Trump's moves to dismantle Obama's legacy, even against the wishes and advice of his own party and his advisors, led NPR to remind us that Sam Rayburn once said "Any jackass can kick down a barn. It takes a carpenter to build one."

Could it be he is ignoring the establishment?
The keepers of the swamp?
The establishment inundate and represent most of the incumbents....along with the democratic party still licking it's wounds from the 11/2016 election = the establishment resistance and anti Trumpismists on any subject, good or bad.

Originally Posted by Guest

Could it be he is ignoring the establishment?
The keepers of the swamp?
The establishment inundate and represent most of the incumbents....along with the democratic party still licking it's wounds from the 11/2016 election = the establishment resistance and anti Trumpismists on any subject, good or bad.

Nope. He promised a new health bill before dismantling. He failed. He now is going to do what he can to dismantle and screw anyone it hurts. The world and his advisors all have warned about irresponsible words and actions regarding Iran. His own generals just testified that the agreement was working. So, he simply makes a resiolution, wiping his hands of it and passing the buck to congress

I am against ACA..it is in Need of work, but he is simply going to screw over countless people to satisfy his own ego. A real American would work the system to get the work done

And I suspect all you pseudo patriots don't care either...country does not make your priority list

Sorry, wrong attribution in my original post. It was PBS NewsHour, Shields and Brooks, published on Oct 13, 2017

Originally Posted by Guest

Sorry, wrong attribution in my original post. It was PBS NewsHour, Shields and Brooks, published on Oct 13, 2017

Thanks for that clarification.

Originally Posted by Rockface

Nope. He promised a new health bill before dismantling. He failed. He now is going to do what he can to dismantle and screw anyone it hurts. The world and his advisors all have warned about irresponsible words and actions regarding Iran. His own generals just testified that the agreement was working. So, he simply makes a resiolution, wiping his hands of it and passing the buck to congress

I am against ACA..it is in Need of work, but he is simply going to screw over countless people to satisfy his own ego. A real American would work the system to get the work done

And I suspect all you pseudo patriots don't care either...country does not make your priority list

Yeah he failed to get congress to do their job. He was supportive of them getting the new bill thru, and he expressed disappointment when they failed twice in the last few months. I am sure your candidate (Dopey Smurf) would have all kinds of better ideas and would have gotten it done already...

Possibly congress will now be forced to get it done quickly, so all those people don't get screwed over...

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Originally Posted by wackadoodle

Thanks for that clarification.

Oh I am sure that made a big difference to you...

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Originally Posted by Guest

Yeah he failed to get congress to do their job. He was supportive of them getting the new bill thru, and he expressed disappointment when they failed twice in the last few months. I am sure your candidate (Dopey Smurf) would have all kinds of better ideas and would have gotten it done already...

Possibly congress will now be forced to get it done quickly, so all those people don't get screwed over...

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Nope...recall, he took TWO campaign trips instead of staying in Washington and working.

He was wishy washyt in the last two epweeks, and never left his office to work congress.

He is a basically very lazy and uninterested man

He did nothing as President, where he controlled the "bully pulpit" and all of congress.

He took those two trips and instead of actuall working

To the first point..

"Trump’s views about health care have been anything but consistent. Rather, there have been three constants: agnosticism about what a plan should look like; a fanatical desire to notch a win regardless of the quality of that win; and a refusal to give up.

In the meantime, Trump has vacillated frequently, mostly pinging between three incompatible positions: first, that Obamacare should be repealed and replaced; second, that Republicans should repeal Obamacare and worry about a replacement later; and third, as here, that Republicans should simply let Obamacare die. Let’s consider a somewhat simplified timeline of Trump’s views."

Those conflicting statements and views set all back on their heels.

He then spent most of his time on Twitter blaming everyone but himself and making accusatory statements.

He could have had it done if he worked at the job he was elected to do.

Originally Posted by Guest

Yeah he failed to get congress to do their job. He was supportive of them getting the new bill thru, and he expressed disappointment when they failed twice in the last few months. I am sure your candidate (Dopey Smurf) would have all kinds of better ideas and would have gotten it done already...

Possibly congress will now be forced to get it done quickly, so all those people don't get screwed over...

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Everybody had a proposal...everybody but him.

