Today on this board the President has been called a "breath of fresh air"....he has been called a great leader and manager.....I happen to agree with this statement from Mitt Romney today...

"A Campaign Begins Today [Mitt Romney]


America has just witnessed an unconscionable abuse of power. President Obama has betrayed his oath to the nation — rather than bringing us together, ushering in a new kind of politics, and rising above raw partisanship, he has succumbed to the lowest denominator of incumbent power: justifying the means by extolling the ends. He promised better; we deserved better.

He calls his accomplishment “historic” — in this he is correct, although not for the reason he intends. Rather, it is an historic usurpation of the legislative process — he unleashed the nuclear option, enlisted not a single Republican vote in either chamber, bribed reluctant members of his own party, paid-off his union backers, scapegoated insurers, and justified his act with patently fraudulent accounting. What Barack Obama has ushered into the American political landscape is not good for our country; in the words of an ancient maxim, “what starts twisted, ends twisted.”
His health-care bill is unhealthy for America. It raises taxes, slashes the more private side of Medicare, installs price controls, and puts a new federal bureaucracy in charge of health care. It will create a new entitlement even as the ones we already have are bankrupt. For these reasons and more, the act should be repealed. That campaign begins today."

http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...zQyOTM1ZmIzNTI

This was a politial act that has no equal in history, at least none that I recall. How can people ignore how he got here....in the smoke filled back rooms (and that is literal), the payoffs and we applaud him

All true.

I think what we have is what I coin "blissfully ignorant liberals." They are the normal everyday otherwise good people who to them as long as it sounds good and feels good they don't dig much deeper. Outcomes and actual consequences don't really matter. Some people don't have health insurance and thats a bad thing so lets get for them. Sounds wonderful and fair.

They are totally blind to is the sinister anti-American, anti-freedom forces at work who in the name of feel good and fairness propose incremental polices that attack everything that has made America great. They do it in the name of the people but in fact they do it in their own names alone.

They are (current administration) power hungry, corrupt, anti-constitutuion, anti-fee market, anti-capitolisum. They believe and have been taught that America is evil. We are the source of most of the worlds problems. Rich are evil, the poor need to be taken care of by the government on the backs of the producers. They set up a system where you have no choice but to need them. That is where their power comes from. If you oppose it they will do exactly what they did the other night... at any cost.

We are not freedom fighters we are simply murders who force our military on other countries, never mind the hundreds of millions we have liberated with our blood over the course of history. This is what Obama and his type believe and their solution is America should be taken down and rebuilt. That's the end game for them.

The BIL's go along for the ride because the agenda is neatly packaged in feel good, sound good and fairness.

Meanwhile right before their eyes, liberty is being systematically stripped away. When it's gone it will be too late.

Originally Posted by Bucco

Today on this board the President has been called a "breath of fresh air"....he has been called a great leader and manager.....I happen to agree with this statement from Mitt Romney today...

"A Campaign Begins Today [Mitt Romney]


America has just witnessed an unconscionable abuse of power. President Obama has betrayed his oath to the nation — rather than bringing us together, ushering in a new kind of politics, and rising above raw partisanship, he has succumbed to the lowest denominator of incumbent power: justifying the means by extolling the ends. He promised better; we deserved better.

He calls his accomplishment “historic” — in this he is correct, although not for the reason he intends. Rather, it is an historic usurpation of the legislative process — he unleashed the nuclear option, enlisted not a single Republican vote in either chamber, bribed reluctant members of his own party, paid-off his union backers, scapegoated insurers, and justified his act with patently fraudulent accounting. What Barack Obama has ushered into the American political landscape is not good for our country; in the words of an ancient maxim, “what starts twisted, ends twisted.”
His health-care bill is unhealthy for America. It raises taxes, slashes the more private side of Medicare, installs price controls, and puts a new federal bureaucracy in charge of health care. It will create a new entitlement even as the ones we already have are bankrupt. For these reasons and more, the act should be repealed. That campaign begins today."

http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...zQyOTM1ZmIzNTI

This was a politial act that has no equal in history, at least none that I recall. How can people ignore how he got here....in the smoke filled back rooms (and that is literal), the payoffs and we applaud him

Gee, isn't that the same Mitt Romney who -- as Mass. governor -- sponsored almost identical legislation that the state legislature approved by a majority of members (including now U.S. Senator Scott Brown) and then signed into law?
I'm aghast...another political flip-flop!

