Big Government Republicans in Virginia Vote to Outlaw Contraceptives, Require Vaginal Probes for Abortion-Seekers Pensito Review

When are men going to leave womens rights to women.

VillagerII, old buddy, you do have to keep up with the news a little better. A "watered down" version was passed. Read the attached link. Personally, I still feel it is ridiculous for a state government to mandate any kind of ultrasound for what should be a woman's personal choice. It is the reactionary right that is doing this and it is not welcomed by thinking Americans. All this will come back to bite the reactionary right in the butt in November when they lose AGAIN.

Va. House Scraps Invasive Pre-Abortion Requirement - ABC News

Originally Posted by buggyone

VillagerII, old buddy, you do have to keep up with the news a little better. A "watered down" version was passed. Read the attached link. Personally, I still feel it is ridiculous for a state government to mandate any kind of ultrasound for what should be a woman's personal choice. It is the reactionary right that is doing this and it is not welcomed by thinking Americans. All this will come back to bite the reactionary right in the butt in November when they lose AGAIN.

Va. House Scraps Invasive Pre-Abortion Requirement - ABC News

Thank you and I stand corrected. They did see the stupidity in their action.

Well, they are still stupid to require any kind of ultrasound for a woman's personal choice.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Well, they are still stupid to require any kind of ultrasound for a woman's personal choice.

It just shows an arrogance beyond even what the holler than thow nut cases would do. These kind of people make themselves authority over GOD and good sense.

Originally Posted by The Villager II

Thank you and I stand corrected. They did see the stupidity in their action.

I beg to differ. They did not see the stupidity of their action until they were ridiculed by John Stewart (The Daily Show) and Saturday Night Live. Only then did they recognize their own stupidity.

MrMark +1 on that statement. As Forest Gump once said, "Stupid is as stupid does," or words to that effect.

it is interesting to see men giving opinions on matters which concern not only women but their unborn children...having known several women who are still undergoing mental health treatment for the results of having had abortions, it is a kindness to a confused and frightened woman to have all the education on the matter of abortion that she needs...many women, when given the opportunity to see the child they are carrying, will know instinctively that they cannot go through with the abortion...it is still their choice, but they have been given all the information! in addition, the medications to which you keep referring as contraceptives, are not contraceptives...they only work after the child has already been conceived! so get your facts straight.

Originally Posted by chachacha

it is interesting to see men giving opinions on matters which concern not only women but their unborn children...having known several women who are still undergoing mental health treatment for the results of having had abortions, it is a kindness to a confused and frightened woman to have all the education on the matter of abortion that she needs...many women, when given the opportunity to see the child they are carrying, will know instinctively that they cannot go through with the abortion...it is still their choice, but they have been given all the information! in addition, the medications to which you keep referring as contraceptives, are not contraceptives...they only work after the child has already been conceived! so get your facts straight.

Chachacha, I have often wondered the same thing. There are alot of men on here who will defend a woman's right to an abortion, as if their own life depended on it. Kinda wonder sometimes if there aren't men out there who have emotional problems due to a personal experience with abortion. Who knows.
Anyway, I have also posted the same sentiment, about the instinctive knowledge that a woman has concerning abortion. A woman doctor responded something to the effect of who did I think I was to speak for all women...
ALSO, most abortion facilities DO PERFORM an Ultrasound anyway, to determine the stage of pregnancy. Many states have a requirement to get abortions done prior to a certain stage of pregnancy. Since abortion is such a nice industry that always follows the rules...Abdominal ultrasound &/or Transvaginal (used when the abdominal one is not conclusive) ulrasounds help them to know that they aren't breaking any laws.

Originally Posted by chachacha

it is interesting to see men giving opinions on matters which concern not only women but their unborn children...having known several women who are still undergoing mental health treatment for the results of having had abortions, it is a kindness to a confused and frightened woman to have all the education on the matter of abortion that she needs...many women, when given the opportunity to see the child they are carrying, will know instinctively that they cannot go through with the abortion...it is still their choice, but they have been given all the information! in addition, the medications to which you keep referring as contraceptives, are not contraceptives...they only work after the child has already been conceived! so get your facts straight.

That sort of paragraph is about as clear as mud!

Chacha - *some* contraceptives work that way - not all of them.

And, just to provide some balance, you said that you have known seceral women are are still undergoing mental health treatment.. Interesting. For one, that's private information so I'll have to assume you know these women personally. This runs directly counter to my own experience. Not a single woman I've ever known who has had an abortion has required mental health treatment. In all honesty, sometimes I wonder if some of that are women who are being told they are a victim (and, to be fair, it's not just abortions - LOTS of people are constantly being told by 'advocates' they they are victims of some kind or another).

Chacha, I've been countering a lot of your "facts" lately. I don't intend this in any kind of mean-spirited way but, to be honest, I think you've been sold a bill of goods.

Originally Posted by djplong

Chacha - *some* contraceptives work that way - not all of them.

And, just to provide some balance, you said that you have known seceral women are are still undergoing mental health treatment.. Interesting. For one, that's private information so I'll have to assume you know these women personally. This runs directly counter to my own experience. Not a single woman I've ever known who has had an abortion has required mental health treatment. In all honesty, sometimes I wonder if some of that are women who are being told they are a victim (and, to be fair, it's not just abortions - LOTS of people are constantly being told by 'advocates' they they are victims of some kind or another).

Chacha, I've been countering a lot of your "facts" lately. I don't intend this in any kind of mean-spirited way but, to be honest, I think you've been sold a bill of goods.

WOW. You certainly know alot of women on a personal level...personally enough to know what their history of abortion is and also their history of needing mental treatment or not. Or could it be that they aren't sharing the later with anyone??? Maybe you are being lied to?!

Originally Posted by MrMark

That sort of paragraph is about as clear as mud!

I understood Chachacha's points very well. Do you think you might have asked her to clarify what she was saying if you were unsure, instead of your inexplicable rudeness?

Now thats rude.

To be honest, I don't believe I was being rude. I did not doubt her experiences. I *did* jump to a conclusion based on the information she gave - that she most likely knew these people personally. The only bit I really disputed was her implication that all birth control works post-conception.

To the best of my knowledge, I know or have known about a half-dozen women who have had an abortion. I suspect that I know a lot more who have kept that information private. Not a single one of them has ever required or sought therapy due to their abortion. The closest you could possibly come is the one that I know who DESPERATELY needs therapy - but her condition existed long before her abortion and is most likely due to a combination of genetic and environmental factors. I'm not bad-mouthing her at all - she really does need help but thinks all therapy is "quackery".

Old friends, my ex-wife and others. All of them have had abortions - only one each, just in case you were wondering. The response I usually get from them when the whole "post abortion symdrome" issue comes up is anything from laughter (i.e. how arrogant to assume that because SOME may have trouble with abortion, ALL *must*) to irritation and/or anger (i.e. Don't tell me how I feel - I'll tell YOU thankyouverymuch).