for running up the debt and lowering our credit rating.

http://campaign2012.washingtonexamin...mint-was-right

that was passed by the House would have prevented the rating decrease.

http://campaign2012.washingtonexamin...edit-downgrade


“I will work to oppose both of these downgrade deals and continue to fight for Cut, Cap & Balance. The bipartisan House-passed Cut, Cap & Balance is the only plan on the table that will ensure we keep our AAA rating and the only plan that will ever allow us to pay down our debt instead of perpetually increasing it.”

Jim DeMint

Geeez! Give me a break!

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

for running up the debt and lowering our credit rating.

http://campaign2012.washingtonexamin...mint-was-right

Originally Posted by jebartle

Geeez! Give me a break!

If you want a break, do not vote for democrats in the next election.

I'm sure we'll be treated to a long rambling diatribe complete with all sorts of numbers, gleaned from somewhere, to convince us that the credit rating drop had nothing to do with the President, and instead with anyone but.

does anyone besides me think that we have been set up by the potus and geithner so that the new '12 apostles of congressional action committee' will be coherced into raising revenue thru taxation and any other means that the prez wants?

It's raining so hard here right now.....that damn Obama...it's his fault.

Originally Posted by DaleMN

It's raining so hard here right now.....that damn Obama...it's his fault.

Yea, but I'm sure he will blame Bush.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I'm sure we'll be treated to a long rambling diatribe complete with all sorts of numbers, gleaned from somewhere, to convince us that the credit rating drop had nothing to do with the President, and instead with anyone but.

Nope, just a single chart.

http://www.artonissues.com/wp-conten...Debt-Graph.jpg

I guess we can conclude from the chart that the presidents that did the most responsible job in fiscal policy were Truman, Ike, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Ford and even Jimmy Carter. They had spending under control and if they couldn't get the economy really cranking, they cut back spending to what we could afford. Then Bush 41 and Reagan cranked up the spending and our debt, even in the face of economic growth that wasn't all that great. That was until Bill Clinton got hold of the pursestrings, really got our economy cranking again, slowed down the spending and paid off most of our debt. Now the Bush 43 and Obama administrations look like those two guys have elevated our spending and debt at an unprecedented pace and to unaffordable levels. And neither one of them did beans to get the U.S. economy to a level that was as good as when Bill Clinton left office.

Yep, it's the presidents that are doing all this. But some of those who are often remembered as the "good guys" and "bad guys" in some cases are reversed. Kind of surprising, don't you think?

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Nope, just a single chart.

http://www.artonissues.com/wp-conten...Debt-Graph.jpg

I guess we can conclude from the chart that the presidents that did the most responsible job in fiscal policy were Truman, Ike, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Ford and even Jimmy Carter. Then Bush 41 and Reagan cranked up the spending and our debt again until Bill Clinton got hold of the pursetrings, slowed down the spending and paid off most of our debt. Now the Bush 43 and Obama administrations look like those two guys are elevating our spending and debt at an unprecedented pace and to unaffordable levels.

Yep, it's the presidents that are doing all this. But some of those who are often remembered as the "good guys" and "bad guys" in some cases are reversed. Kind of surprising, don't you think?

You made me laugh out loud with the Clinton analogy. I guess Newt Gingrich and the Contract with America had nothing to do with it? ROTFLMAO

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

You made me laugh out loud with the Clinton analogy. I guess Newt Gingrich and the Contract with America had nothing to do with it? ROTFLMAO

Remember what the theme of this thread is--Obama is the guy who ran up the debt and caused the recent downgrade. The president did it.

So if you're going to blame one president for things that are happening, even for things that happened before he got into elected office, it's doesn't seem right to flip back and forth and credit prior Congresses for being responsible for good times and then blame individual presidents for bad times, is it?

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Remember what the theme of this thread is--Obama is the guy who ran up the debt and caused the recent downgrade. The president did it.

So if you're going to blame one president for things that are happening, even for things that happened before he got into elected office, it's doesn't seem right to flip back and forth and credit prior Congresses for being responsible for good times and then blame individual presidents for bad times, is it?

Well, yes it is appropriate. Obama had both houses of Congress. That is why they passed Obamacare without even reading it. What do you think would have happened if the House wasn't taken over by fiscal conservatives last year?

Is there NOT a grey area in this forum.....Isn't it possible that some democrats MIGHT be right some of the time....Is it ALWAYS the conservatives that have ALL the answers....My last little prayer every night is that some of the posters on this forum and congress would meet in the middle.....Why is this forum soooooo personal!....Remember, everyone of us has just ONE vote soooooo NO bullying PLEASE!....I love a good debate and some of the posters are very balanced and I look forward to reading their posts....I agree Obama hasn't fulfilled many of his promises BUT he is NOT responsible for all the shortcomings in the world, contrary to many believers on this thread.....Try, just try, to be more open-minded and give constructive criticism....

Originally Posted by jebartle

Is there NOT a grey area in this forum.....Isn't it possible that some democrats MIGHT be right some of the time....Is it ALWAYS the conservatives that have ALL the answers....My last little prayer every night is that some of the posters on this forum and congress would meet in the middle.....Why is this forum soooooo personal!....Remember, everyone of us has just ONE vote soooooo NO bullying PLEASE!....I love a good debate and some of the posters are very balanced and I look forward to reading their posts....I agree Obama hasn't fulfilled many of his promises BUT he is NOT responsible for all the shortcomings in the world, contrary to many believers on this thread.....Try, just try, to be more open-minded and give constructive criticism....

Please try reading again, will you. It was not just Obama that gave us Obamacare. Reid and Pelosi carried his water.

And don't forget what she said, Hurry and pass this bill so we can read it!!!~!~