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Old 02-07-2012, 02:17 PM
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I'm hopeful that this link to the Wall Street Journal Opinion page doesn't require a subscription, but it might. Try this...
Stephens: (How) Should Israel Bomb Iran? - WSJ.com
The essay is entitled "(How) Should Israel Bomb Iran?" with the subtitle "Diplomacy has run its course, sanctions are too late, and Israel can't cry wolf again."

The article describes the situation wherein virtually everyone who is close to the situation believes that Israel will bomb Iran sometime in the next couple of months. The author explains why Israel fundamentally has no choice--it's very existence is at risk. He also explains why there is little the U.S. can do to stop any such action by Israel.

The result of such an Israeli attack on Iran will almost certainly set off a massive land war in the Middle East and draw the U.S. into the conflagration because of our support for Israel. Extensive acts of terrorism would be expected on our soil.

Like I said, this is an article I hope you can read. If not, it's a situation we all should be very aware of and following, as it develops. And it's happening before our eyes very, very quickly.
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:49 PM
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I'm hopeful that this link to the Wall Street Journal Opinion page doesn't require a subscription, but it might. Try this...
Stephens: (How) Should Israel Bomb Iran? - WSJ.com
The essay is entitled "(How) Should Israel Bomb Iran?" with the subtitle "Diplomacy has run its course, sanctions are too late, and Israel can't cry wolf again."

The article describes the situation wherein virtually everyone who is close to the situation believes that Israel will bomb Iran sometime in the next couple of months. The author explains why Israel fundamentally has no choice--it's very existence is at risk. He also explains why there is little the U.S. can do to stop any such action by Israel.

The result of such an Israeli attack on Iran will almost certainly set off a massive land war in the Middle East and draw the U.S. into the conflagration because of our support for Israel. Extensive acts of terrorism would be expected on our soil.

Like I said, this is an article I hope you can read. If not, it's a situation we all should be very aware of and following, as it develops. And it's happening before our eyes very, very quickly.
Did you read my thread where Iran is calling for the extermination of all Jews and the annihilation of the Israeli State?

You really want to point at Israel as the trigger for Middle East unrest?

Incredible.
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Old 02-07-2012, 03:05 PM
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Did you read my thread where Iran is calling for the extermination of all Jews and the annihilation of the Israeli State?

You really want to point at Israel as the trigger for Middle East unrest?

Incredible.
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Old 02-07-2012, 03:41 PM
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I tried the link VK supplied above, but it needed subscription. So I googled the headline and found this link to the whole article:

Stephens: (How) Should Israel Bomb Iran? - WSJ.com

Read the reader comments at the end for many other perspectives. I tend to agree with one person who replied to another who said "we should cut all ties with Israel if they attack Iran". The reply was, "Do you honestly believe that Israel is the ultimate target? No, the US is, and in the event of a Middle East conflict, the Americans will need Israel more than ever."
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Old 02-07-2012, 05:24 PM
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Did you read my thread where Iran is calling for the extermination of all Jews and the annihilation of the Israeli State?

You really want to point at Israel as the trigger for Middle East unrest?

Incredible.
Richie, you seem always to be looking for an argument. I re-read my post and I'm baffled where you reached the conclusion that I "pointed" at Israel as the trigger for Middle East unrest. I didn't and even after re-reading the article, neither did the author. Did you read the article?

But so long as you raise the point, yes to a large degree I do assign a lot of the blame for unrest in the Middle East to the way Israel has conducted itself in the region. They take full advantage of the military capabilities that the U.S. provides them (and for which we will be blamed) to not only refuse to negotiate with the Palestinians, but to put a stick in their eye by continuing to build settlements on their land. The only land with water in their area, by the way.

If by attacking Iran they start a war in the region will it be their fault? That's hard to say. Clearly Iran won't negotiate with anyone either, exhibiting the immunity they have as the result of their close relationships with China and Russia. So they're at least half to blame. If Israel bombs their nuclear facilities, power grid and other key utilities, they certainly can be assigned the other half of the blame.

But the point of my post is that whether we believe it or not, the Islamic world will blame the United States for an Israeli attack on Iran and any regional war that results. I hope the Israeli military is ready to defend their small country without the U.S. If you put the Iranian and Syrian armies together, as well as the Palestinians and maybe the Egyptians, along with any other rag tag troops that want to see Israel eradicated (like the Palestinians), Israel may find that they've bitten off m ore than they can chew.

