to watch the Obama/Cheney back and forth on Americas security.

Obama seems to think that terrorists will respect us more if we go back to our "values" as a nation. I guess that he just doesn't get it! We Americans are HATED "because" of our values! As we all know, our nation was built on religion (Christian for the most part), Democracy, Freedom, rule of law, etc. and the terrorists want the world to join them in the dark ages of society.

The terrorists used airplanes to kill thousands of Americans on 9/11, use beheading and physical maiming to torture people that don't follow their beliefs,use children and woman to blow themselves up to kill Americans, and Obama is worried about water boarding? Who was killed ,maimed or otherwise injured by
American interrogation practices?

As John Stossel says "give me a break!

I find it funny. I think more reporters have been water boarded than terrorists. They seem to be lining up to try it.

It's typical liberal thinking. They simply do not get it when it comes to national defense.

Originally Posted by dklassen

I find it funny. I think more reporters have been water boarded than terrorists. They seem to be lining up to try it.

It's typical liberal thinking. They simply do not get it when it comes to national defense.

As I understand it...THREE PEOPLE....THREE VERY BAD PEOPLE...were all that were waterboarded and because of who they were and the info they had and for years we have heard how our country is so very very bad (and most of that from the party in power)

Originally Posted by dklassen

I find it funny. I think more reporters have been water boarded than terrorists. They seem to be lining up to try it.

It's typical liberal thinking. They simply do not get it when it comes to national defense.

Those darn liberals. The source of all that's evil and bad.
Those darn conservatives. The source of all that's pure and good.

Originally Posted by BobKat1

Those darn liberals. The source of all that's evil and bad.
Those darn conservatives. The source of all that's pure and good.

Your sarcasm is noted as I am sure you know that was not what was said or even implied. The subject is national defense !

Originally Posted by BobKat1

Those darn liberals. The source of all that's evil and bad.
Those darn conservatives. The source of all that's pure and good.

When you're right you're right.

Yoda

A member of the loyal opposition

Originally Posted by dklassen

No truer words.............

Yoda

A member of the loyal opposition

Originally Posted by BobKat1

Those darn liberals. The source of all that's evil and bad.
Those darn conservatives. The source of all that's pure and good.

Kinda sounds like that dont it... But not sure if it was actually said up front. But there is a hint of it.
Sarcasm or not. If it looks like duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. Darn sure isnt a sheep?

And I promised I would not venture back into this throw the liberal lamb to the conservative wolves watering hole again. But National Defense, I dont believe this quote:
"We Americans are HATED "because" of our values! As we all know, our nation was built on religion (Christian for the most part), Democracy, Freedom, rule of law, etc. and the terrorists want the world to join them in the dark ages of society."

Is the total truth. There is alot more to why we are not wanted or liked by other countries. In my time spent in Iraq, there are alot of people that just do not want us to tell them they have to be like us, Tell them they have conform to our laws, and on and on. There is alot more to it, alot more than we understand. You got to protect our country first, and that starts here at home, not overseas.

Wait what I am doing. I think I heard a quote before:

Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.

YODA, Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace




Money Out.

So far he has only to "un-do" those things be them war, terrorist or economy related that will appeal to his voters (past/future) and the leaders around the world.
He has yet to have handed to him a 911 like event....or any other event that puts him in a if you do or if you don't.

If he does the wrong thing on the economy it won't matter too much because the media will insulate it from sounding or smelling too bad plus we the people won't care much as we have proven to be too apathetic about almost everything.

The war; well we will see how "his war" Afganistan turns out. So far it looks and sounds the same as before he showed up. And of course the ever present media will not focus on the minute details on a daily basis as they have for the opposition. We most certainly will not hear the cries of the partisans as it is their guy's war.

That leaves a terrorist event. Which any one with a pulse knows from history and the terrorists promises to kill as many of us as possible. We all hope (the real hope not the political empty promise) and pray it never happens again.....but it will.

Let us not forget, there is not one single action Obama has taken to change the belief of nor the intents of those who have vowed to kill us and cripple our way of life.

