"Si vis pacem, para bellum" ("If you want peace, prepare for war") --- This Latin adage is adapted from a statement found in Book 3 of Latin author Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus's tract De Re Militari.

IN MY MIND, I SEE OUR MILITARY LEADERS AROUND THE GLOBE INTENSELY REVIEWING HIGHLY CLASSIFIED "Order of Battle" plans which outline the sequence of military actions for the troops under their command in the event that North Korea launches an attack towards Guam.

From our Naval Commanders on Aircraft Carriers, and the Air Wing Commanders, to the Captains of our "Boomer" Nuclear armed submarines, to our land based military in South Korea, and our Air and Ground forces in Guam, they are surely reviewing where, when, and how their particular forces would be tasked to strike, and in what sequence.

In addition, our military leaders around the globe would be musing on how such an attack might embolden other military enemies to advance on our troops in other lands. And, of course, our military leaders in the Pentagon, and our civilian leaders in the White House, the State Department, and our many Intelligence agencies are working long hours on deciding what our alternatives may be.

God help and guide them all. Virtually any conflict, no matter how minor, has the potential to leave millions of people dead.

...

Carl in Tampa

Originally Posted by Guest

"Si vis pacem, para bellum" ("If you want peace, prepare for war") --- This Latin adage is adapted from a statement found in Book 3 of Latin author Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus's tract De Re Militari.

IN MY MIND, I SEE OUR MILITARY LEADERS AROUND THE GLOBE INTENSELY REVIEWING HIGHLY CLASSIFIED "Order of Battle" plans which outline the sequence of military actions for the troops under their command in the event that North Korea launches an attack towards Guam.

From our Naval Commanders on Aircraft Carriers, and the Air Wing Commanders, to the Captains of our "Boomer" Nuclear armed submarines, to our land based military in South Korea, and our Air and Ground forces in Guam, they are surely reviewing where, when, and how their particular forces would be tasked to strike, and in what sequence.

In addition, our military leaders around the globe would be musing on how such an attack might embolden other military enemies to advance on our troops in other lands. And, of course, our military leaders in the Pentagon, and our civilian leaders in the White House, the State Department, and our many Intelligence agencies are working long hours on deciding what our alternatives may be.

God help and guide them all. Virtually any conflict, no matter how minor, has the potential to leave millions of people dead.

...

Carl in Tampa

Meaning...we have FEW friends in the world?

Originally Posted by Guest

"Si vis pacem, para bellum" ("If you want peace, prepare for war") --- This Latin adage is adapted from a statement found in Book 3 of Latin author Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus's tract De Re Militari.

IN MY MIND, I SEE OUR MILITARY LEADERS AROUND THE GLOBE INTENSELY REVIEWING HIGHLY CLASSIFIED "Order of Battle" plans which outline the sequence of military actions for the troops under their command in the event that North Korea launches an attack towards Guam.

From our Naval Commanders on Aircraft Carriers, and the Air Wing Commanders, to the Captains of our "Boomer" Nuclear armed submarines, to our land based military in South Korea, and our Air and Ground forces in Guam, they are surely reviewing where, when, and how their particular forces would be tasked to strike, and in what sequence.

In addition, our military leaders around the globe would be musing on how such an attack might embolden other military enemies to advance on our troops in other lands. And, of course, our military leaders in the Pentagon, and our civilian leaders in the White House, the State Department, and our many Intelligence agencies are working long hours on deciding what our alternatives may be.

God help and guide them all. Virtually any conflict, no matter how minor, has the potential to leave millions of people dead.

...

Carl in Tampa

I just hope the teenager in chief listens to his elders in mind and maturity.

Originally Posted by Guest

"Si vis pacem, para bellum" ("If you want peace, prepare for war") --- This Latin adage is adapted from a statement found in Book 3 of Latin author Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus's tract De Re Militari.

IN MY MIND, I SEE OUR MILITARY LEADERS AROUND THE GLOBE INTENSELY REVIEWING HIGHLY CLASSIFIED "Order of Battle" plans which outline the sequence of military actions for the troops under their command in the event that North Korea launches an attack towards Guam.

From our Naval Commanders on Aircraft Carriers, and the Air Wing Commanders, to the Captains of our "Boomer" Nuclear armed submarines, to our land based military in South Korea, and our Air and Ground forces in Guam, they are surely reviewing where, when, and how their particular forces would be tasked to strike, and in what sequence.

In addition, our military leaders around the globe would be musing on how such an attack might embolden other military enemies to advance on our troops in other lands. And, of course, our military leaders in the Pentagon, and our civilian leaders in the White House, the State Department, and our many Intelligence agencies are working long hours on deciding what our alternatives may be.

