Anyone with children and grand-children should be outraged by the debt we are piling onto our future generations. This budget bill that is going to be passed this week is a disgrace and this forum is still talking about Hilary's emails. For their sake I hope all of those who are turning their backs to this are at room temperature when **** hits the fan. It is truly going to be ugly.

I understand how you feel, but take into consideration that winning one battle can cost the war. Do we really want to go through fighting, closing down the gov and then try to get Republicans elected next year? Anyone can see how it would go. The liberal media is going to back the socialists party rather than the conservatives and make the GOP out to be big bad bullies. Do we really want to give the enemy (yes enemy to the American way) more ammo to use in their campaign?

My advice to my fellow Republicans is to bite your tongue and let this one go. WE have a long journey full of obstacles before we can put someone in the White House that will attempt to turn this ship around before it hits that iceberg.

We can fix this gov only IF we get our man/woman into the White House. Would we rather block the dept ceiling, and end up with 8 more years of socialist dictatorship?

Originally Posted by Guest

I understand how you feel, but take into consideration that winning one battle can cost the war. Do we really want to go through fighting, closing down the gov and then try to get Republicans elected next year? Anyone can see how it would go. The liberal media is going to back the socialists party rather than the conservatives and make the GOP out to be big bad bullies. Do we really want to give the enemy (yes enemy to the American way) more ammo to use in their campaign?

My advice to my fellow Republicans is to bite your tongue and let this one go. WE have a long journey full of obstacles before we can put someone in the White House that will attempt to turn this ship around before it hits that iceberg.

We can fix this gov only IF we get our man/woman into the White House. Would we rather block the dept ceiling, and end up with 8 more years of socialist dictatorship?

I agree with you.

To fix it long term, as you say the future generations, we need to change the violent move and it is a violent move to the extreme left.

To fix it long term, as you say the future generations, we need to change the violent move and it is a violent move to the extreme left.[/QUOTE]

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BS!

Originally Posted by Guest

I understand how you feel, but take into consideration that winning one battle can cost the war. Do we really want to go through fighting, closing down the gov and then try to get Republicans elected next year? Anyone can see how it would go. The liberal media is going to back the socialists party rather than the conservatives and make the GOP out to be big bad bullies. Do we really want to give the enemy (yes enemy to the American way) more ammo to use in their campaign?

My advice to my fellow Republicans is to bite your tongue and let this one go. WE have a long journey full of obstacles before we can put someone in the White House that will attempt to turn this ship around before it hits that iceberg.

We can fix this gov only IF we get our man/woman into the White House. Would we rather block the dept ceiling, and end up with 8 more years of socialist dictatorship?

Dear Guest:

Unfortunately the Republican Establishment, like progressives,have been remiss in theirfiduciary obligations. The application of a repeated annual vote on the budget ceiling is an oxymoron in of itself.

Carly Fiorina is accurate in applying a zero based budget. This is so because the budget now being voted on is for future long term planning. We have yet to spend the amount allocated from the previous budget. Add to that the water carried ( redundancy) in previous budget and you are talking serious inflated accounting .

In my view neither the progressives nor the Republican Establishment are serious about taking down the debt. The Freedom Caucus is serious about cutting our debt but is going about it in the wrong manner.

Perhaps the introduction of Paul Ryan into the process will help but I am not dumping all my chips on its success.

Politicians one and all are artful dodgers and many are silvered tongue devils many capable of creating a tulip frenzy . Voters would be wise to trust but verify.

Carly Fiorina is also right when she states that as to both tax plans and budgeting cutting politicians have campaigned for decades about what they will do if elected... ad nauseam ...and to no avail. Even more depressing instead of getting even a little better it only gets a lot worse.

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

Anyone with children and grand-children should be outraged by the debt we are piling onto our future generations. This budget bill that is going to be passed this week is a disgrace and this forum is still talking about Hilary's emails. For their sake I hope all of those who are turning their backs to this are at room temperature when **** hits the fan. It is truly going to be ugly.

but perhaps since you are so passionate you have a solution? No? Neither does anyone else short of not voting for anyone that's in gov't now.

As to Chillary's emails...if anyone is turning a blind eye it would be you...why you ask? Great question...anyone that would vote for someone as blatantly dishonest as that person deserves the gov't we have. She's a perfect example as to why our gov't is a disgrace and you should be ashamed to suggest otherwise.

