it was very difficult to gather all the votes for counting. The distance, plus the mode of travel (horse power) would have made individual counting of votes a long process, taking weeks or even months. We really have no need for electoral votes now. That process should have been discontinued a long time ago.

Originally Posted by Guest

I believe that the purpose of the electoral votes was to make the election process more expedient, since it was very difficult to gather all the votes for counting. The distance, plus the mode of travel (horse power) would have made individual counting of votes a long process, taking weeks or even months. We really have no need for electoral votes now. That process should have been discontinued a long time ago.

Actually, this is NOT correct.

If you read the link provided it is pretty clear on the why and also the WHY this illegal immigrant facet is a new wrinkle.

Founding Fathers just did not trust true democracy.

This shows you that the Democratic candidate will win the Presidency in 2016. Just give up now and accept that the the next President will be Hillary Clinton.

Originally Posted by Guest

This shows you that the Democratic candidate will win the Presidency in 2016. Just give up now and accept that the the next President will be Hillary Clinton.

At least Hilary won't have to worry about what she plans to wear. Her ankle bracelet along with the orange jump suit will suit her perfectly. After all, you know that orange is the new black, right?

My understanding of the original purpose for construction of an Electoral College was to prevent more populous states gaining a disproportionate advantage electing a president. Has the intent and purpose really changed after two centuries?

The link provided by the OP should reinforce the need and desirability of strict voter ID laws. Unless or until this nation can provide a fool proof measure of no voter fraud we will never be able to obstensibly choose by popular vote. Even stained fingers won't do it

Voting is a privilege and the most important contribution a citizen can give to his/her country. Citizens should be outraged at any attempt by any party or person attempting to circumvent or illegally influence the outcome.

Look at other nations who have no voting rights or their voting rights are a sham and that should be enough to concern a citizen but it isn't and we are all complicit but omission or commission in he quest to win at all costs

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

My understanding of the original purpose for construction of an Electoral College was to prevent more populous states gaining a disproportionate advantage electing a president. Has the intent and purpose really changed after two centuries?

The link provided by the OP should reinforce the need and desirability of strict voter ID laws. Unless or until this nation can provide a fool proof measure of no voter fraud we will never be able to obstensibly choose by popular vote. Even stained fingers won't do it

Voting is a privilege and the most important contribution a citizen can give to his/her country. Citizens should be outraged at any attempt by any party or person attempting to circumvent or illegally influence the outcome.

Look at other nations who have no voting rights or their voting rights are a sham and that should be enough to concern a citizen but it isn't and we are all complicit but omission or commission in he quest to win at all costs

Personal Best Regards:

However, voting is a RIGHT, and in my opinion an obligation. But, it also occurs to me that ignorant voters are like unlicensed drivers, dangerous.

Originally Posted by Guest

However, voting is a RIGHT, and in my opinion an obligation. But, it also occurs to me that ignorant voters are like unlicensed drivers, dangerous.

Hi Guest: I agree it is an obligation and one many do not take seriously.

My bigger concern is not those ignorant voters but those very savvy and unethical voters . Even many if not most unlicensed drivers know how to drive whereas the unethical want to buy votes, vote as many times as they can get away with it, vote when they are not US citizens and eligible to do so, tie voting preferences to their union's dictates or vote even after they have died

Personal Best Regards

The article gave the impression that illegal immigrants can have an effect on an election, but fails to mention Gerrymandering, which is as big a problem. Gerrymandering also reduces the effect of counting illegals. Since illegals live in areas of their own race, Gerrymandering shoves them all in the same district.

Texas Congressional Districts 33 and 35 Among Most Gerrymandered in Nation

The district in Florida that was Gerrymandered was the one in our neighborhood. The Democrat woman from that district was the one yelling the loudest to leave the district alone. the district looks like a pencil.

After the 2020 census, the federal government should be setting the congressional districts, and not the states. Voter id laws should also be made by the federal government. If your state makes it difficult to get a voter id, then at the 2016 election show up with something that passes for an id. After you vote, they send you to a place at the voting location that will give you a voter id that passes for one in that state.

Photo ID will alleviate most of the voting problem. Liberals insist there isn't any evidence of fraudulent voting. They also insist that photo ID would disenfranchise minorities, and yet they can't prove it. The constitution requires every voter to be a U.S. citizen. In my opinion, it should be mandatory that you prove you are a citizen in order to abide by constitutional law.

Originally Posted by Guest

Photo ID will alleviate most of the voting problem. Liberals insist there isn't any evidence of fraudulent voting. They also insist that photo ID would disenfranchise minorities, and yet they can't prove it. The constitution requires every voter to be a U.S. citizen. In my opinion, it should be mandatory that you prove you are a citizen in order to abide by constitutional law.

There isn't evidence of wide spread voter fraud. I have never heard that it would disenfranchise minorities. The complain they are making it hard for inner city minorities that may not have a drivers license to obtain a voter id. They are also making the time and place to obtain the voter id hard to get to for a person that doesn't drive.

I will take back the disenfranchise minority comment, since the two example I gave are examples of minorities being disenfranchised.