You're glossing over the issue. It's not about about Mitt.

The liberals ( aka democrats) are not reading this because they are busy patting themselves on the back and feeling real good about themselves,sipping their chablis wine and munching on brie cheese. Most are the academia types who never had to toil in the private sector and mostly ignorant on where and how their paychecks came to be.
But they figure the great unwashed will be taken care of and they can go back to their upscale lifestyle and their pursuits without the guilt that drives their ego's.

Meanwhile, small businesses are worried about more expenses and maybe they will have to lay-off more people. The majority of people are puzzled as to how we can add another entitlement to the ones already going bankrupt.
Gee, I bumped into alot of grouchy people today. I guess I hang out with the wrong people.

The majority of people are puzzled as to how we can add another entitlement to the ones already going bankrupt.

Not something a liberal would ponder.

Originally Posted by saratogaman

Gee, isn't that the same Mitt Romney who -- as Mass. governor -- sponsored almost identical legislation that the state legislature approved by a majority of members (including now U.S. Senator Scott Brown) and then signed into law?
I'm aghast...another political flip-flop!

You obviously are all giddy today but you TOTALLY 100% missed what he said.......he was talking about the dirty, corrupt process that was used to get this bill passed in WASH !

You may be interested...I am not sure how many,IF ANY of the democrats from Mass voted for this bill, and you may also be interested to know that the Dem governor who followed up there eliminated a provision in that bill to provide transparency which has driven up costs.

I would also suggest that you lay the plans side by side and you will see the differences.

AGAIN....The point of the thread is the dirty PROCESS used, so please read it again and respond !

Originally Posted by Bucco

You obviously are all giddy today but you TOTALLY 100% missed what he said.......he was talking about the dirty, corrupt process that was used to get this bill passed in WASH !

You may be interested...I am not sure how many,IF ANY of the democrats from Mass voted for this bill, and you may also be interested to know that the Dem governor who followed up there eliminated a provision in that bill to provide transparency which has driven up costs.

I would also suggest that you lay the plans side by side and you will see the differences.

AGAIN....The point of the thread is the dirty PROCESS used, so please read it again and respond !

This "dirty process" tag is just another example of your conviction which was in place before the President was elected and, it appears, you will under no circumstances change, regardless of the facts.

The process by which health care reform occurred is better described as open and egalitarian, especially in comparison to how previous major legislation was enacted. If you study history you know that "great" Presidents like Lincoln and the Roosevelts really did some serious arm twisting. Lyndon Johnson had congressmen by the throats, (and other body parts), virtually dictating the monumental civil rights laws. And JQ Public had little or no information about what was happening while those events unfolded. By your definition those were "dirty processes" yet there is overwhelming consensus that the legislation passed under those circumstances were important, positive steps in our nation's progress.

In contrast, health care reform was an announced goal from Day 1. Knowledgeable people from all backgrounds and political persuasions were invited to contribute their ideas. Eventually, a bill, with provisions from Republicans and Democrats was drafted and published everywhere. Members of both parties suggested revisions and even things the President really wanted, (like the public option), were compromised. In the end, the bills in both houses retained the fundamentally important elements needed to make this a good initial piece of legislation. The process was more open than perhaps any other act of Congress in history, and I confidently predict, while many of us are still living, the new law will be judged another important step in our nation's progress.

