Originally Posted by Guest

I think it is human nature to care for your own first so that would be normal but for your own family to be the only one you care about then why do you mix it up on this forum constantly. Seems you would prefer to be isolated with your family in a remote location away from people because you don't need them or care what they think. I'm just guessing and since I've dabbled on this forum even my formation of a sentence has been questioned but I would take a wild guess that in your best interest if you really feel like you stated and you raised the family that you care about exclusively I wouldn't give them power of attorney if you lose consciousness and they follow your way of thinking your a gonner. They will be thinking about themselves first as per the mom or dad's example dependending on whether you are a man or a women. What a great example for a family. No wonder the world is in such fine shape. Sleep well.

Do you think much, or do you just babble incoherently in public all the time?

''Life's tough, pilgrim, and it's even
tougher if you're stupid.''-- John Wayne

Originally Posted by Guest

You are a fool. Since you include God in your comment, I feel free to say the following. Jesus's earthly mission clearly told Christians to take care of the children, the sick and the poor !!

I included it only because many people believe...you will notice I also included nature. Stop being disingenuous and show me some facts if you disagree.

Originally Posted by Guest

Of course we are a socialist country !!!Taxes are a socialist program, Medicare is a socialist program. all insurances are socialist programs, We have thousands of programs where most of us pay into a common cause and the government doles out the funds from that pool. I am not sure you have a basic understanding of how our system works.

We're actually a corporatocracy...the corporations ultimately profit and those who own the corporations profit too. The corporations use socialism to drum up business...

Originally Posted by Nucky

I think it is human nature to care for your own first so that would be normal but for your own family to be the only one you care about then why do you mix it up on this forum constantly. Seems you would prefer to be isolated with your family in a remote location away from people because you don't need them or care what they think. I'm just guessing and since I've dabbled on this forum even my formation of a sentence has been questioned but I would take a wild guess that in your best interest if you really feel like you stated and you raised the family that you care about exclusively I wouldn't give them power of attorney if you lose consciousness and they follow your way of thinking your a gonner. They will be thinking about themselves first as per the mom or dad's example dependending on whether you are a man or a women. What a great example for a family. No wonder the world is in such fine shape. Sleep well.

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Originally Posted by guest

no...the same old liberal bs...we can't afford to take care of everyone from cradle to grave. We already borrow over a $ trillion a year...a stack of $1 bills 67,000 miles tall...or almost 3x circling the planet.

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The REAL world is the exact opposite isn't it boyer?

The brown ones get a free ride...cradle to grave...healthcare too to go with the housing, food, cell phone, and all the rest.

It's the white ones who work to pay for it.

Originally Posted by guest

the pre-exiting condition was an underwriting rule required to keep health insurance premiums reasonable. It was removed under obamacare and once removed will never be reinforced ( ie the genie's out of the bottle) so how do we deal with this reality?

Better health lifestyles help. Preventive health care helps. A better understanding of dna studies to detect inherited disease is also a factor. Better technology.

As to insurance a subsidy of some sort is a reality.

The truth of the matter is that obamacare in the long run ended up with the same number of people without insurance.

Obamacare was a solution waiting for a problem.

Better that the government looked at those who did not have coverage and provided some sort of subsidized catastrophic insurance and let the health and insurance in tact

but obama was really after control of healthcare with a single payer plan owing to his socialist ideology and desire to control.

Human nature dictates that despite its dismal results of obamacare people will demand a continuation in some form.

Personal best regards:

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Originally Posted by MDLNB

Do you think much, or do you just babble incoherently in public all the time?

''Life's tough, pilgrim, and it's even
tougher if you're stupid.''-- John Wayne

Now now. It's not like he called you a selfish prick. You're safe in that dark room in the back of your house.

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Originally Posted by Guest

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Originally Posted by David

Now now. It's not like he called you a selfish prick. You're safe in that dark room in the back of your house.

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You're absolutely right. It's not like I am sitting in my little pool in my birdcage behind my Lantana, tapping away on my little phone. Tappitalk, tappitalk, burn up those little keys....

Have a great day.

Originally Posted by MDLNB

You're absolutely right. It's not like I am sitting in my little pool in my birdcage behind my Lantana, tapping away on my little phone. Tappitalk, tappitalk, burn up those little keys....

Have a great day.

Well, that sounds like a nice picture. It sure would beat staring at walls out of each room. But what the heck, get outside one day. It'll do you good.


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Originally Posted by Guest

Well, that sounds like a nice picture. It sure would beat staring at walls out of each room. But what the heck, get outside one day. It'll do you good.