God help and guide them all. Virtually any conflict, no matter how minor, has the potential to leave millions of people dead.

...

Carl in Tampa

I concur, and pray for guidance for all.

ONE error in judgement or understanding in these situations can have a negative impact on a generation.

God....give them all judgement.

Originally Posted by Guest

Meaning...we have FEW friends in the world?

Well, no.

The post meant what it said. Our military has contingency plans to handle a variety of situations, and it is all built around the "Order of Battle," being a plan of who does what, and in what sequence.

There are already plans for possibilities that have never occurred to most people.

For instance, we have a plan for invading and defeating Canada.

"America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests." --- Secretary of State Henry Kissinger

Carl in Tampa

Originally Posted by Guest

I just hope the teenager in chief listens to his elders in mind and maturity.

Ignoring your cheap shot at the man who may soon have to make a decision that could result in the deaths of millions of people, I am overjoyed that he had the perspicacity to select The Warrior Monk, James "Mad Dog" Mattis, to be Secretary of Defense.

I am confident that Secretary Mattis has overseen a Battle Plan which will do as much as possible to neutralize the overwhelming conventional artillery and missiles directed at South Korea by neighboring North Korean forces. It is this part of the conflict, not a missile attack on Guam, which would result in the immediate infliction of millions of causalities.

I would expect that a simultaneous strike would be made towards missile launch sites and any missiles which might already be in the air directed toward us or our allies.

China has announced that if North Korea launches the first attack then China will not intervene against U.S. military retaliation. That is significant, because it was Chinese intervention that prevented the Allied Forces from overwhelming North Korea in the Korean War, leading to the present division of Korea.

Carl in Tampa

Clearly there is a lot of saber rattling going out. However there is also a lot of back room diplomacy occurring.

what Trump is doing is what should have been done better than 30 years ago. I do not view Trump as a teenager here but the adult in the room that puts his foot down and says we cannot tolerate this childishness any longer just
because this guy wants attention again.

We have capable military leaders and Trump will indeed listen to them because he respects strength

Personal Best Regards:

North Korea: Asians wonder if Trump or Kim Jong Un is more dangerous

Still see very little maturity on the part of Donald John Trump given the record of his behavior over much of his life and especially over the last 15 months or so.

Let's hope that his generals and and his wife as well as Ivanka Trump and her husband can tame this wild child in the White House.

Data Proves It: Trump Has The Emotional Maturity Of A Toddler

Originally Posted by Guest

North Korea: Asians wonder if Trump or Kim Jong Un is more dangerous

Still see very little maturity on the part of Donald John Trump given the record of his behavior over much of his life and especially over the last 15 months or so.

Let's hope that his generals and and his wife as well as Ivanka Trump and her husband can tame this wild child in the White House.

Data Proves It: Trump Has The Emotional Maturity Of A Toddler

Maturity?

The kind of maturity of a Cowardly Clinton who gave North Korea NUCLEAR REACTORS and millions in cash?

The maturity of Bumbling Bush and Obsequious Obama, who alternately threatened North Korea and then capitulated and did nothing to prevent his development of nuclear bombs and the ICBMs to deliver them?

We don't need any more of that "maturity."

What would you do if someone with a burning torch were in your front yard, threatening to throw the torch into your house where your family was confined?

Meekly say nothing, or warn the aggressor that there would be dire consequences for such an act?

President Trump is simply warning the aggressor.

He made no threats against North Korea until their government began saying that they were going to launch nuclear weapons against the United States.

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Think about this. Even if North Korea backs down rhetorically, now that we know they have developed this capability we must insist that North Korea be divested of nuclear weapons, or the threat remains. They could launch at any time without warning.

Carl in Tampa

Originally Posted by Guest

Maturity?

The kind of maturity of a Cowardly Clinton who gave North Korea NUCLEAR REACTORS and millions in cash?

The maturity of Bumbling Bush and Obsequious Obama, who alternately threatened North Korea and then capitulated and did nothing to prevent his development of nuclear bombs and the ICBMs to deliver them?

We don't need any more of that "maturity."

What would you do if someone with a burning torch were in your front yard, threatening to throw the torch into your house where your family was confined?

Meekly say nothing, or warn the aggressor that there would be dire consequences for such an act?

President Trump is simply warning the aggressor.

He made no threats against North Korea until their government began saying that they were going to launch nuclear weapons against the United States.

