Someone please tell me I misunderstood the news last night on this issue. If I heard correctly, Republican politicians in the State of Virginia are trying to pass a law that would make birth control pills illegal. Have they lost their mind? OMG

I keep hearing from my side (Conservatives) that government is too big and invasive into our lives.

WELL:::::::::::::: When government makes decisions about your reproductive life don't you feel that is more invasive than supporting a healthy lunch for children.

I think we all need to do some meditation and stop believing in someone else's interpretation of GOD's will. All we hear anymore is how you will be punished for this or that. Lets go back to the all loving GOD and focus on the positive for a moment. Like a lady on this site that I respect, she approaches Faith in a positive way and I listen closely to what she says. Then there is the six pac mentality that uses the gloom and doom method of your going to burn without any hope for forgiveness.

Example: (1) I go off the deep end and make a dumb statement.

(2) Katz will correct me and even suggest a better path with kindness.

(3) My 6 pac friend will call me a few slanderous names including liar.

In my opinion, there are two idiots out of three above. Can you pick the one smart person?

Is a wrong OK if it is done by our party.

Is a good thing not OK if it is done by the other party.

In case it is difficult to guess, number (2) is the smart one.

NARAL Pro-Choice Virginia Blog

TVII, I would love to be able to say that I am speechless! But LOL, ya gotta know that ain't gonna happen, especially on this subject! I can't even take this advice from Honest Abe-"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Abraham Lincoln 16th president of US (1809 - 1865). Maybe not so smart after all. I also think that you and I both know a loving God who has already taken our punishment upon Himself (YEAH!)...since He and we all know that none of us is perfect.

This from Posh 08's link-'It’s time to show lawmakers that Virginians can see through this insidious attempt to undermine reproductive rights in Virginia and that we reject its goals of outlawing all abortion and attacking women’s access to common forms of birth control like the pill, emergency contraception and IUDs."


Virginia General Assembly: The "Personhood" Bill Passed in the House, Unborn Child A Person At Conception [AUDIO] | KissRichmond

Virginia delegates pass two of the most restrictive anti-abortion bills ever presented to a state legislature - NY Daily News

It appears that the Virginina House of Delegates has chosen to pass a law giving rights to the "unborn", basically they are declaring that life begins at conception! This does not mean that they have banned contraception. Contra is latin for against or opposite + Conceptio is latin for conceive= contraception. Therefore a contraception is something that is against conception, prevents conception, etc...This law is giving rights to the results of conception. Apparently, rights to those whose conception was not prevented. It does not outlaw methods to prevent conception.
I need to point out though, that IUD's are not a true form of contraception. The presence of a foreign body (an IUD-intrauterine device) in the uterus prevents the fertilized egg (conception has already taken place) from properly implanting into the uterine wall where it can gain nourishment and continue to grow and develop. This result in a very early miscarriage and the woman will never know she had even conceived.

Interesting, little publicized "side effects" of abortion...


As of 2006, eight medical organizations recognize that abortion raises a woman's risk for breast cancer...
The Coalition on Abortion / Breast Cancer

...abortion raises breast cancer risk by 40 percent...Top scientist finally admits abortion-breast cancer link


"There is an ominous relationship between the
abortion of your first pregnancy
and later development of breast cancer."...
Abortion Breast Cancer Link - Life Issues Institute

Well, here's a list of those disputing that:

From Wikipedia:

The abortion–breast cancer hypothesis has been the subject of extensive scientific inquiry, and the scientific community has concluded that abortion does not cause breast cancer. This consensus is supported by major medical bodies, including the World Health Organization, the U.S. National Cancer Institute, the American Cancer Society, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, and the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists.

In fact, according to the American Cancer Society:

"The issue of abortion generates passionate viewpoints in many people. Breast cancer is the most common cancer, and is the second leading cancer killer in women (lung cancer is the first). Still, the public is not well-served by false alarms. At this time, the scientific evidence does not support the notion that abortion of any kind raises the risk of breast cancer."

Now let's look at the list of those supporting the link:

National Physicians Center for Family Resources
Catholic Medical Association
American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists
Breast Cancer Prevention Institute
The Polycarp Research Institute
Ehtics and Medics
MaterCare International

7 groups, two of which you don't even have to go past the name to know they'll be biased. (CMA and AAPLOG)

It really doesn't surprise me that conservatives will seize upon only those groups who support their political views and ignore the vast majority of research. Not that they're alone in that, I've seen liberals do the same thing.