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It is great outside. But, watching the golf course from my birdcage suggests that we could definitely use some rain, a lot of rain. Not much water in the ponds. The marvels of of wifi, being able to use the laptop outside, huh? Those little phones are too cumbersome for those with larger hands.

Originally Posted by Guest

How will you personally be taking care of them if they are buying healthcare insurance?

Premiums of healthy people will be higher in order to subsidize people with pre-existing conditions.

Originally Posted by Guest

You are a fool. Since you include God in your comment, I feel free to say the following. Jesus's earthly mission clearly told Christians to take care of the children, the sick and the poor !!

You are absolutely correct and Christian churches and other charities had been doing that for years until the government began taking this job away from them.

There is a section of the new congressman's handbook that explains what to do if services are being provided by another agency such as a church or charity. It explains how to start providing those services to your state or district, giving the government more control over the people.

Jesus never said that the government should take care of the children, the sick and the poor. He was talking to his followers.

What has happened is the members of congress have been running as constituency services scam for the past seventy years or so when they found out that they could get more votes in their re-election by doing favors for people as opposed to doing their job of legislating.

I'd suggest that you read a book called The Ruling Class: Inside The Imperial Congress.

Yes, it's published by a conservative group. but it is written by someone that has been on the inside and the information provided is impossible to dispute.

The problem today is that we really don't have what can be considered insurance by any definition.

Insurance is a wager between the insured and the insurer. They are betting that your house won't burn down, you won't have a car accident, you won't get robbed or that you won 't get sick and you are betting that these things will happen.

It's ridiculous to force insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions. That's like totaling your car in an accident and then buying insurance, after the accident, to replace your car.

What we have today is some sort of pooled health care payment system. As much as I think it will fail, if we're going to do this, we might as well go to a single payer system and let the government take care of us cradle to grave.

I'm against a government run system because pretty much everything that the government does costs more and is or lesser quality. I also see the systems in other countries failing financially.

Some people in England say they love the National Health, but it, like the system in France is in serious financial trouble and taxes will be raised to continue it. Gasoline is $5.00 a gallon in Canada to partially fund their health care costs, High income and VAT covers the rest. Even with that, The Canada Health Act does not cover prescription drugs, home care or long-term care, prescription glasses or dental care, which means most Canadians pay out-of-pocket for these services or rely on private insurance. The Canadian government routinely denies services and many Canadians cross the border to the US to get health care that they need.

So of all of you who think that a national health care, single payer system would be good, I'd ask, would you be in favor of raising the price of gasoline by $3.00 per gallon, raising your income tax and adding a national sales tax to pay for less services, no prescription drug coverage the a government bureaucrat deciding whether or not you'd get the care that you and your doctor say that you need.

I had a friend from the UK who was in her late 70s when she was told that she needed a hip replacement. The National Health denied it because of her age. She has to either pay $30,000 dollars out of her own pocket for the procedure or live in pain for the rest of her life. She doesn't have $30,000 so she has been sentenced to a life of excruciating pain. The government also limits the amount of pain medication that they will provide for her.

National health care, single payer system is not the panacea that many think it is. It's great as long as you don't get seriously ill. And as I said, these systems are constantly in a state of financial trouble.

Did anyone read this? Does it matter that pre-existing conditions are not covered under the republican plan is a myth? Are you going to keep spreading that myth?

Layer One: Insurers are required to sell plans to all comers, including those with pre-existing conditions. This is known as "guaranteed issue," and it's mandated in the AHCA. No exceptions, no waivers. I spoke with an informed conservative news consumer earlier who was stunned to learn that this was the case, having been subjected to 24 hours of unhinged rhetoric from the Left.

Layer Two: Anyone with a pre-existing condition and who lives in a state that does not seek an optional waiver from the AHCA's (and Obamacare's) "community rating" regulation cannot be charged more than other people for a new plan when they seek to purchase one -- which, as established above, insurers are also required to sell them.

Layer Three: Anyone who is insured and remains continuously insured cannot be dropped from their plan due to a pre-existing condition, and cannot be charged more after developing one. So if you've been covered, then you change jobs or want to switch plans, carriers must sell you the plan of your choice at the same price point as everyone else. Regardless of your health status. This is true of people in non-waiver and waiver states alike.

Layer Four: If you are uninsured and have a pre-existing condition and live in a state that pursued (and obtained after jumping through hoops) a "community rating" waiver, your state is required to give you access to a "high risk pool" fund to help you pay for higher premiums. The AHCA earmarks nearly $130 billion for these sorts of patient stability funds over ten years.