[wlasowicz]

Curious Has anyone a good understand why the sewer rates seem to be expensive . Yes I know there is a cost to make sewerage waste clean for discharge. My understand ( correct me if I'm wrong ) when sewerage is cleaned it goes into retention ponds gets used then for those who irrigate their lawn, in one way or the other we pay a cost in our irrigation bill and amenity bill for the golf courses and public spaces . I know in my primary home up north the waste by product from the sewerage plant is sold as bulk fertilizer .To me it seem someone is making money on that non potable water

[twoplanekid]

I am currently on the NSCUDD board that handles the water systems from 466 down to 44. You can view our budget at the following link -> VCDD Office of Management and Budget

And are most welcome to attend any of our board meetings held at SeaBreeze Rec Center in the Villages. Our April 11th meeting at 3PM will be listed here in a few days -> VCDD Meetings/Agendas

Budget meetings will start in May to cover any and all items in detail. The public is also invited to these budget meetings.

I and a few others on the board ask many questions to try to keep yours and our cost as low as we can. Please come to a meeting to say hi and ask questions to be better informed.

Rick Rademacher

[tophcfa]

This sewer rate thing is a timely thread, I was reviewing our utilities bills this morning. I can’t speak for sewer rates south of 466, but where we live north of 466 the sewer rates are designed to totally screw part time residents and subsidize full timers. Our sewer rates last November and December were $45.81 each month, broken down between $17.91 base rate and $27.90 use rate. Since we weren’t there for a single day either month, and our water was turned off, the only water used was for irrigation. The irrigation water is soaked up by our lawn and garden plants and doesn’t go into the sewer. Therefore, we were charged $45.81 each month for not putting a drop of water in the sewer. During January, February, and March, when we were at our home and used lots of water besides irrigation, our sewer base rate remained the same but our sewer use rate actually went down each month from when we weren’t there and our water was turned off. I have no problem with paying a base rate when not there, but being charged more when we are not there for not putting a drop of water in the sewer than when we are there using lots of water makes absolutely no sense. I will be making some phone calls tomorrow morning, hopefully I won’t be talking to deaf ears.

[Garywt]

I have no idea where treated sewer water goes. I always thought the ponds were storm water for the most part.

Anyway sewer charges are always more than water charges. We have a base rate of $22 for sewer. We are very part time, 5-6 weeks a year. Our water/sewer bill is generally $45 but once in awhile it is $55. This included irrigation as we do not have a separate meter for that, just one meter for all water use.

[retiredguy123]

The sewer water goes to a sewage treatment plant to be treated and recycled as potable water. I don't think it ends up in the ponds. Treating sewer water is a very complicated and expensive process. I don't think the sewer water cost in The Villages is expensive compared to other areas of the country. The irrigation and pond water system is a different and less complicated system from the potable water system.

[MSchad]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

This sewer rate thing is a timely thread, I was reviewing our utilities bills this morning. I can’t speak for sewer rates south of 466, but where we live north of 466 the sewer rates are designed to totally screw part time residents and subsidize full timers.

They are not “designed” to screw part time residents. You choose to be here part time. Does the formula used for your rates back home change when you are here?

[thevillages2013]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

The sewer water goes to a sewage treatment plant to be treated and recycled as potable water. I don't think it ends up in the ponds. Treating sewer water is a very complicated and expensive process. I don't think the sewer water cost in The Villages is expensive compared to other areas of the country. The irrigation and pond water system is a different and less complicated system from the potable water system.

That’s why my water tastes so bad!

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

The sewer water goes to a sewage treatment plant to be treated and recycled as potable water. I don't think it ends up in the ponds. Treating sewer water is a very complicated and expensive process. I don't think the sewer water cost in The Villages is expensive compared to other areas of the country. The irrigation and pond water system is a different and less complicated system from the potable water system.

See the information on wastewater handling and storm water handling from the District Workshops.

It appears that wastewater (sewer water) is treated and then collected in ponds for use primarily on the golf courses. Storm water runoff is collected in separate ponds and for use primarily as lawn irrigation.

