We know that President Trump and his campaign either colluded with the Russian effort to undermine U.S. democracy or tried mightily to do so. We know that Trump has apparently obstructed justice to try to halt investigation into what happened. What we don’t know is whether Congress, in the end, will do its sworn duty to protect the Constitution.

It is true that there is no federal statute against “collusion.” But a specific law is not necessary for citizens and their representatives in Congress to make a judgment: Is it acceptable for a presidential candidate and officials of his campaign to encourage an adversarial foreign power’s efforts to meddle in the U.S. election process — and then seek to reward that foreign power by easing sanctions? Yes or no?

After the election, the Trump transition team actively undermined sanctions that Obama had imposed on Russia for its election interference. And we know that members of the Trump campaign’s inner circle consistently failed to disclose their meetings with Russian officials and emissaries. There is a pattern of behavior here. It may or may not be illegal, but it is certainly shocking and unacceptable.

Ask yourself a common-sense question: If nothing wrong happened with Russia during the campaign, why is Trump so desperate to cover it up?

-https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/what-we-already-know-about-trump-and-russia-is-bad-enough/2017/12/04/8d2a7de6-d935-11e7-b1a8-62589434a581_story.html?utm_term=.891f351deaf2&wpi src=nl_opinions&wpmm=1

Originally Posted by Guest

We know that President Trump and his campaign either colluded with the Russian effort to undermine U.S. democracy or tried mightily to do so. We know that Trump has apparently obstructed justice to try to halt investigation into what happened. What we don’t know is whether Congress, in the end, will do its sworn duty to protect the Constitution.

It is true that there is no federal statute against “collusion.” But a specific law is not necessary for citizens and their representatives in Congress to make a judgment: Is it acceptable for a presidential candidate and officials of his campaign to encourage an adversarial foreign power’s efforts to meddle in the U.S. election process — and then seek to reward that foreign power by easing sanctions? Yes or no?

After the election, the Trump transition team actively undermined sanctions that Obama had imposed on Russia for its election interference. And we know that members of the Trump campaign’s inner circle consistently failed to disclose their meetings with Russian officials and emissaries. There is a pattern of behavior here. It may or may not be illegal, but it is certainly shocking and unacceptable.

Ask yourself a common-sense question: If nothing wrong happened with Russia during the campaign, why is Trump so desperate to cover it up?

-https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/what-we-already-know-about-trump-and-russia-is-bad-enough/2017/12/04/8d2a7de6-d935-11e7-b1a8-62589434a581_story.html?utm_term=.891f351deaf2&wpi src=nl_opinions&wpmm=1

Good questions. Mueller is working on getting answers.

Originally Posted by Guest

We know that President Trump and his campaign either colluded with the Russian effort to undermine U.S. democracy or tried mightily to do so. We know that Trump has apparently obstructed justice to try to halt investigation into what happened. What we don’t know is whether Congress, in the end, will do its sworn duty to protect the Constitution.

It is true that there is no federal statute against “collusion.” But a specific law is not necessary for citizens and their representatives in Congress to make a judgment: Is it acceptable for a presidential candidate and officials of his campaign to encourage an adversarial foreign power’s efforts to meddle in the U.S. election process — and then seek to reward that foreign power by easing sanctions? Yes or no?

After the election, the Trump transition team actively undermined sanctions that Obama had imposed on Russia for its election interference. And we know that members of the Trump campaign’s inner circle consistently failed to disclose their meetings with Russian officials and emissaries. There is a pattern of behavior here. It may or may not be illegal, but it is certainly shocking and unacceptable.

Ask yourself a common-sense question: If nothing wrong happened with Russia during the campaign, why is Trump so desperate to cover it up?

-https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/what-we-already-know-about-trump-and-russia-is-bad-enough/2017/12/04/8d2a7de6-d935-11e7-b1a8-62589434a581_story.html?utm_term=.891f351deaf2&wpi src=nl_opinions&wpmm=1

No, we don't KNOW any of what you say we KNOW. This is all speculation clouded by partisan politics.

