When a candidate, while berating the administration at the time, this was a question and answer on the use of military...

"Question: In what circumstances, if any, would the president have constitutional authority to bomb Iran without seeking a use-of-force authorization from Congress? (Specifically, what about the strategic bombing of suspected nuclear sites -- a situation that does not involve stopping an IMMINENT threat?)

Obama: The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

As Commander-in-Chief, the President does have a duty to protect and defend the United States. In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent. History has shown us time and again, however, that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch. It is always preferable to have the informed consent of Congress prior to any military action.

Now as he vacations, he does not abide....I cannot understand how anyone still has any support for this man...he is a career politician with no leadership ability !

PS....I also want to add and am fairly confident that I am correct in this...while on this forum there was constant laughter and chagrin at the previous administration and their coalition; remarking how few countries were involved, this present coalition has HALF the number of countries on board !

didn't blunder his way in there like Bush did in Iraq. Eight years later we're still mired in Iraq with no end in sight thanks to Bush and his lies. You claim that Obama has no leadership qualities, while Bush couldn't string two coherent sentences together. Somehow I have a feeling that you'd be critical of Obama
whatever course of action he took in Lybia.

Originally Posted by actor

didn't blunder his way in there like Bush did in Iraq. Eight years later we're still mired in Iraq with no end in sight thanks to Bush and his lies. You claim that Obama has no leadership qualities, while Bush couldn't string two coherent sentences together. Somehow I have a feeling that you'd be critical of Obama
whatever course of action he took in Lybia.

Number ONE...I did not compare him to Bush; that seems to be the one and only constant we have in this administration !

Number two...you are not COMPLETELY correct in being critical of him. I am simply pointing out the total lying this man did to get elected and will do to try and get re elected. I am not even that opposed to what he is doing in Libya.

I was told during the campaign, both primary and general...in very colorful language...how stupid I was not to love him...how wrong I was to question him and what he said because, and YOU POINT THIS OUT IN A WAY...he said it so beautifully.

He is, ALWAYS HAS BEEN, a politician with NO experience in anyway and he does not always tell the truth. I am not saying he is any different than any other politician......HOWEVER most did during the campaign. NOBODY would listen to what this man is all about politically...NOBODY would listen to what his aspirations and shortcomings were politically....ALL THEY WANTED TO DO IS WHAT YOU DID....mention and compare to the previous President !

YES, I am pointing out the contradictions about this man because when the time comes and the lights come on for election 2012, the media will not

Bucco,I think all politicians lie or to be kind stretch the truth in order to be elected. It is our job to figure out whos lies we can tolerate and whose lies are going to hurt us. I do think that Obama lied to us but unfortunately a President lying to us is nothing new. I know we can at least go back to Nixon and follow the lies straight to Obama. I just don't know why they feel like they can't tell us the truth. Maybe the Jack Nicholson line"you can't handle the truth"is more fact than fiction.

Originally Posted by Bucco

When a candidate, while berating the administration at the time, this was a question and answer on the use of military...

"Question: In what circumstances, if any, would the president have constitutional authority to bomb Iran without seeking a use-of-force authorization from Congress? (Specifically, what about the strategic bombing of suspected nuclear sites -- a situation that does not involve stopping an IMMINENT threat?)

Obama: The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

As Commander-in-Chief, the President does have a duty to protect and defend the United States. In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent. History has shown us time and again, however, that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch. It is always preferable to have the informed consent of Congress prior to any military action.

Now as he vacations, he does not abide....I cannot understand how anyone still has any support for this man...he is a career politician with no leadership ability !

PS....I also want to add and am fairly confident that I am correct in this...while on this forum there was constant laughter and chagrin at the previous administration and their coalition; remarking how few countries were involved, this present coalition has HALF the number of countries on board !

I take it this is the big "LIE"......

Obama: The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.


I am totally confused.... Cause I see it as a statement of fact regarding the Constitution. So if the Constitution includes that statement he did NOT lie.

Now is he in violation of the Constitution....seems so. But then what he is doing is unconstitutional but still NOT A LIE.