Trump is nothing more than an extremely insecure... sociopathic man-child.

He's just smart enough to know, that he can never hope to even approach the class, intelligence & competency of his predecessor(s) (any of them actually), so his only option is to try and figuratively erase Obama from history...through his own Executive Orders.

It won't work of course, but that won't stop him from continuing to try...and acting like a petulant child when he fails in doing so.

Future Presidential scholars, throughout the world, will not treat Trump kindly (simply through truthfulness) and my only hope is that Trump actually lives long enough after he quits/is removed...to read what a laughingstock he is seen as by the intelligent people of this world.

Originally Posted by Guest

Trump is nothing more than an extremely insecure... sociopathic man-child.

He's just smart enough to know, that he can never hope to even approach the class, intelligence & competency of his predecessor(s) (any of them actually), so his only option is to try and figuratively erase Obama from history...through his own Executive Orders.

It won't work of course, but that won't stop him from continuing to try...and acting like a petulant child when he fails in doing so.

Future Presidential scholars, throughout the world, will not treat Trump kindly (simply through truthfulness) and my only hope is that Trump actually lives long enough after he quits/is removed...to read what a laughingstock he is seen as by the intelligent people of this world.

He's already the laughingstock of the world. I wonder if he realizes it? 'I've never seen so many people flip the bird at a US motorcade' - New Zealanders give Rex Tillerson the middle finger

Originally Posted by Guest

Trump is nothing more than an extremely insecure... sociopathic man-child.

He's just smart enough to know, that he can never hope to even approach the class, intelligence & competency of his predecessor(s) (any of them actually), so his only option is to try and figuratively erase Obama from history...through his own Executive Orders.

It won't work of course, but that won't stop him from continuing to try...and acting like a petulant child when he fails in doing so.

Future Presidential scholars, throughout the world, will not treat Trump kindly (simply through truthfulness) and my only hope is that Trump actually lives long enough after he quits/is removed...to read what a laughingstock he is seen as by the intelligent people of this world.

My fears are these..


1. He isn't going to last one term..he will find a way to end this because he has lost control, and his ego will not allow, HOWEVER, he IS the President and thus can do a lot. Notice he is concentrating on social issues more than governing, and reading on here is indication that he LITERALLY can do anything to , not for this country and these people will support him.

2. As a result, whether he is impeached, resigns or whatever, he is such an egoist, he will bluster and thus this people who love him, INSTEAD of the country will follow suit. He delights in the adulation and will use it, and I fear he actually can start a social war on our streets. He has given us a sampling and I truely fear that. His followers have confused, and been brainwashed to think hating the opposition is patriotic, and hate for any criticism is expected. They are all traits of unamerican attitudes.

3. Or his bluster could simply accidentally begin a nuclear event, which will kill millions and put our civilization back..very far back.

He is never going to act as a mediator for anything peaceful, whether domestic or internationally. He will never admit wrong, and while his numbers are shrinking, as you read on here, there are narrow minded bigots who will follow his words.

I also consider him lacking any class...I keep hearing him bragging about screwing other men's wives..he was so proud and I never heard anyone do that. I actually am beginning to believe that something is amiss. He seems even worse than when this thing started. He surely has made our country, once proud, a laughing stock worldwide.

You won't like this, as you are a liberal and I a conservative, but he is destroying the Republican Party. What was an opportunity is now in shambles. Theynstand FOR NOTHING AT ALL. Your democrats are close to the same at present, but the GOP is sincerely and sadly being killed.

Originally Posted by Rockyrd

My fears are these..


1. He isn't going to last one term..he will find a way to end this because he has lost control, and his ego will not allow, HOWEVER, he IS the President and thus can do a lot. Notice he is concentrating on social issues more than governing, and reading on here is indication that he LITERALLY can do anything to , not for this country and these people will support him.

2. As a result, whether he is impeached, resigns or whatever, he is such an egoist, he will bluster and thus this people who love him, INSTEAD of the country will follow suit. He delights in the adulation and will use it, and I fear he actually can start a social war on our streets. He has given us a sampling and I truely fear that. His followers have confused, and been brainwashed to think hating the opposition is patriotic, and hate for any criticism is expected. They are all traits of unamerican attitudes.

3. Or his bluster could simply accidentally begin a nuclear event, which will kill millions and put our civilization back..very far back.