Off the top of my head, I'd listen to the American Cancer Society before *any* of those listed in the second group.

Originally Posted by The Villager II

Someone please tell me I misunderstood the news last night on this issue. If I heard correctly, Republican politicians in the State of Virginia are trying to pass a law that would make birth control pills illegal. Have they lost their mind? OMG.

What kind of paranoid hysterical thread is this? A U.S. State banning birth control?

I know this didn't happen. It's lunacy. There isn't one news story anywhere to support what "you think" you heard.

smells a lot like chum on the waters to me!

btk

I had to check it out.

It would appear that there's a bill working it's way through the VA legislature that defines 'personhood' - that a fetus is a person. The effect of this is supposedly that it would ban many forms of birth control. Here are some quotes I found:

From Main Street Liberal (trying to keep the opinion out of it):

In Virginia, the Republicans backing the personhood measure in that state had a chance to take the birth control argument off the table entirely. A Democratic Delegate Vivian Watts tried to attach an amendment to the Virginia bill that would declare nothing in that bill could be construed to outlaw any form of legal contraception. Republicans in the Virginia House of Delegates voted no on that by a huge margin. The vote was 64 to 34 against taking birth control out of the equation.

So, in Virginia, Republicans had a wide open opportunity to say this personhood thing, this bill is only about banning abortion, we do not want to ban birth control.

From Channel 4 in Washington DC:
Afternoon Read: Virginia GOP Stirring Controversy Nationwide | NBC4 Washington

The GOP government has lobbied for bills that define personhood at conception, allow private adoption agencies to discriminate against gay couples and require women to get vaginal ultrasounds prior to abortions.

So it looks like hormonal birth control (evidently what most women use) would be banned because the law would protect zygotes, fertilized eggs, blastocytes, etc (whatever development term you want to use) and, when given an opportunity to say the bill WOULDN'T ban birth control, the Republicans refused.

I would imagine this would also ban IUDs.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

What kind of paranoid hysterical thread is this? A U.S. State banning birth control?

I know this didn't happen. It's lunacy. There isn't one news story anywhere to support what "you think" you heard.

It's true Richie. Check your links.

Originally Posted by djplong

Well, here's a list of those disputing that:

From Wikipedia:


In fact, according to the American Cancer Society:



Now let's look at the list of those supporting the link:

National Physicians Center for Family Resources
Catholic Medical Association
American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists
Breast Cancer Prevention Institute
The Polycarp Research Institute
Ehtics and Medics
MaterCare International

7 groups, two of which you don't even have to go past the name to know they'll be biased. (CMA and AAPLOG)

It really doesn't surprise me that conservatives will seize upon only those groups who support their political views and ignore the vast majority of research. Not that they're alone in that, I've seen liberals do the same thing.

Off the top of my head, I'd listen to the American Cancer Society before *any* of those listed in the second group.

You never cease to amaze me with your knowledge and wisdom. What would this forum do without you to discern who to listen to and who's name to go right past.

I do not want any more government interference in the private loves of Americans.

Originally Posted by waynet

I do not want any more government interference in the private loves of Americans.

I heartily agree with you on this. However, I must wonder how you square this with you post on school lunches?

"Obesity and diabetes are at almost epidemic stages. They are hurting our country in many ways and costing you and me billions of dollars and having a crippling effect on our economy. We are a nation of fat pigs. We eat toomuch,we consume to much. Parenting in this country is a joke. Do whatever it takes to break the cycle. Check lunches,charge for healthcare by the pound,embarrass parents. I have no pity or feelings of sorrow."

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

You never cease to amaze me with your knowledge and wisdom. What would this forum do without you to discern who to listen to and who's name to go right past.

I agree Katz...I've begun to use my scroll wheel much faster now!

This is still ridiculous no matter how one reads the links provided. If they're discussing "personhood", the prevention of that "person" being conceived is not what they're talking about.

Are you telling me they're going to outlaw condoms?

Get real.

If you're talking about terminating a pregnancy as "birth control", then you've crossed a line that's not the subject at hand.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

This is still ridiculous no matter how one reads the links provided. If they're discussing "personhood", the prevention of that "person" being conceived is not what they're talking about.

Are you telling me they're going to outlaw condoms?

Get real.

If you're talking about terminating a pregnancy as "birth control", then you've crossed a line that's not the subject at hand.

It's not the subject at hand, but it has been presented by the All-knowing liberal reporting/media to be the subject at hand. Hard to find the right pew, when one is in the wrong church!