First thing I would like to do here is be respectful, but I read this piece in the Chicago Tribune, written by a black woman.

It struck a chord because it is something that I just do not understand, and she speaks directly to the issue I do not understand. While she speaks of Chicago, it is of national import.

We place so much attention, both in the media and in groups protests, and it appears that now it is beginning to appear as if it will be made a political issue as well, on the police shooting of black men.

It is absolutely unforgivable for a white police officer to even shoot, let alone kill, an unarmed black man, unless he/she fears for his/her life. There are systems in place to handle that kind of thing, and while no system is perfect, it does appear to work. Ferguson, if you recall, the police officer was justified yet a town was burnt down.

Republicans as well as Democrats feel strongly about the shooting of unarmed people, both black and white, by a police officer and speak out about that.

What seems to only be mentioned as an after thought is blacks killing blacks day after day after day...This is from that article in the Chicago Tribune, by a black woman...she was speaking of a gathering of people in Chicago concerning the killing of black men.

She mentioned the mayor and a few members of clergy who spoke.....


"They were exhorting, pleading, begging.

Pfleger begging that the “coward” executioner be exposed. McCarthy exhorting gang-banging “mutual combatants” to end the warfare. Emanuel pleading that people in the community have “a moral responsibility” to come forward.

As I watched and listened to it all in TV reports and online narratives, I noticed: The loudest voices calling for an end to the slaughter came from whites.

White voices asking that we save African-American children.

Pfleger, McCarthy and Emanuel are passionate about ending the raging street crime that has turned Chicago neighborhoods into war zones. As they should be."

Where are the black voices?"

Laura Washington: Speak up, black leaders, on killings of young blacks | Chicago Sun-Times

I think the emphasis on police killing blacks and ignoring of blacks killing blacks sends an incorrect message. Violating the law is the centerpiece; fight back if the law enforcement does something....do nothing if not. To me, that creates a very very bad message for any young blacks.

She continues....

"Chicago has become known as the nation’s ground zero of black-on-black warfare. The gangbangers are running our streets. Black lives don’t matter to them.

But where is the black leadership in this town? Where are the moral voices? Where is their outrage? Where are their demands that the slaughter cease?"


We have all read the statistics on how many young black men are killed by blacks...it is extraordinary.

YET, and this I do not understand either, it is difficult to find those statistics anywhere in the main stream media. THEY CAN BE FOUND, but on sites that are sadly political sites. EVEN THOUGH, over 90% of blacks are killed by another black and according to Center for Disease control TWICE AS many white men are killed by police officers.

It is an election cycle. WHY are not candidates speaking to this issue ? WHY are protestors only involved in the least severe and least problematic area of shootings. WHY is not obeying the law the issue rather than the color aspect of this national disgrace. ?

I am not searching for an emotional racially charged discussion.

I AM searching for opinions on why our 'leaders" of both parties are not addressing the real problem...lack of respect for the law whether that takes the shape of a confrontation with police or not without the racial component.

OR...am I not seeing something here ???

I believe that black lives matter, but not any more than any other race. I don't care if the gang bangers wish to kill each other, but I do feel for all the black babies that get aborted each year. When you have more black babies killed every year than born, we have a problem not related to gang bangers.

Being black should not have any more special significance than being any other color. Americans have gone out of their way to make right something that happened over a century ago, and now it ought to be put to rest. If blacks have not taken advantage of everyone bending over backwards in perceived guilt, to better themselves they have no one now to blame than themselves. It's not my fault, or my family's fault. We never had slaves in my family. My family is a family of German immigrants that never owned a slave.

I will reiterate that as far as I am concerned, gang bangers can kill each other. But children should be protected, regardless of race. Those black lives do matter.

Originally Posted by Guest

First thing I would like to do here is be respectful, but I read this piece in the Chicago Tribune, written by a black woman.

It struck a chord because it is something that I just do not understand, and she speaks directly to the issue I do not understand. While she speaks of Chicago, it is of national import.

We place so much attention, both in the media and in groups protests, and it appears that now it is beginning to appear as if it will be made a political issue as well, on the police shooting of black men.

It is absolutely unforgivable for a white police officer to even shoot, let alone kill, an unarmed black man, unless he/she fears for his/her life. There are systems in place to handle that kind of thing, and while no system is perfect, it does appear to work. Ferguson, if you recall, the police officer was justified yet a town was burnt down.

Republicans as well as Democrats feel strongly about the shooting of unarmed people, both black and white, by a police officer and speak out about that.

What seems to only be mentioned as an after thought is blacks killing blacks day after day after day...This is from that article in the Chicago Tribune, by a black woman...she was speaking of a gathering of people in Chicago concerning the killing of black men.

She mentioned the mayor and a few members of clergy who spoke.....


