Originally Posted by djplong

But you didn't answer the question - what if it was a voucher? I know how much my employer pays for 'their' share of my health insurance premiums, just as I know how much 'I' pay.

But in reality, it's all coming out of one big bucket of employee compensation.

I'm curious.. If the Church handed the employee a voucher that the employee would hand to the insurer of choice - would that be the same violation of Church policies or morals or ethics, etc? There *is* a slight difference between the Church writing a check to the insurance company and the Church stamping a voucher - I grant you that.

But it DOES point out that things are more fuzzy and grey. The Church is expending money for the services of an employee. Is wanting to control what an insurance company does with it so different from hypothetically wanting to control what an employee does with it afterwards?

You want me to answer a "what if"......."WHAT IF"???.....seriously??

Originally Posted by RichieLion

You want me to answer a "what if"......."WHAT IF"???.....seriously??

I think he was just trying to give you an alternate way of looking at an issue in an atempt to help you understand.

Originally Posted by The Villager II

I think he was just trying to give you an alternate way of looking at an issue in an atempt to help you understand.

I understand perfectly. You're the one in an intellectual fog here.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I understand perfectly. You're the one in an intellectual fog here.

Maybe, but when Long speaks it makes sense and when I read your posts I am often left with a scrunched look on my face.

Originally Posted by The Villager II

Maybe, but when Long speaks it makes sense and when I read your posts I am often left with a scrunched look on my face.

I think that's gas.

Originally Posted by richielion

i think that's gas.

lol

Richie - Well, I've been asked some "What if" questions and tried to answer them to my best ability - even when one of those was "You know, I really don't know WHAT I'd do.." ...and no, you weren't the one asking (I think it was chacha but I'm not sure).

I just got reminded of that because of the conservative push for vouchers as part of Medicare reform. The couvher was to give the INDIVIDUAL the choice - but, and I don't mean to sound to snarky here - that choice isn't good when the individual chooses something you don't like?

Tell me that the following wouldn't happen.. A voucher system goes in place for health insurance - some of those plans include covering abortions. Tell me that someone isn't going to screm bloody murder about their tax dolalrs going (directly or indirectly) to fund abortions or to cover the tax deduction on those insurance vouchers.

Originally Posted by djplong

Richie - Well, I've been asked some "What if" questions and tried to answer them to my best ability - even when one of those was "You know, I really don't know WHAT I'd do.." ...and no, you weren't the one asking (I think it was chacha but I'm not sure).

I just got reminded of that because of the conservative push for vouchers as part of Medicare reform. The couvher was to give the INDIVIDUAL the choice - but, and I don't mean to sound to snarky here - that choice isn't good when the individual chooses something you don't like?

Tell me that the following wouldn't happen.. A voucher system goes in place for health insurance - some of those plans include covering abortions. Tell me that someone isn't going to screm bloody murder about their tax dolalrs going (directly or indirectly) to fund abortions or to cover the tax deduction on those insurance vouchers.

When a voucher system of health care comes along we'll deal with it. I'm sure the anti-religeous factions of the liberal establishment will try to mine-field such a proposal in an attempt to circumvent the First Amendment rights of the Catholic Church, which they despise above all other religions. That too will be defeated. Our Constitution is a wonderful and simple piece of legislation to the constant annoyance of the liberal establishment.

Richie: It's all in who's ox is being gored. Would you be as fervent in defending what you would call the First Ammendment rights of Islamic churches?

Originally Posted by djplong

Richie: It's all in who's ox is being gored. Would you be as fervent in defending what you would call the First Ammendment rights of Islamic churches?

If it's a First Amendment Rights issue, of course; remembering that yelling "fire" in a theater, or committing "assault", in a legal sense, are not protected.

Protecting our First Amendment Rights is everybody's "ox"

Originally Posted by djplong

Richie: It's all in who's ox is being gored. Would you be as fervent in defending what you would call the First Ammendment rights of Islamic churches?

I am a Catholic, but would I be as "fervent" in support of Islamists in a similar situation?........no.........but I would be in support.

If it's a First Amendment Rights issue, of course; remembering that yelling "fire" in a theater, or committing "assault", in a legal sense, are not protected.

Protecting our First Amendment Rights is everybody's "ox"

According to Kathy Hochul, it's not about the Constitution either.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IARyq7WdZ2U]"We're Not Looking to the Constitution" when it Comes to ObamaCare Mandates - YouTube[/ame]

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

According to Kathy Hochul, it's not about the Constitution either.

"We're Not Looking to the Constitution" when it Comes to ObamaCare Mandates - YouTube

What a joke this liberal Congresswoman from NY is. Her buffoonish twisting in the wind trying to weave her agenda around Constitutional freedom is laughable.

Interesting article.

Women's Strike Force: Pro-Choice PAC Starts Up In Virginia To Defeat Backers Of Ultrasound Legislation

The dreaded Ultrasound... (done at 16 weeks)

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