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Think about this. Even if North Korea backs down rhetorically, now that we know they have developed this capability we must insist that North Korea be divested of nuclear weapons, or the threat remains. They could launch at any time without warning.

Carl in Tampa

In regards to the underlined above, the truth is almost always more complicated...than short and easily memorized self-serving soundbites.

Bill Clinton Gave North Korea $2 Billion, Two Nuclear Reactors-Mostly Fiction!

Summary of eRumor:

President Bill Clinton essentially gave North Korea nukes in 1994 by giving them $2 billion and two nuclear reactors.

The Truth:

Bill Clinton reached an agreement in 1994 to “freeze” North Korea’s nuclear weapons program, and the idea that Clinton gave North Korea nukes doesn’t hold up.

Originally Posted by (unt

In regards to the underlined above, the truth is almost always more complicated...than short and easily memorized self-serving soundbites.

Bill Clinton Gave North Korea $2 Billion, Two Nuclear Reactors-Mostly Fiction!

So...what did Obamma do??? I doubt you can find anything that could be posted as thwarting...just useless pu$$y Obamma crap. The guy was a POS!



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Originally Posted by Guest

In regards to the underlined above, the truth is almost always more complicated...than short and easily memorized self-serving soundbites.

Bill Clinton Gave North Korea $2 Billion, Two Nuclear Reactors-Mostly Fiction!

Fiction plays very well on this forum. Avoiding discussion and posting from the latest chain email full of lies or simply plagiarizing the phoney thought seems to be norm. Reading bizarre websites, including satire and believing it is acceptable.

Being mislead by our own leaders as to the truth.

And doing it in the name of change.

It is like a very bad novel.

Originally Posted by Guest
Maturity?
The kind of maturity of a Cowardly Clinton who gave North Korea NUCLEAR REACTORS and millions in cash?

The maturity of Bumbling Bush and Obsequious Obama, who alternately threatened North Korea and then capitulated and did nothing to prevent his development of nuclear bombs and the ICBMs to deliver them?

We don't need any more of that "maturity."

What would you do if someone with a burning torch were in your front yard, threatening to throw the torch into your house where your family was confined?

Meekly say nothing, or warn the aggressor that there would be dire consequences for such an act?

President Trump is simply warning the aggressor.

He made no threats against North Korea until their government began saying that they were going to launch nuclear weapons against the United States.

-------------------------

Think about this. Even if North Korea backs down rhetorically, now that we know they have developed this capability we must insist that North Korea be divested of nuclear weapons, or the threat remains. They could launch at any time without warning.

Carl in Tampa

Originally Posted by Guest

In regards to the underlined above, the truth is almost always more complicated...than short and easily memorized self-serving soundbites.

Bill Clinton Gave North Korea $2 Billion, Two Nuclear Reactors-Mostly Fiction!

Quote:
Summary of eRumor:

President Bill Clinton essentially gave North Korea nukes in 1994 by giving them $2 billion and two nuclear reactors.

The Truth:

Bill Clinton reached an agreement in 1994 to “freeze” North Korea’s nuclear weapons program, and the idea that Clinton gave North Korea nukes doesn’t hold up.

My, my.................what a bizarre response.

You quote my posting, and then post a refutation that starts with allegations that I did not make, and and then say that your allegations are "mostly fiction."

In debate and in logic that is called the error of creating a "straw man" (alleging that your opponent took positions that he did not take) which you can easily knock down. It is pathetic.

AND you ignore my challenge that you explain what you would do in a specific situation that presented a threat to your family.

Inaction would bring disaster....................

Carl in Tampa

Originally Posted by Guest

Originally Posted by Guest
Maturity?
The kind of maturity of a Cowardly Clinton who gave North Korea NUCLEAR REACTORS and millions in cash?

The maturity of Bumbling Bush and Obsequious Obama, who alternately threatened North Korea and then capitulated and did nothing to prevent his development of nuclear bombs and the ICBMs to deliver them?

We don't need any more of that "maturity."

What would you do if someone with a burning torch were in your front yard, threatening to throw the torch into your house where your family was confined?

Meekly say nothing, or warn the aggressor that there would be dire consequences for such an act?

President Trump is simply warning the aggressor.

He made no threats against North Korea until their government began saying that they were going to launch nuclear weapons against the United States.

-------------------------

Think about this. Even if North Korea backs down rhetorically, now that we know they have developed this capability we must insist that North Korea be divested of nuclear weapons, or the threat remains. They could launch at any time without warning.

Carl in Tampa

My, my.................what a bizarre response.