He is never going to act as a mediator for anything peaceful, whether domestic or internationally. He will never admit wrong, and while his numbers are shrinking, as you read on here, there are narrow minded bigots who will follow his words.

I also consider him lacking any class...I keep hearing him bragging about screwing other men's wives..he was so proud and I never heard anyone do that. I actually am beginning to believe that something is amiss. He seems even worse than when this thing started. He surely has made our country, once proud, a laughing stock worldwide.

You won't like this, as you are a liberal and I a conservative, but he is destroying the Republican Party. What was an opportunity is now in shambles. Theynstand FOR NOTHING AT ALL. Your democrats are close to the same at present, but the GOP is sincerely and sadly being killed.

Oh crap - more concerns, now called "fears". Is there anything you don't fear...fag?

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Originally Posted by Guest

My fears are these..


1. He isn't going to last one term..he will find a way to end this because he has lost control, and his ego will not allow, HOWEVER, he IS the President and thus can do a lot. Notice he is concentrating on social issues more than governing, and reading on here is indication that he LITERALLY can do anything to , not for this country and these people will support him.

2. As a result, whether he is impeached, resigns or whatever, he is such an egoist, he will bluster and thus this people who love him, INSTEAD of the country will follow suit. He delights in the adulation and will use it, and I fear he actually can start a social war on our streets. He has given us a sampling and I truely fear that. His followers have confused, and been brainwashed to think hating the opposition is patriotic, and hate for any criticism is expected. They are all traits of unamerican attitudes.

3. Or his bluster could simply accidentally begin a nuclear event, which will kill millions and put our civilization back..very far back.

He is never going to act as a mediator for anything peaceful, whether domestic or internationally. He will never admit wrong, and while his numbers are shrinking, as you read on here, there are narrow minded bigots who will follow his words.

I also consider him lacking any class...I keep hearing him bragging about screwing other men's wives..he was so proud and I never heard anyone do that. I actually am beginning to believe that something is amiss. He seems even worse than when this thing started. He surely has made our country, once proud, a laughing stock worldwide.

I completely agree with everything you say.

Originally Posted by Guest

You won't like this, as you are a liberal and I a conservative, but he is destroying the Republican Party. What was an opportunity is now in shambles. Theynstand FOR NOTHING AT ALL. Your democrats are close to the same at present, but the GOP is sincerely and sadly being killed.

Actually, you would be incorrect in thinking that I take any pleasure in watching Republicans meltdown...or even Dem's being unable to take advantage of it.

BOTH parties have let the extremists and the loudest screamers direct the agenda's...all to the detriment of this great nation.

I have always been a Centrist that leans right of center on most financial matters...but left on social issues.

Which means the sometimes dichotomy of believing in funding those programs that help the poor and disadvantaged...while still believing that overall national fiscal responsibility is important.

Just a few ways those not incompatible goals can be achieved, are by the cessation of subsidizing those corporations that pay so little that their employees must depend on government aid to survive...and eliminating the obscene corporate handouts/tax breaks given to those who least need it.

Trump may have already lost the Senate. Despite his awkward attempt to make nice with McConnell during their joint press conference Monday, the president remains at odds with Republican Senators John McCain, Susan Collins, and Lisa Murkowski, all of whom served as critical votes against Obamacare repeal, as well as moderates like Jeff Flake and former primary opponents like Marco Rubio. Those tensions broke into the open last week when Senator Bob Corker told The New York Times that the president’s erratic behavior could be a national security risk. Trump dismissed Corker as “a fool,” but privately, many Republicans were said to agree with his assessment. “He is a reasonably powerful member of Congress and he has the respect and affection of the rest of the Republican caucus,” Louis Michael Seidman, a constitutional law professor at Georgetown University, told me. “He is not someone like [Ted] Cruz or [Rand] Paul who people think less highly of . . . my understanding is that he has a lot of sway with his colleagues.” He is also one of several senators who could endanger Trump’s presidency should he decide not to defend him. “It is always a good idea not to **** off the chairs of important committees and certainly that all the more so when you anticipate needing something from them in the near future,” Josh Chafetz, a constitutional law professor at Cornell Law School, told me.

-https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/donald-trump-steve-bannon-2018-midterms?mbid=social_facebook