Then the question becomes, what does the U.S. do? Will we be the last man in the fight? You can be sure that China and Russia will be backing Iran and any other country over there that has oil to sell, surreptitiously of course. Does the U.S. have the will to jump into another war to back Israel? Can we afford it?
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Old 02-07-2012, 05:39 PM
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Richie, you seem always to be looking for an argument. I re-read my post and I'm baffled where you reached the conclusion that I "pointed" at Israel as the trigger for Middle East unrest. I didn't and even after re-reading the article, neither did the author. Did you read the article?

But so long as you raise the point, yes to a large degree I do assign a lot of the blame for unrest in the Middle East to the way Israel has conducted itself in the region. They take full advantage of the military capabilities that the U.S. provides them (and for which we will be blamed) to not only refuse to negotiate with the Palestinians, but to put a stick in their eye by continuing to build settlements on their land. The only land with water in their area, by the way.

If by attacking Iran they start a war in the region will it be their fault? That's hard to say. Clearly Iran won't negotiate with anyone either, exhibiting the immunity they have as the result of their close relationships with China and Russia. So they're at least half to blame. If Israel bombs their nuclear facilities, power grid and other key utilities, they certainly can be assigned the other half of the blame.

But the point of my post is that whether we believe it or not, the Islamic world will blame the United States for an Israeli attack on Iran and any regional war that results. I hope the Israeli military is ready to defend their small country without the U.S. If you put the Iranian and Syrian armies together, as well as the Palestinians and maybe the Egyptians, along with any other rag tag troops that want to see Israel eradicated (like the Palestinians), Israel may find that they've bitten off m ore than they can chew.

Then the question becomes, what does the U.S. do? Will we be the last man in the fight? You can be sure that China and Russia will be backing Iran and any other country over there that has oil to sell, surreptitiously of course. Does the U.S. have the will to jump into another war to back Israel? Can we afford it?
Just the posting of the article and your words to it informed me to your motives and that's all I needed to know. I am one who is in total solidarity with the nation of Israel.

Anybody who point to the Jews as the cause of unrest in the world is an adversary of mine. I am one of those who "will never forget".

Palestinian land?; Palestinian land is Lebanon. Lebanon doesn't even want the Palestinians and you want to give them Israel? Let the Arabs take care of their own. No one gave a damn about so called Palestinians until there was a reborn nation of Israel.

The U.S. must stand with Israel come hell or high water. Anything else is treachery.
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Old 02-07-2012, 06:59 PM
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Richie, you seem always to be looking for an argument. ........

But the point of my post is that whether we believe it or not, the Islamic world will blame the United States for an Israeli attack on Iran and any regional war that results. I hope the Israeli military is ready to defend their small country without the U.S. If you put the Iranian and Syrian armies together, as well as the Palestinians and maybe the Egyptians, along with any other rag tag troops that want to see Israel eradicated (like the Palestinians), Israel may find that they've bitten off m ore than they can chew.

Then the question becomes, what does the U.S. do? Will we be the last man in the fight? You can be sure that China and Russia will be backing Iran and any other country over there that has oil to sell, surreptitiously of course. Does the U.S. have the will to jump into another war to back Israel? Can we afford it?
Why should Israel defend itself without the U.S. (assuming Israel attacks Iran)? It sounds like you expect Israel to just sit there and doing nothing until Iran nukes them first......never mind there'd be little left of them to defend with, at that point.
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Old 02-07-2012, 10:08 PM
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...It sounds like you expect Israel to just sit there and doing nothing until Iran nukes them first......never mind there'd be little left of them to defend with, at that point.
First, that's not what I said.

Second, I'll bet you didn't bother to read the article, which says that Israel has little choice other than to attack Iran. What I said is that the U.S. is going to be drawn into whatever regional war results, either directly or indirectly as the result of terrorism on our soil.
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Old 02-08-2012, 06:53 AM
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VK, you are right, the US will be drawn in, and quickly. What worries me most is that the current administration will insure that it happens before the upcoming election. With terrorist incidents occuring in any major city in the US, martial law will be declared and the election postponed. As all the politicans say, "Never let a crisis go to waste" and here is a ready made one for them to use anytime they get ready.
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Old 02-08-2012, 09:14 AM
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VK, you are right, the US will be drawn in, and quickly. What worries me most is that the current administration will insure that it happens before the upcoming election. With terrorist incidents occuring in any major city in the US, martial law will be declared and the election postponed. As all the politicans say, "Never let a crisis go to waste" and here is a ready made one for them to use anytime they get ready.
 


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