http://ifawebnews.com/2009/07/27/con...e-reform-bill/

Hard to believe!

The only unfortunate fact here is that Rep. Conyers is speaking honestly. The vast majority will either have some staff member read it and/or just 'go along to get along.' They simply will not be honest about it.

My question is....

Is this a new thing...not reading aloud the bills before Congress or has this always been the case?

And if it has not been the case why is everyone so upset about it now?

I can tell you why I am upset it. Because I have read it. At least the current available version and don't like these things. And none of you should.

• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (I.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
• Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

Forget it I answered the question myself....

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...&type=politics

It is a new Republican tactic.....

Democrats complained for 8 years and Obama promised a change.....they all lied.

There's an audio clip of BO about five years ago complaining about bills not being read and congress not being given enough time to read the bills before they vote. Typical double standard. It's ok not to read as long as it's his bills.

And if it has not been the case why is everyone so upset about it now?

Are we really discussing whether it's ok or not ok for our elected officials to read things before they sign? WOW.

Originally Posted by Keedy

Democrats complained for 8 years and Obama promised a change.....they all lied.

Did I miss a plank in the Obama platform? .....so once again you are a hypocrite.

No reading when the Repubs were in = OK
No reading when the Dems are in = Not OK

Its so hard not to laugh....LOL

Originally Posted by dklassen

There's an audio clip of BO about five years ago complaining about bills not being read and congress not being given enough time to read the bills before they vote. Typical double standard. It's ok not to read as long as it's his bills.



Are we really discussing whether it's ok or not ok for our elected officials to read things before they sign? WOW.

Actually that is NOT it.....requiring the bills to be read aloud before the vote. The energy bill took 9 hours....what's the point.

Sure I think they should read the bills before they vote.

Originally Posted by cologal

Did I miss a plank in the Obama platform? .....so once again you are a hypocrite.

No reading when the Repubs were in = OK
No reading when the Dems are in = Not OK

Its so hard not to laugh....LOL

Who is a hipocrate? Obama and the democrats complained and said if you elect them they would not do it. They got elected and it was business as usual. Obama Lied.

Originally Posted by cologal

Forget it I answered the question myself....

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...&type=politics

It is a new Republican tactic.....

You're right - passing bills wo reading them is a new tactic. However, if you had taken the time to read your citation, you would have seen it is a Democrat tactic and not a Republican one. The Democrats were in the majority.

To quote from you citation:

Sen. Pete Domenici, R-N.M., a veteran of energy battles in the Senate, pointed out that when the Clean Air Act was debated in 1990, senators spent five weeks scrutinizing it and 162 amendments were considered.

"Now can you imagine this bill is far more important in terms of ramifications to the American economy," Domenici said. "It is probably the biggest, most complicated bill we've had, certainly in the 36 years that I've been a senator."

Would you avoid hiring a lawyer who would not read the case against you?

Would you change physicians if you found out your physician never read your family history during diagnosis and treatment?

Would you stay away from a dentist who would not view your xrays before drilling?

Would you change stockbrokers if your's never researched the companies whose stock s/he recommended for acquisition?

In all of the above, of course you would.

So, why would anyone extend the contract of an agent who spent your money on projects when s/he never read the information documents on the projects? That's what you do when you re-elect a congressperson too lazy to read, research and comprehend anyh bill before voting on it. Your congressperson is your agent - is that the service you expect and condone?

Oh, wait. The congressperson does not have to read anything because the party leadership has already read it and told him/her how to vote. Hmmm, does that make the congressperson the agent of the party or the district/voters? Isn't that obvious?

Conyers: Just another jackass to get rid of in '10.

Originally Posted by Keedy

Who is a hypocrite? Obama and the democrats complained and said if you elect them they would not do it. They got elected and it was business as usual. Obama Lied.

I really don't believe that reading bills aloud before the House and Senate was a part of Obama's campaign promises. Do you have something from his campaign website to prove your point?

Something about transparency in government I think it was.