We only know what the media tells us and they only know what politicians say.

What we actually know is that there is currently an investigation into Russian meddling in our political process.

We are also finding out that the person in charge of that investigation may have a political bias.

So much of this is simply a show by the opposing parties. They do not want us to know anything. They only want to fool us into voting for them. In some cases, they do that by making accusations against the opposing side. They know they are not true but this is the way that they stay in power.

It's all a big game to them and their only concern is getting re-elected and getting their party members elected. Please don't fall for all the nonsense.

Trump's Russia defense in disarray - CNNPolitics

A good link for this thread.

FBI director tells staff to 'expect -- and welcome' tough questions - CNNPolitics

Originally Posted by Guest

No, we don't KNOW any of what you say we KNOW. This is all speculation clouded by partisan politics.

We only know what the media tells us and they only know what politicians say.

What we actually know is that there is currently an investigation into Russian meddling in our political process.

We are also finding out that the person in charge of that investigation may have a political bias.

So much of this is simply a show by the opposing parties. They do not want us to know anything. They only want to fool us into voting for them. In some cases, they do that by making accusations against the opposing side. They know they are not true but this is the way that they stay in power.

It's all a big game to them and their only concern is getting re-elected and getting their party members elected. Please don't fall for all the nonsense.

Mueller (and Comey) are registered Republicans. Mueller (and Comey) were appointed by Republicans and confirmed by Republicans.

What is Trump so desperate to cover up? - The Washington Post

I hope this link from the first post works.

Originally Posted by Guest

Mueller (and Comey) are registered Republicans. Mueller (and Comey) were appointed by Republicans and confirmed by Republicans.

That is a good bit of information to repeat.

Originally Posted by Guest

No, we don't KNOW any of what you say we KNOW. This is all speculation clouded by partisan politics.

We only know what the media tells us and they only know what politicians say.

What we actually know is that there is currently an investigation into Russian meddling in our political process.

We are also finding out that the person in charge of that investigation may have a political bias.

So much of this is simply a show by the opposing parties. They do not want us to know anything. They only want to fool us into voting for them. In some cases, they do that by making accusations against the opposing side. They know they are not true but this is the way that they stay in power.

It's all a big game to them and their only concern is getting re-elected and getting their party members elected. Please don't fall for all the nonsense.

AND...MORE importantly...TO KEEP US DIVIDED..."us against them". "You against me". So we DON'T gang up on THEM...the corrupt, stealing from the treasury.

I don't know why some folks are in such a lather about Trump having done this or that or lied about this or that or said this or that.

He is merely operating in the latitude of the system vetted by Clinton and Obama.
Between the email, Benghazi and Clinton foundation cover ups by Clinton and all the racial and radical islamist denials by Obama there is plenty of room to navigate with no comparison to their brazen performances.

The only thing different is Clinton lost the sure thing election and all who had something to lose are still pi$$ed.

Originally Posted by Guest

I don't know why some folks are in such a lather about Trump having done this or that or lied about this or that or said this or that.

He is merely operating in the latitude of the system vetted by Clinton and Obama.
Between the email, Benghazi and Clinton foundation cover ups by Clinton and all the racial and radical islamist denials by Obama there is plenty of room to navigate with no comparison to their brazen performances.

The only thing different is Clinton lost the sure thing election and all who had something to lose are still pi$$ed.

Some day you will need to recognize the REAL PRESENT TIME, as it is, and not the past as you wish it were.

Originally Posted by billethkid

I don't know why some folks are in such a lather about Trump having done this or that or lied about this or that or said this or that.

He is merely operating in the latitude of the system vetted by Clinton and Obama.
Between the email, Benghazi and Clinton foundation cover ups by Clinton and all the racial and radical islamist denials by Obama there is plenty of room to navigate with no comparison to their brazen performances.

The only thing different is Clinton lost the sure thing election and all who had something to lose are still pi$$ed.