"They were exhorting, pleading, begging.

Pfleger begging that the “coward” executioner be exposed. McCarthy exhorting gang-banging “mutual combatants” to end the warfare. Emanuel pleading that people in the community have “a moral responsibility” to come forward.

As I watched and listened to it all in TV reports and online narratives, I noticed: The loudest voices calling for an end to the slaughter came from whites.

White voices asking that we save African-American children.

Pfleger, McCarthy and Emanuel are passionate about ending the raging street crime that has turned Chicago neighborhoods into war zones. As they should be."

Where are the black voices?"

Laura Washington: Speak up, black leaders, on killings of young blacks | Chicago Sun-Times

I think the emphasis on police killing blacks and ignoring of blacks killing blacks sends an incorrect message. Violating the law is the centerpiece; fight back if the law enforcement does something....do nothing if not. To me, that creates a very very bad message for any young blacks.

She continues....

"Chicago has become known as the nation’s ground zero of black-on-black warfare. The gangbangers are running our streets. Black lives don’t matter to them.

But where is the black leadership in this town? Where are the moral voices? Where is their outrage? Where are their demands that the slaughter cease?"


We have all read the statistics on how many young black men are killed by blacks...it is extraordinary.

YET, and this I do not understand either, it is difficult to find those statistics anywhere in the main stream media. THEY CAN BE FOUND, but on sites that are sadly political sites. EVEN THOUGH, over 90% of blacks are killed by another black and according to Center for Disease control TWICE AS many white men are killed by police officers.

It is an election cycle. WHY are not candidates speaking to this issue ? WHY are protestors only involved in the least severe and least problematic area of shootings. WHY is not obeying the law the issue rather than the color aspect of this national disgrace. ?

I am not searching for an emotional racially charged discussion.

I AM searching for opinions on why our 'leaders" of both parties are not addressing the real problem...lack of respect for the law whether that takes the shape of a confrontation with police or not without the racial component.

OR...am I not seeing something here ???

There have been of articles written on black on black crime just goggle it. You can't blame the main street media. That is not going to fly. Here are plenty of headlines. black on black crime statistics - Bing images

Unlike Carson, Mack the Knife, most crimes are committed by guns. Small changes in gun laws are a taboo, and no Republican candidate is going to talk about them for fear of the NRA.

The candidates right now are only talking directly to the party. The Republican party black on black crime is very low on their priority list. What is worse social programs that may help stop the conditions contributing to the problem are on the hit list of items to be cut in the budget.

Your comment on Ferguson is inaccurate. The officer wasn't brought up on charges because there was to many conflicting reports on what happened. The Justice Dept. raked the Ferguson Police Dept. over the coals for many things, racial makeup, and targeting to name a few. The Justice Dept. was criticized for their report, because the head of dept. is black. There are plenty of saints and sinners on what happened in Ferguson, and nobody is going to walk away blameless.

If you want to see a funny movie that addresses the black problem along with other problems watch Bulworth. It is a 1998 movie, and everything they address in the movie still exists. Bulworth. a Democratic senator from California, attacks the black committee for being lazy, and not involved in politics, and does it in a black church. It gets worse from there. This movie is something that you would never except out of Hollywood. The main items contributing to the problems in the black committee are lack of jobs, and drugs. It is on Starz, and it is worth seeing.

You want to stop racism. Then everybody has to start bonking everybody else until we are all the same color. That is the short version of what Bulworth solution to racism is. The long version is funnier.

Originally Posted by Guest;11***03

There have been of articles written on black on black crime just goggle it. You can't blame the main street media. That is not going to fly. Here are plenty of headlines. black on black crime statistics - Bing images

Unlike Carson, Mack the Knife, most crimes are committed by guns. Small changes in gun laws are a taboo, and no Republican candidate is going to talk about them for fear of the NRA.

The candidates right now are only talking directly to the party. The Republican party black on black crime is very low on their priority list. What is worse social programs that may help stop the conditions contributing to the problem are on the hit list of items to be cut in the budget.

Your comment on Ferguson is inaccurate. The officer wasn't brought up on charges because there was to many conflicting reports on what happened. The Justice Dept. raked the Ferguson Police Dept. over the coals for many things, racial makeup, and targeting to name a few. The Justice Dept. was criticized for their report, because the head of dept. is black. There are plenty of saints and sinners on what happened in Ferguson, and nobody is going to walk away blameless.

If you want to see a funny movie that addresses the black problem along with other problems watch Bulworth. It is a 1998 movie, and everything they address in the movie still exists. Bulworth. a Democratic senator from California, attacks the black committee for being lazy, and not involved in politics, and does it in a black church. It gets worse from there. This movie is something that you would never except out of Hollywood. The main items contributing to the problems in the black committee are lack of jobs, and drugs. It is on Starz, and it is worth seeing.