The Republican party is a joke. Sure they want to balance the budget, but don't want to go against any of their principles to do it. No tax increase on the rich. The flat tax morons want to increase taxes on the people that can afford it the least. Everyone of their tax plans increases the deficit, but that is not something anyone one of them will not keep spouting. They damn right well know none of their tax plans will ever happen. So, who is the liar? How stupid do you have to be to keep listening to them?

The Republicans don't want the military to be cut any further. The Democrats don't want social programs to be cut. Neither is going to get their own way no matter who is in the White House. This is the road to nowhere.

Originally Posted by Guest

The Republican party is a joke. Sure they want to balance the budget, but don't want to go against any of their principles to do it. No tax increase on the rich. The flat tax morons want to increase taxes on the people that can afford it the least. Everyone of their tax plans increases the deficit, but that is not something anyone one of them will not keep spouting. They damn right well know none of their tax plans will ever happen. So, who is the liar? How stupid do you have to be to keep listening to them?

The Republicans don't want the military to be cut any further. The Democrats don't want social programs to be cut. Neither is going to get their own way no matter who is in the White House. This is the road to nowhere.

Can you be a bit more specific please.

Are you speaking of the new budget proposal that the parties settled on ?

Or, are you speaking of candidate proposals thus far ?

I have read your post a few times and find it difficult without some specific areas to respond to.

You mention tax plans....that would be the candidates speaking.

You mention military spending...that would be the new compromise agreement.

You mention not cutting social programs...that would be the new compromise or in a very general sense, the candidates.

You mention principles....that could be either.

Tough to reply without you giving some specifics.

I would love to see intelligent debate on this subj.ect as it is a weak are for me and I want to learn more.

Originally Posted by Guest

The Republican party is a joke. Sure they want to balance the budget, but don't want to go against any of their principles to do it. No tax increase on the rich. The flat tax morons want to increase taxes on the people that can afford it the least. Everyone of their tax plans increases the deficit, but that is not something anyone one of them will not keep spouting. They damn right well know none of their tax plans will ever happen. So, who is the liar? How stupid do you have to be to keep listening to them?

The Republicans don't want the military to be cut any further. The Democrats don't want social programs to be cut. Neither is going to get their own way no matter who is in the White House. This is the road to nowhere.

Everyone should pay taxes. Period.

Bush's big mistake in my opinion was to eliminate tax requirements on the lower earners. Now, we have those that depend on the gov more and more and the socialists are starting to thrive. Socialism thrives on a population that is dependent on the gov. That's why we are seeing so many liberal/socialist votes. Dependency, just like being dependent on drugs.

The military budget is tiny compared to the entitlement slice of the pie. The Constitution has a mandate for National Defense, but not for entitlements. The only entitlements that we are owed are Social Security and Medicare, that everyone paid for. Anything else can be cut freely.

A flat tax across the board is not a bad thing, but I would rather see a federal sales tax take the place of income tax.

Originally Posted by Guest

The Republican party is a joke. Sure they want to balance the budget, but don't want to go against any of their principles to do it. No tax increase on the rich. The flat tax morons want to increase taxes on the people that can afford it the least. Everyone of their tax plans increases the deficit, but that is not something anyone one of them will not keep spouting. They damn right well know none of their tax plans will ever happen. So, who is the liar? How stupid do you have to be to keep listening to them?

The Republicans don't want the military to be cut any further. The Democrats don't want social programs to be cut. Neither is going to get their own way no matter who is in the White House. This is the road to nowhere.

Road to nowhere?
No leadership. And those that are in positions of authority are feathering their own nests or agendas.

There is no leadership in Washington, DC.....and there won't be as long as the cronys (both R & D) continue to hold office and get re-elected by the uninformed lemming electorate.

Originally Posted by Guest

Everyone should pay taxes. Period.

Bush's big mistake in my opinion was to eliminate tax requirements on the lower earners. Now, we have those that depend on the gov more and more and the socialists are starting to thrive. Socialism thrives on a population that is dependent on the gov. That's why we are seeing so many liberal/socialist votes. Dependency, just like being dependent on drugs.

The military budget is tiny compared to the entitlement slice of the pie. The Constitution has a mandate for National Defense, but not for entitlements. The only entitlements that we are owed are Social Security and Medicare, that everyone paid for. Anything else can be cut freely.

A flat tax across the board is not a bad thing, but I would rather see a federal sales tax take the place of income tax.

Everyone does pay taxes. Social security, Medicare, gasoline, and sales taxes. If they rent, indirectly they are paying property taxes.