[thevillages2013]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

This sewer rate thing is a timely thread, I was reviewing our utilities bills this morning. I can’t speak for sewer rates south of 466, but where we live north of 466 the sewer rates are designed to totally screw part time residents and subsidize full timers. Our sewer rates last November and December were $45.81 each month, broken down between $17.91 base rate and $27.90 use rate. Since we weren’t there for a single day either month, and our water was turned off, the only water used was for irrigation. The irrigation water is soaked up by our lawn and garden plants and doesn’t go into the sewer. Therefore, we were charged $45.81 each month for not putting a drop of water in the sewer. During January, February, and March, when we were at our home and used lots of water besides irrigation, our sewer base rate remained the same but our sewer use rate actually went down each month from when we weren’t there and our water was turned off. I have no problem with paying a base rate when not there, but being charged more when we are not there for not putting a drop of water in the sewer than when we are there using lots of water makes absolutely no sense. I will be making some phone calls tomorrow morning, hopefully I won’t be talking to deaf ears.

This has nothing to do with part time vs full time residents. In your location the irrigation water and potable water are not separated so therefore you pay sewer on irrigation water usage. Has to do more with how dry those months are than anything else.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

The sewer water goes to a sewage treatment plant to be treated and recycled as potable water. I don't think it ends up in the ponds. Treating sewer water is a very complicated and expensive process. I don't think the sewer water cost in The Villages is expensive compared to other areas of the country. The irrigation and pond water system is a different and less complicated system from the potable water system.

Where did you get this information? I have never read "recycled as potable water".

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Where did you get this information? I have never read "recycled as potable water".

I admit that is an oversimplified statement. I don't know the exact process used in The Villages, but all raw sewage from your sinks and toilets is piped to a sewage treatment plant, treated chemically, filtered, and eventually re-used somewhere. My main point was that sewer water from your house is handled differently from storm water. They are two separate water systems.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by MSchad

They are not “designed” to screw part time residents. You choose to be here part time. Does the formula used for your rates back home change when you are here?

We have a well and septic system at our other home.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by thevillages2013

This has nothing to do with part time vs full time residents. In your location the irrigation water and potable water are not separated so therefore you pay sewer on irrigation water usage. Has to do more with how dry those months are than anything else.

It has absolutely nothing to do with how dry the months are, the irrigation system is on a timer and we don’t have a rain sensor in our system. The irrigation runs the same amount every week regardless, every Sunday and Wednesday night starting at 2 A.M. Our irrigation water usage is always constant throughout the year, and I realize that north of 466 the irrigation uses potable water (which I like because I don’t have to worry about stray irrigation water going into our pool). My problem is that our bill shows much higher water usage, and associated sewer charges, when we are not there and our water is turned off (the irrigation is on a bypass from the valve that shuts off water from the house and hose bib). When we are there, the water to the house is obviously turned on and we use significantly more water, yet our bills indicate lower water usage and sewer charges. So when we aren’t there, the water is off, and we are using much less water and not putting anything in the sewer, yet our bills are higher? Reconcile that!

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

I admit that is an oversimplified statement. I don't know the exact process used in The Villages, but all raw sewage from your sinks and toilets is piped to a sewage treatment plant, treated chemically, filtered, and eventually re-used somewhere. My main point was that sewer water from your house is handled differently from storm water. They are two separate water systems.

"The sewer water goes to a sewage treatment plant to be treated and recycled as potable water."

If you don't know.....why make such a statement?

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

"The sewer water goes to a sewage treatment plant to be treated and recycled as potable water."

If you don't know.....why make such a statement?

My bad. The OP was complaining that the sewer rates are high. I was pointing out that water is water and it all gets recycled eventually. However, it is a lot more complcated and expensive to process raw sewage water than to process irrigation/storm water. That is why sewer rates are high. Any water can be converted into potable water, but that is also an expensive process. The sewer rates in The Villages are based on the amount of potable water used, and it is more expensive than the irrigation water used. Some people don't realize that the potable water used in the house travels through a different piping drainage system than the irrigation/storm water, and it must be processed at a sewage treatment plant. Although, in some older Villages sections, the only water piped to the house is potable water. Those people are paying a higher price to water their lawns because they need to use potable water and pay a sewer rate for it.