You quote my posting, and then post a refutation that starts with allegations that I did not make, and and then say that your allegations are "mostly fiction."

In debate and in logic that is called the error of creating a "straw man" (alleging that your opponent took positions that he did not take) which you can easily knock down. It is pathetic.

AND you ignore my challenge that you explain what you would do in a specific situation that presented a threat to your family.

Inaction would bring disaster....................

Carl in Tampa

First of all, you made a statement that I simply proved was a lie.

Secondly, the straw-man that's trying to be built...is coming from your barn.

Thirdly, you really need to learn how to quote others and construct your responses in a cogent and methodical manner...so that you don't come across as having a totally garbled and closed mind.

If you don't know how to determine who made what post, because you have attributed things to me that I never said, e.g...

Originally Posted by Carl In Tampa

and then say that your allegations are "mostly fiction."

.... get one of your right-clique members to PM you and explain it.

I will give you credit for one thing however, it seems in about every third post you like to throw in how you supposedly worked for the Secret Service (apparently, to somehow express some type of superiority in your opinion over others)...but you haven't done it in this thread yet.



Now, as to having someone on my property threatening to burn my house down, of course I'm going to warn them that I will retaliate.

BUT, that pathetic analogy in the context of what is happening with NK is far beyond laughable...it is downright ignorant.

Starting with the fact, that even a moderately intelligent person understands that if the United States is attacked with nuclear weapons...OF COURSE we will retaliate in kind.

That IS the cornerstone of MAD.

But, you somehow think that biggest liar, blowhard and narcissist to ever occupy the WH (part time anyway ) saying it out loud...somehow makes him special?

Really?


So, now tell us how you can so avidly support and admire someone who has basically stated that the same intelligence community you claimed to have worked for...is so inept that they can't even be trusted when they ALL tell him that Russia attempted to affect our election?

I REALLY want to hear this one.

Originally Posted by Guest

First of all, you made a statement that I simply proved was a lie.

Secondly, the straw-man that's trying to be built...is coming from your barn.

Thirdly, you really need to learn how to quote others and construct your responses in a cogent and methodical manner...so that you don't come across as having a totally garbled and closed mind.

If you don't know how to determine who made what post, because you have attributed things to me that I never said, e.g...

.... get one of your right-clique members to PM you and explain it.

I will give you credit for one thing however, it seems in about every third post you like to throw in how you supposedly worked for the Secret Service (apparently, to somehow express some type of superiority in your opinion over others)...but you haven't done it in this thread yet.



Now, as to having someone on my property threatening to burn my house down, of course I'm going to warn them that I will retaliate.

BUT, that pathetic analogy in the context of what is happening with NK is far beyond laughable...it is downright ignorant.

Starting with the fact, that even a moderately intelligent person understands that if the United States is attacked with nuclear weapons...OF COURSE we will retaliate in kind.

That IS the cornerstone of MAD.

But, you somehow think that biggest liar, blowhard and narcissist to ever occupy the WH (part time anyway ) saying it out loud...somehow makes him special?

Really?


So, now tell us how you can so avidly support and admire someone who has basically stated that the same intelligence community you claimed to have worked for...is so inept that they can't even be trusted when they ALL tell him that Russia attempted to affect our election?

I REALLY want to hear this one.

You REALLY want to hear it? You bet'chum Red Rider.

I don't "avidly support" and admire our President and YOU CANNOT FIND ANY OF MY POSTINGS WHERE I DO.

And, please get better informed. The Secret Service is not a part of the "Intelligence Community." The Secret Service is a Law Enforcement Agency which came into existence after President Lincoln signed the bill which created it on April 15, 1865............... the same day that he was assassinated.

The Secret Service was created to suppress counterfeiting. That is still one mission of the Secret Service.

Abraham Lincoln Created The Secret Service The Day He Was Shot | Now I Know

I am astounded by your belief that you proved my statement that Clinton gave North Korea two nuclear reactors and millions of dollars was untrue by quoting a site that does not refute the statement.

Your "source," which is hardly authoritative, concedes that the U.S. agreed to replacement of North Korea’s graphite-moderated (plutonium) nuclear reactors with light-water reactor power plants. And, North Korea was given 500,000 TONS of heavy oil per year until the new reactors were on line.

Your source assumes this is the source of the claim that Clinton gave North Korea BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. Note that I didn't say Billions, but a more modest amount of Millions. At 500,000 tons of heavy oil per year, including transportation, storage, and delivery, this seems like a modest estimate.

I find your posts tiresome because you simply toss out gratuitous insults and don't direct your attention to the issues.

Carl in Tampa

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