Bush's biggest tax cuts went to the people in the 39.6% tax bracket.

Take a look the chart of the 2014 budget. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United..._-_FY_2011.png

The two biggest categories are social security, and Medicare. The Republicans largest group of supporters are older Americans. Socialism seems to be working fine for us. It takes gall to complain about everybody else. We are the biggest takers. Sure we paid into the program for 30-40 years, but that money wasn't put aside for us. It was paid to people that were collecting at the time. If they put the plug on social security, which they won't do, we would be out of luck. We are not entitled to social security.

Defense spending is greater than discretionary spending. Constitution mandates national defense, but not at the cost of everything else.

Originally Posted by Guest

Everyone does pay taxes. Social security, Medicare, gasoline, and sales taxes. If they rent, indirectly they are paying property taxes.

Bush's biggest tax cuts went to the people in the 39.6% tax bracket.

Take a look the chart of the 2014 budget. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United..._-_FY_2011.png

The two biggest categories are social security, and Medicare. The Republicans largest group of supporters are older Americans. Socialism seems to be working fine for us. It takes gall to complain about everybody else. We are the biggest takers. Sure we paid into the program for 30-40 years, but that money wasn't put aside for us. It was paid to people that were collecting at the time. If they put the plug on social security, which they won't do, we would be out of luck. We are not entitled to social security.

Defense spending is greater than discretionary spending. Constitution mandates national defense, but not at the cost of everything else.

Your link is to the budget of FY 2011 ~

Originally Posted by Guest

Everyone does pay taxes. Social security, Medicare, gasoline, and sales taxes. If they rent, indirectly they are paying property taxes.

Bush's biggest tax cuts went to the people in the 39.6% tax bracket.

Take a look the chart of the 2014 budget. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United..._-_FY_2011.png

The two biggest categories are social security, and Medicare. The Republicans largest group of supporters are older Americans. Socialism seems to be working fine for us. It takes gall to complain about everybody else. We are the biggest takers. Sure we paid into the program for 30-40 years, but that money wasn't put aside for us. It was paid to people that were collecting at the time. If they put the plug on social security, which they won't do, we would be out of luck. We are not entitled to social security.

Defense spending is greater than discretionary spending. Constitution mandates national defense, but not at the cost of everything else.

"We are not entitled to social security. "

Could you explain that to me and get my money back for me

Originally Posted by Guest

Everyone does pay taxes. Social security, Medicare, gasoline, and sales taxes. If they rent, indirectly they are paying property taxes.

Bush's biggest tax cuts went to the people in the 39.6% tax bracket.

Take a look the chart of the 2014 budget. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United..._-_FY_2011.png

The two biggest categories are social security, and Medicare. The Republicans largest group of supporters are older Americans. Socialism seems to be working fine for us. It takes gall to complain about everybody else. We are the biggest takers. Sure we paid into the program for 30-40 years, but that money wasn't put aside for us. It was paid to people that were collecting at the time. If they put the plug on social security, which they won't do, we would be out of luck. We are not entitled to social security.

Defense spending is greater than discretionary spending. Constitution mandates national defense, but not at the cost of everything else.

This is not only warped thinking....." Socialism seems to be working fine for us. " and "We are not entitled to social security."

BUT ALSO SCARY AS HECK

Originally Posted by Guest

Can you be a bit more specific please.

Are you speaking of the new budget proposal that the parties settled on ?

Or, are you speaking of candidate proposals thus far ?

I have read your post a few times and find it difficult without some specific areas to respond to.

You mention tax plans....that would be the candidates speaking.

You mention military spending...that would be the new compromise agreement.

You mention not cutting social programs...that would be the new compromise or in a very general sense, the candidates.

You mention principles....that could be either.

Tough to reply without you giving some specifics.

I would love to see intelligent debate on this subj.ect as it is a weak are for me and I want to learn more.

No, I am speaking about the 1920 budget, and the effects that it had back then. Sometimes common sense applies. When you have to explain everything in great detail, no one here is going to listen. Take a look at the posts. The majority are one or two sentences long. The fact of the matter here people don't want to reply only attack.

Take a look at the threads. There was a Republican debate last night, and there isn't one thread on the board about it. Any Republican on Republican disagreement is avoided at all costs here. I started a post several weeks ago when two Republicans went at each other on Meet the Press, and it died a quick death.

Anytime you try to go into great detail, you are accused of changing the subject. You may be the exception, but the others will join the conversation, and it will be brought down to the gutter in one big hurry.