Do I like what he is doing....nope I never like putting American servicemen and women in harms way when it does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

And now a plane is down.....

Without naming any names what other administrations have been in violation of this policy. So I will start with Kennedy and Johnson. (Vietnam war)

Please join in...................

Originally Posted by waynet

Bucco,I think all politicians lie or to be kind stretch the truth in order to be elected. It is our job to figure out whos lies we can tolerate and whose lies are going to hurt us. I do think that Obama lied to us but unfortunately a President lying to us is nothing new. I know we can at least go back to Nixon and follow the lies straight to Obama. I just don't know why they feel like they can't tell us the truth. Maybe the Jack Nicholson line"you can't handle the truth"is more fact than fiction.

I do not disagree with what you say !

My initial posting compared President Obama to himself ! Quickly we switch gears and begin to compare him to Bush which makes no sense whatsoever to me.

Things change when you get the WH...I get that and totally understand it. Obama followers seem to feel it only happened during the Bush WH and that our current President is above the fray...he is not ! I fear the media will once again bless him early and often !

Originally Posted by cologal

I take it this is the big "LIE"......

Obama: The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.


I am totally confused.... Cause I see it as a statement of fact regarding the Constitution. So if the Constitution includes that statement he did NOT lie.

Now is he in violation of the Constitution....seems so. But then what he is doing is unconstitutional but still NOT A LIE.

Do I like what he is doing....nope I never like putting American servicemen and women in harms way when it does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

And now a plane is down.....

Without naming any names what other administrations have been in violation of this policy. So I will start with Kennedy and Johnson. (Vietnam war)

Please join in...................

As usual, you twist in order to make YOUR point and ignore what is typed !

I simply stated that the man made definitive statement...I did not question that statement or its constitutionality, and pointed out his actions were not consistent with that statement.

You and others have just got to make the comparison....enjoy

Oh, but he did get the permission of the Arab League just not the congress !

Originally Posted by Bucco

As usual, you twist in order to make YOUR point and ignore what is typed !

I simply stated that the man made definitive statement...I did not question that statement or its constitutionality, and pointed out his actions were not consistent with that statement.

You and others have just got to make the comparison....enjoy

Oh, but he did get the permission of the Arab League just not the congress !

See Bucco .... I try to read everything before I post. So in another post you said this:

I am simply pointing out the total lying this man did to get elected and will do to try and get re elected. I am not even that opposed to what he is doing in Libya.

No twisting of your words here.

Originally Posted by cologal

See Bucco .... I try to read everything before I post. So in another post you said this:

I am simply pointing out the total lying this man did to get elected and will do to try and get re elected. I am not even that opposed to what he is doing in Libya.

No twisting of your words here.

He did lie to get elected. Had he told the truth much of his campaign would have taken a nose dive because he couldn't blame Bush.

Originally Posted by Bucco

He did lie to get elected. Had he told the truth much of his campaign would have taken a nose dive because he couldn't blame Bush.

This answer is priceless...

Bucco,my post did not mention the name Bush. You are getting paranoid about Bush comparisons.

Originally Posted by cologal

This answer is priceless...

Lets see.....it was Bush's fault and so mentioned frequently by Obama that the housing crisis occured...we now find that not to be true but the congressional folks overseeing.

It was terrible, the GTMO prison..gotta close it...still open

The Patriot act was really an intrusion....extended by this administration

The deficit, WHILE SURELY PARTLY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF BUSH, was all his fault according to candidate Obama

While Obama did NOT blame specifically Bush for the Abu Graib stuff, if you check the news in the last few days, you will find photos circulating of much more grevious nature in Afghan.

I could go on, but we have pretty much dismantled much of the Obama platform !!!

Originally Posted by waynet

Bucco,my post did not mention the name Bush. You are getting paranoid about Bush comparisons.

I think my response to YOU agreed with your post for the most part and the mention of Bush was my comment and not in response to you or any comments of yours. You may be the one getting paranoid...sorry I did not check with you before posting !