The Republicans boxed themselves in early. Leaders like Romney dredged up every conceivable scare tactic and half-truth to discredit every piece of the proposal, just to defeat it at any cost. The rank-in-file followed along like sheep because they knew there would be a death penalty for breaking solidarity. The Republicans used the same tactic they used during the 90's and previously, fueled by millions of special interest dollars. And because they knew it would take at least a year to go through the process, they had time to add the frenzied effort to incite the citizenry. It just didn't work this time. Last evening, the best they could muster was a few thousand supporters spewing hatred and threats, and a "distinguished gentlemen" calling his pro-life colleague a "baby killer".

If you know Romney's history, surely you understand why he would make such an extreme political statement today. I would think you would see through the exaggerated wording and obvious political motivation instead of adopting it as your rationale for an objective judgement of the reform bill.

What a bunch of hooey. Obama has broken almost every one of his campaign promises. He doesn't care about anything except getting his name on this bill. We can not afford this monstrosity. This isn't about health care it is about power. Plain and simple.
This could be the straw the broke the camel's back. Our whole financial institute is collapsing and we are adding more burdens to it? Anyways, it is not over. This will be repealed, maybe by the Supreme Court!!!!

ijusluvit, your observation, "The process by which health care reform occurred is better described as open and egalitarian..." really speaks volumes about your views and what happened when the healthcare bill was passed.

The definition of the word "egalitarian,' when used in the philosophical sense you used to describe the process, is:

At a cultural level, egalitarian theories have developed in sophistication and acceptance during the past two hundred years. Among the notable broadly egalitarian philosophies are socialism, communism, anarchism, left-libertarianism, and progressivism, all of which propound economic, political, and legal egalitarianism, respectively.
"It holds that all people should be treated as equals and have the same political, economic, social, and civil rights[2] or as a social philosophy advocating the removal of economic inequalities among people."

Very telling indeed. I don't even need to go into your apparent approval of strong arm tactics to force a view.

Like a good little soldier ijusluvit, your words speak loudly, "I confidently predict, while many of us are still living, the new law will be judged another important step in our nation's progress."

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

ijusluvit, your observation, "The process by which health care reform occurred is better described as open and egalitarian..." really speaks volumes about your views and what happened when the healthcare bill was passed.

The definition of the word "egalitarian,' when used in the philosophical sense you used to describe the process, is:

At a cultural level, egalitarian theories have developed in sophistication and acceptance during the past two hundred years. Among the notable broadly egalitarian philosophies are socialism, communism, anarchism, left-libertarianism, and progressivism, all of which propound economic, political, and legal egalitarianism, respectively.
"It holds that all people should be treated as equals and have the same political, economic, social, and civil rights[2] or as a social philosophy advocating the removal of economic inequalities among people."

Very telling indeed. I don't even need to go into your apparent approval of strong arm tactics to force a view.

Like a good little soldier ijusluvit, your words speak loudly, "I confidently predict, while many of us are still living, the new law will be judged another important step in our nation's progress."

Forgive me, I can't get your drift here. My definition of egalitarian is simply "accessible" or "responsive to the public".

You can't have a different definition for a word. Why would you use a word like that and not know what it means?

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

Forgive me, I can't get your drift here. My definition of egalitarian is simply "accessible" or "responsive to the public".

Egalitarian and equalitarian mean the same thing.

Your poetic license in the use of the word as meaning "responsive to the public" is really beyond any relevance to what Obama did in ignoring the majority of the public's wishes on this horrible bill.

Please allow me to forecast slightly, with the passage of the Health Care Bill, which many have predicted will change the future, I ask.....for he best or worst? And what prevents the absolution and adoption of all the illegal immigrants in our country? The "enlightened liberals" have no concept of fiscal restraint, nor the results of an economy recovering with jobs.

Originally Posted by GatbTester

Please allow me to forecast slightly, with the passage of the Health Care Bill, which many have predicted will change the future, I ask.....for he best or worst? And what prevents the absolution and adoption of all the illegal immigrants in our country? The "enlightened liberals" have no concept of fiscal restraint, nor the results of an economy recovering with jobs.

Our President has promised to address the illegal immigrants in this country as his next URGENT item....who knows what this will entail. But one thing for sure, it will give "someone" a lot of votes if done by November !!!