Does any thinking American really believe the rest of the world really cares how we treat those who have killed Americans? Been caught planning to kill more Americans? As a matter of fact they quietly go about their business hoping that what ever we do or don't do affects them as little as possible.
While snickering at our continued intent and constant preaching that all will treat humanity as we would have it...while the rest of the world continues to go about it's business, DOING WHAT EVER IT TAKES, WHEN EVER DEEMED NECESSARY for the preservation of their way of life....NOT OURS.

We have earned that assignation of "the paper tiger" as applied to the USA before Pearl Harbor. Recall (as I paraphrase) Japanese military leadership after the event...I fear we have awakened the paper tiger.

The current leadership, administration, media, special interest groups may have emasculated the USA to a point it can no longer rise to the call again.

We are losing strength and precious time while our enemies grow in strength....they are much more consistent than the pied piper populist polticos and their sheeple!!!!

Hopefully the intent of Memorial Day will get it's due this weekend...remember the true warriors who did rise to the the call.

BTK

Originally Posted by Bucco

As I understand it...THREE PEOPLE....THREE VERY BAD PEOPLE...were all that were waterboarded and because of who they were and the info they had and for years we have heard how our country is so very very bad (and most of that from the party in power)

I believe there were MORE than 3 public beheadings by Islamic radicals....

Originally Posted by GMONEY

Kinda sounds like that dont it... But not sure if it was actually said up front. But there is a hint of it.
Sarcasm or not. If it looks like duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. Darn sure isnt a sheep?

And I promised I would not venture back into this throw the liberal lamb to the conservative wolves watering hole again. But National Defense, I dont believe this quote:
"We Americans are HATED "because" of our values! As we all know, our nation was built on religion (Christian for the most part), Democracy, Freedom, rule of law, etc. and the terrorists want the world to join them in the dark ages of society."

Is the total truth. There is alot more to why we are not wanted or liked by other countries. In my time spent in Iraq, there are alot of people that just do not want us to tell them they have to be like us, Tell them they have conform to our laws, and on and on. There is alot more to it, alot more than we understand. You got to protect our country first, and that starts here at home, not overseas.

Wait what I am doing. I think I heard a quote before:

Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.

YODA, Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace




Money Out.

Not only a Star Wars quote..... it is the same message of Ron Paul.

It's been reported on the news that the water boarding of Khalid Sheik Mohammed directly produced information that lead to the arrest of several terrorists planning an immanent attack on the Brooklyn Bridge. Death toll they say during rush hour could have been ten thousand people.

Say goodbye to our national defense.

I just read a news item on Yahoo, with the headline which reads "Bush-era officials reject Cheney security stance".

The officials are Robert Gates (Sec. Of Defense) and Tom Ridge (former head of Homeland Security).

Originally Posted by BobKat1

I just read a news item on Yahoo, with the headline which reads "Bush-era officials reject Cheney security stance".

The officials are Robert Gates (Sec. Of Defense) and Tom Ridge (former head of Homeland Security).

I think that if you went beyond the headline.....

You would find that both men said what they disagree with is that the country is not safer now than it was but add things like this comment from Ridge...
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""I'm surprised that President Obama, who I really, truly believe knows better, would make such a statement," said Ridge. "The men and women in charge of America's security, whether they're military, or the intelligence community — the president, the vice president, the attorney general, the FBI director — did everything they could at the time to prevent another attack on America. And did it consistent with the Constitution and the rule of law."

Ridge, who served as the country's first homeland security secretary in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks, said he's "disappointed in the president" for spending time criticizing past actions of the Bush administration."

"He keeps looking backwards to justify what he's doing now and I don't think at the end of the day — I think that becomes more politics than policy, and I don't think it's the kind of approach that we need to bring America together on this very important issue," he said.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...e-with-cheney/
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Gates said basically that he does not thing the USA defense is "in jeopardy" which he better say given his position.


I hope they are correct....actually I pray that they are correct about the security, but am really finding fault with this constant waterboard crap about THREE ....THREE....early on prisoners (early being defined shortly after this country was attacked) being subjected to this treatment to insure that we could stop any other attacks.

This is politics plain and simple and the President knows it !