Clinton, Obama, Benghazi,,..... good grief. Don't forget about William Ayers and Reverend Wright. Your Trump defense is so tired. Time to set your WayBack Machine to January 2017.

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Originally Posted by Guest

Clinton, Obama, Benghazi,,..... good grief. Don't forget about William Ayers and Reverend Wright. Your Trump defense is so tired. Time to set your WayBack Machine to January 2017.

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Time to set the wayback clock is right. Tell that to those in the witch hunting and anti Trump dirt digging crew...who live in the wayback realm.
Why is there an objection to the notion of using and processing with the same optics and rules as used during the Clinton/Obama era???

Originally Posted by Guest

I don't know why some folks are in such a lather about Trump having done this or that or lied about this or that or said this or that.

He is merely operating in the latitude of the system vetted by Clinton and Obama.
Between the email, Benghazi and Clinton foundation cover ups by Clinton and all the racial and radical islamist denials by Obama there is plenty of room to navigate with no comparison to their brazen performances.

The only thing different is Clinton lost the sure thing election and all who had something to lose are still pi$$ed.

Benghazi? You all spent 5 million dollars on that Congressional Inquiry..... Benghazi wasn't the US Embassy, the actually Embassy was in Tripoli!

There have been terrorist attacks on an actual American Embassy, in point of fact 2, Kenya and Tanzania. Were there any Congressional Hearings with the Sec of State at that time? My nephew was on duty when the bomb when off in Tanzania.

Hillary Clinton is not to blame for this attack! No planes were called back! What she and Susan Rice are to blame
for is the spin story on the Sunday News shows.

Did Condi Rice get investigated in regard to her "Mushroom Cloud" false statement on those same shows in the run up to the Iraq war? The war that Dick Cheney said would be over in only a few months? Not hardly.... Was George W Bush impeached for using waterboarding torture? But he should have been, in fact, the Democrats agreed not to bring impeachment proceeding on Bush for the good of the country!

COPUFF

Originally Posted by Guest

I don't know why some folks are in such a lather about Trump having done this or that or lied about this or that or said this or that.

He is merely operating in the latitude of the system vetted by Clinton and Obama.
Between the email, Benghazi and Clinton foundation cover ups by Clinton and all the racial and radical islamist denials by Obama there is plenty of room to navigate with no comparison to their brazen performances.

The only thing different is Clinton lost the sure thing election and all who had something to lose are still pi$$ed.

Oh, dear God are we still whining about seven year old emails and Benghazi? Trump had a server in Trump Tower that was DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO RUSSIA and you whine that Hillary didn't save her recipes for fudge?
Benghazi was exhaustively investigated - the military was found at fault - but on the same number of military deaths in Africa, under strange circumstances, receives total silence since Trump was in charge of that.

FBI' 'probes' '‘odd’' 'link' 'between' 'Trump' 'server' 'and' 'Russia’s' 'Alfa' 'Bank' '-' 'France' '24

Originally Posted by Guest

Mueller (and Comey) are registered Republicans. Mueller (and Comey) were appointed by Republicans and confirmed by Republicans.

Most of the Washington establishment, both Democrats and Republicans want to maintain the status quo. They will cross party lines and unite to fight against anything that threatens to upset the way things have been done in Washington for the past 100 years. Trump is a huge threat to this and members of both parties will fight against him.

Republicans have to be much more careful and insidious when going against the president because they risk losing in their re-election campaigns if they lose the Trump supporters in their constituency, but they will do what they can to defeat him while attempting to look like they support him.

Nothing in our government is as it appears. Don't be fooled by Democrats vs. Republicans. That is all for show and although each would prefer to have members of their own party elected, they all would rather have someone that plays the Washington game than someone of their own party that doesn't.

The president is not only fighting the Democrats who can openly oppose him, but he's also fighting members of his own party who say one thing and do another.

President Trump is a threat to the swamp. All of the denizens of the swamp will work to oust him.