Originally Posted by dklassen

Something about transparency in government I think it was.

Total BS....when confronted with the facts you throw up a smoke screen.

ENOUGH!

If you listen to the audio,Conyers says reading the bill,not reading it aloud in the house.
Hope this clears it up.

Originally Posted by cologal

Did I miss a plank in the Obama platform? .....so once again you are a hypocrite.

No reading when the Repubs were in = OK
No reading when the Dems are in = Not OK

Its so hard not to laugh....LOL

Remember.... laughter is good...

Originally Posted by ejp52

If you listen to the audio,Conyers says reading the bill,not reading it aloud in the house.
Hope this clears it up.

Perhaps you missed that they cut off is his in mid sentence but I did not.

Unless of course you are ramming through trillions of stealth spending or a health care bill in three weeks that no one has read.

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Originally Posted by rshoffer

Remember.... laughter is good...

You seem to like the little and cus guys....

I get a lot of laughs from this thread.

wasted with the old he did, she did, no they did, they didn't, he didn't, she didn't.....that is the real BS.

How about keeping the politics out of it and sdreess the issue on the basis of whether it is right or wrong.

What do you sign without reading? Ahhhh nuts....bad question.... I forgot that is what one does when it involves one's own assets, responsibility and accountability. Since politicians have none of those issues they can elect to not read or cater to the special interest groups.

The question is do you think your representatives should read and understand what this history making legislation could present to we the people???
It is a party neutral question....more akin to the stand and be counted culture of the past.....some here must be as old as I am to remember that virtue....eh?

It is wrong to pass ANY legislation without reading it.....regardless who in the did or did not in the past.

btk

Originally Posted by billethkid

wasted with the old he did, she did, no they did, they didn't, he didn't, she didn't.....that is the real BS.

How about keeping the politics out of it and sdreess the issue on the basis of whether it is right or wrong.

What do you sign without reading? Ahhhh nuts....bad question.... I forgot that is what one does when it involves one's own assets, responsibility and accountability. Since politicians have none of those issues they can elect to not read or cater to the special interest groups.

The question is do you think your representatives should read and understand what this history making legislation could present to we the people???
It is a party neutral question....more akin to the stand and be counted culture of the past.....some here must be as old as I am to remember that virtue....eh?

It is wrong to pass ANY legislation without reading it.....regardless who in the did or did not in the past.

btk

Clearly, and once more I will say it, the people in Congress should be reading the bills before signing them. My issue is with forcing the bills to be read out loud as a delaying tactic.

Originally Posted by cologal

Clearly, and once more I will say it, the people in Congress should be reading the bills before signing them. My issue is with forcing the bills to be read out loud as a delaying tactic.

So what!

And if we're talking about adding thousands more federal workers and contractors, and who knows how many new computer systems to data-manage this info-explosion in a HIPPA environment, making sure that everyone, especially those who have already proven that Hooked On Phonics should be on every congressperson's desk, at least has heard the content seems reasonable.

Reading and understanding what one has read are two different issues. I would hope that both occur prior to a vote, or the vote is a sham.

The Congress is not supposed to be a White House rubber stamp, and when it is - regardless of party - we all lose.

Originally Posted by SteveZ

So what!

And if we're talking about adding thousands more federal workers and contractors, and who knows how many new computer systems to data-manage this info-explosion in a HIPPA environment, making sure that everyone, especially those who have already proven that Hooked On Phonics should be on every congressperson's desk, at least has heard the content seems reasonable.

Reading and understanding what one has read are two different issues. I would hope that both occur prior to a vote, or the vote is a sham.

The Congress is not supposed to be a White House rubber stamp, and when it is - regardless of party - we all lose.

It took 9 hours to read the climate bill with no one around....waste of time.

I work in the industry HIPPA drives me nuts...I have to review interface files when they don't work but they contain patient information. Hospital won't allow us to have modem access but expect support. Its nuts.

Originally Posted by cologal

Clearly, and once more I will say it, the people in Congress should be reading the bills before signing them. My issue is with forcing the bills to be read out loud as a delaying tactic.

colagal, Once again you dodge the issue. First you claimed that Republicans were the ones pushing bills through without having Congress or the people have the opportunity to read them. When, using your own citation, I showed conclusively that this is a Democrat tactic, you chose not to answer -very Obama like I should say. Avoid confronting the truth at all cost.

Now you say that actually reading a bill was a waste of time. I admit, it certainly was a waste of time if you think the totally destructive 'stimulus' bill was a good thing or believe that we should all be good little sheepople and follow Obama into a totally unexamined Healthcare Policy.

Why do you continue to support a regime that has taken over the automobile industry, largely nationalized most of the banking system and now wants to take over the entire Healthcare system? I'm sorry, but I support the ideas in the Constitution of a limited Federal government with strong state and local governments responsible to the people they represent. When you have a chance, please show me in the Constitution where Healthcare is a Federal/National government responsibility or area of concern.

Originally Posted by BBQMan

colagal, Once again you dodge the issue. First you claimed that Republicans were the ones pushing bills through without having Congress or the people have the opportunity to read them. When, using your own citation, I showed conclusively that this is a Democrat tactic, you chose not to answer -very Obama like I should say. Avoid confronting the truth at all cost.

Now you say that actually reading a bill was a waste of time. I admit, it certainly was a waste of time if you think the totally destructive 'stimulus' bill was a good thing or believe that we should all be good little sheepople and follow Obama into a totally unexamined Healthcare Policy.

Why do you continue to support a regime that has taken over the automobile industry, largely nationalized most of the banking system and now wants to take over the entire Healthcare system? I'm sorry, but I support the ideas in the Constitution of a limited Federal government with strong state and local governments responsible to the people they represent. When you have a chance, please show me in the Constitution where Healthcare is a Federal/National government responsibility or area of concern.

Reading aloud a bill to no one is a waste of time. And you believe the Repubs in the last administration read aloud or read the bills at all. Sure I believe that.

On at least one point you are clearly confusing the Obama administration with the Bush administration. TARP was issued by Paulson....under Bush.

I support reforming the healthcare system because it needs it. I have looked all over for the bill itself so I could read it but alas...no luck.

And your choice of the word regime is telling.

So are you a birther too?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p2vO...layer_embedded

Originally Posted by cologal

Reading aloud a bill to no one is a waste of time. And you believe the Repubs in the last administration read aloud or read the bills at all. Sure I believe that.

On at least one point you are clearly confusing the Obama administration with the Bush administration. TARP was issued by Paulson....under Bush.

I support reforming the healthcare system because it needs it. I have looked all over for the bill itself so I could read it but alas...no luck.

And your choice of the word regime is telling.

So are you a birther too?

Does it matter what happened in the last administration, or the one before it, or before it ad infinitum? Yes, but only to the extent of insuring what was done wrong isn't repeated. Two wrongs definitely don't make a right.

And since the delivery of health care crosses state lines, an argument can be made that the "Commerce Clause" of the Constitution can apply to allow federal intervention in health care. With the FDA involved, HIPPA land other related activities, it's not a hard argument.

However, having the authority and exercising it badly and expensively as a national experiment with no empirical data prior to full implementation is foolhardy.

Originally Posted by retiredguy

Conyers: Just another jackass to get rid of in '10.

How did all these idiots get in office and why are they still there ? Lets get rid of all of them.