You want to stop racism. Then everybody has to start bonking everybody else until we are all the same color. That is the short version of what Bulworth solution to racism is. The long version is funnier.

Originally Posted by Guest;11***03

There have been of articles written on black on black crime just goggle it. You can't blame the main street media. That is not going to fly. Here are plenty of headlines. black on black crime statistics - Bing images

Unlike Carson, Mack the Knife, most crimes are committed by guns. Small changes in gun laws are a taboo, and no Republican candidate is going to talk about them for fear of the NRA.

The candidates right now are only talking directly to the party. The Republican party black on black crime is very low on their priority list. What is worse social programs that may help stop the conditions contributing to the problem are on the hit list of items to be cut in the budget.

Your comment on Ferguson is inaccurate. The officer wasn't brought up on charges because there was to many conflicting reports on what happened. The Justice Dept. raked the Ferguson Police Dept. over the coals for many things, racial makeup, and targeting to name a few. The Justice Dept. was criticized for their report, because the head of dept. is black. There are plenty of saints and sinners on what happened in Ferguson, and nobody is going to walk away blameless.

If you want to see a funny movie that addresses the black problem along with other problems watch Bulworth. It is a 1998 movie, and everything they address in the movie still exists. Bulworth. a Democratic senator from California, attacks the black committee for being lazy, and not involved in politics, and does it in a black church. It gets worse from there. This movie is something that you would never except out of Hollywood. The main items contributing to the problems in the black committee are lack of jobs, and drugs. It is on Starz, and it is worth seeing.

You want to stop racism. Then everybody has to start bonking everybody else until we are all the same color. That is the short version of what Bulworth solution to racism is. The long version is funnier.

This is a disgusting post from start to finish.

Who posts like this ?

The chanting, again, of what the republicans are doing ot not, as usual always biased to reflect the democratic issue or agenda.

What has the democratic party done about violence involving the use of or obtaining of a gun? TALK!!! And in cities, democrat controlled, like Chicago, with some of the toughest gun laws, they lead the statistics in daily murders....using a gun.

And what about the black on blacks issue. Just what has the democrats done except to march in where it suits an agenda, like Ferguson, and blow it out of proportion short of race rioting to make their point. Bur again, back to our favorite democrat controlled city example, Chicago...the blacks are killing themselves off at record rates.

Strict gun laws and ignoring the issue by the media and the Obamas and the Jacksons and the Sharpton racist promoters.

Please stop insulting the average American's intelligence.

Originally Posted by Guest;11***52

This is a disgusting post from start to finish.

Who posts like this ?

...so says the Republican troll doll with the string in his neck.

Originally Posted by Guest;11***77

The chanting, again, of what the republicans are doing ot not, as usual always biased to reflect the democratic issue or agenda.

What has the democratic party done about violence involving the use of or obtaining of a gun? TALK!!! And in cities, democrat controlled, like Chicago, with some of the toughest gun laws, they lead the statistics in daily murders....using a gun.

And what about the black on blacks issue. Just what has the democrats done except to march in where it suits an agenda, like Ferguson, and blow it out of proportion short of race rioting to make their point. Bur again, back to our favorite democrat controlled city example, Chicago...the blacks are killing themselves off at record rates.

Strict gun laws and ignoring the issue by the media and the Obamas and the Jacksons and the Sharpton racist promoters.

Please stop insulting the average American's intelligence.

If you are an example of average American intelligence, then we are really in deep trouble. Did you take a look at the Bing headlines? If you did, you wouldn't throw out there that comment that blacks are killing themselves in record numbers, and the media is ignoring the issue. What the hell good are strict gun laws, if you can travel less than 50 miles, and get a gun legally?

I am sure that they are getting guns illegally. Is that justification for not doing anything about guns in the hands of criminals and crazies? I have no problem with stop and frisk. I have no problem with searching a person house for illegal weapons with little to no justification for a search warrant.

Jackson has pretty much disappeared. Sharpton is the worse kind of bigot even his voice is offensive. I surprised that he hasn't shown up on the Missouri campus. I guess that he is really believes that he is part of the media now, and is not welcomed there. That hasn't stopped him from going to places that he wasn't welcomed before.

What have the Republicans done about gun laws besides stopping any legislation that may address the issue? Since they are obstructing any new gun laws, all the Democrats can do is TALK.

Originally Posted by Guest;11***52

This is a disgusting post from start to finish.

Who posts like this ?

Someone with a brain. Since you don't have a brain, the post went way over your head. So, that it is why it is disgusting. Don't worry you still have time to grow a brain. All is not lost!

Well the first mistake concerning this topic is that "they" turn to the government to solve the problem. However the only people who can solve this racial problem is the black population. The government's solutions since the 1964 civil rights Movement have failed and actually the more the government governs the worse this nations racial problems progress.

With the advent of Obama/Holder/Sharpton organized effort the racial divide is worse then what it had been prior to 1964.

Organizations like Black Lives Matter are not only dangerous because they intentionally misrepresent law enforcement bias as to shootings, arrest and incarcerations but also because they have become a collective bully unit intent on intimidating political leaders with threats anarchy.

Leaders such as the President of University of Missouri who resign under such allegations are cowards giving in to these political canards

Statistically black leaders cannot support their claims and national statistics defeat their allegations so what is left we winessed that in Ferguson and other cities

Common sense dictates that all lives matter but Sharpton et al agenda is painfully obvious.

So Republicans know that the cards ar stack against them and if they have any hope of getting elected they are forced on such issues to remain silent because they are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't

Frankly the Black Lives Matter movement is obviously lacking credibility "but for"the main street media the movement would have disappeared long ago

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest;11***92

...so says the Republican troll doll with the string in his neck.

Nice try, but the rules of a forum is that THE TROLL may not call others by its own nomenclature. So, you being the liberal troll may not come on a predominantly conservative forum and start running amok with name calling, and insisting that everyone else is a troll. You always whine about respect. Then quit being so childish.

Originally Posted by Guest

If you are an example of average American intelligence, then we are really in deep trouble. Did you take a look at the Bing headlines? If you did, you wouldn't throw out there that comment that blacks are killing themselves in record numbers, and the media is ignoring the issue. What the hell good are strict gun laws, if you can travel less than 50 miles, and get a gun legally?

I am sure that they are getting guns illegally. Is that justification for not doing anything about guns in the hands of criminals and crazies? I have no problem with stop and frisk. I have no problem with searching a person house for illegal weapons with little to no justification for a search warrant.

Jackson has pretty much disappeared. Sharpton is the worse kind of bigot even his voice is offensive. I surprised that he hasn't shown up on the Missouri campus. I guess that he is really believes that he is part of the media now, and is not welcomed there. That hasn't stopped him from going to places that he wasn't welcomed before.

What have the Republicans done about gun laws besides stopping any legislation that may address the issue? Since they are obstructing any new gun laws, all the Democrats can do is TALK.

Gang bangers are not killing each other with Legally purchased guns. So, your premise regarding them driving to another state doesn't work.
Strict gun laws obviously don't work, so that's a moot point. We have a federal background check for all dealer purchases.

By the way, violent crime is down from 20 years ago.

But, criminals are criminals and will always find a tool of intimidation to use when committing a crime.

You can't blame either party for their lack of understanding on how to handle the gun situation. No laws can make a difference unless you are prepared to incarcerate those that use a gun in the commission of a crime. A whole different charge, separate from the main charge. That will act as a deterrent. Having no gun zones doesn't help either. You don't have to worry about the law abiding citizen. It's the criminals that will disregard that rule/law.

So, all that aside, until someone can come up with something that can be applied to the water supply that will make people non-violent, we will always have murders. But, as long as judges and politicians keep commuting sentences of violent offenders, then there is no deterrent to crime. So far, the only deterrent available right now is straight shooting COPs. COPs that put down these mad animals in the street.

We travel a lot annually, mostly sone where in the USA. Did enough rest of the world travel while working.

As a result one gets the real perspective of who and what the American people really are and America is for real.

It is not the prejudiced, racist, unfriendly, partisan, back stabbing, ruthless, gun toting, partisan liars the media and politicians would have us believe.
The good news is all the crap and lies are confined to a very few.
The bad news we in the majority continue to allow these vermin to REPRESENT us.

This is very disappointing.

The thread was wondering about candidates and should they be addressing this problem head on ignoring the political pressure and speaking to adherence to the law without any input on color, and you guys never disappoint...right to the gutter we go.

And yet you criticize people on either side of the aisle who do exactly what you do.

Very sad to live in The Villages and think my neighbors are this insensitive to reality and refuse to accept it.

We deserve what we get.

Originally Posted by Guest

This is very disappointing.

The thread was wondering about candidates and should they be addressing this problem head on ignoring the political pressure and speaking to adherence to the law without any input on color, and you guys never disappoint...right to the gutter we go.

And yet you criticize people on either side of the aisle who do exactly what you do.

Very sad to live in The Villages and think my neighbors are this insensitive to reality and refuse to accept it.

We deserve what we get.

Duhhh, the subject of the thread is regarding race. Wow, are you really that naive, or do you just have a great need for attention?

You are very good at diverting from the thread, and then whining about how no one respects you. Why don't you give us your thought related to the thread and then we can call it a conversation.