Did any of you see the exceptional and stirring speech President Barack Hussein Obama gave before the auto workers?

No, he didn't talk about "snobs"; he didn't talk about the height of trees, he didn't talk about a former great President's speech causing him to want to throw up, he didn't talk about his wife driving a couple of cadillacs, he didn't talk about banning contraceptives. He didn't talk about any of these things that are seemingly so important to the Repub candiates.

He talked about the resolve and grit and fight in the American worker. He talked about jobs. He talked about saving a significan segment of our economy. He talked about supporting fellow Americans.

Now really....you wonder why we support this President and are working hard to have him lead us for another 4 years?

my issue is not with what he "talks about"...that is his expertise...talking about different subjects.

For me what is consistently missing is delivering on what he talks about/promises/commits.

btk

I saw the speech and I applaud the President. Once President Obama gets into campaign mode, whichever republican candidate gets the nomination won't know what hit him. This is the reason no republican heavyweight: Jeb Bush, Mitch Daniels, Paul Ryan, or Chris Christie (pun intended) will get in the race in 2012 because they know it will be a career ender when they lose.

Two things.
It has been Obamas MO to think if he talks about it, it is handled, done, finished, solved.
How many presidents have made that kind of speech. Many

Talk, Talk, Talk

Second, It is also easy to give a speech to a bought and paid for audience full of bought and paid for union workers and their bought and paid for bosses.

So I still wonder why you support this president for another 4 years.

I have not seen the speech, I will so I can try to understand what you see in this man.

Originally Posted by notlongnow

Two things.
It has been Obamas MO to think if he talks about it, it is handled, done, finished, solved.
How many presidents have made that kind of speech. Many

Talk, Talk, Talk

Second, It is also easy to give a speech to a bought and paid for audience full of bought and paid for union workers and their bought and paid for bosses.

So I still wonder why you support this president for another 4 years.

I have not seen the speech, I will so I can try to understand what you see in this man.

Bravo for your open minded attitude.

Originally Posted by DaleMN

Did any of you see the exceptional and stirring speech President Barack Hussein Obama gave before the auto workers?

No, he didn't talk about "snobs"; he didn't talk about the height of trees, he didn't talk about a former great President's speech causing him to want to throw up, he didn't talk about his wife driving a couple of cadillacs, he didn't talk about banning contraceptives. He didn't talk about any of these things that are seemingly so important to the Repub candiates.

He talked about the resolve and grit and fight in the American worker. He talked about jobs. He talked about saving a significan segment of our economy. He talked about supporting fellow Americans.

Now really....you wonder why we support this President and are working hard to have him lead us for another 4 years?

Just wondering how well NAFTA is working out for you?

Ah, he is a good campaigner. No one ever took that away from him. As a President he's been a disaster and an embarrassment. Actions speak louder than words, and the U.S. is so much the poorer because of him. Our once free country is incrementally being put under the thumb of the State, because of him.

in 2008 Obama had the charm of talking his way into the WH with many promises, still unfilled.

What Obama has going against him, good speaker or not, is his 2008 promises not kept.

He is not all that good a debater. He is a practiced/scripted reader.....and very few are not.

All the appearances are canned performances.

While you are entitled to your opinion, to think the "heavy hitters" are staying away from 2012 is kinda incorrect....sounds good....good to believe if he is your man...but just not real. And that is my opinion on it!!

btk

Originally Posted by billethkid

in 2008 Obama had the charm of talking his way into the WH with many promises, still unfilled.

What Obama has going against him, good speaker or not, is his 2008 promises not kept.

He is not all that good a debater. He is a practiced/scripted reader.....and very few are not.

All the appearances are canned performances.

While you are entitled to your opinion, to think the "heavy hitters" are staying away from 2012 is kinda incorrect....sounds good....good to believe if he is your man...but just not real. And that is my opinion on it!!

btk

I'm a little confused by your last paragraph. Are you saying the "heavy hitters" are going to get in the game in 2012, or are you saying the existing candidates are the "heavy hitters"?

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Ah, he is a good campaigner. No one ever took that away from him. As a President he's been a disaster and an embarrassment. Actions speak louder than words, and the U.S. is so much the poorer because of him. Our once free country is incrementally being put under the thumb of the State, because of him.

Not true.

He's a great snake oil salesman but an otherwise rotten president.

I only offered an opinion against what was posted i.e that the "heavy weights" as you call them would not get into the 2012 race because of Obama's speech making and debating skills.....no inference whatsoever that any of them would in fact get in.....not even close to my thought/opinion expressed.

btk

billethkid: Just for the heck of it, I thought I'd check the Obamameter over at Politifact. The scorecard on his promises:

Kept: 168
Compromise: 52
Broken: 63
Stalled: 67
In The Works: 156
Not Yet Rated: 2

Regardless of whether or not you agree with the scoring, that's an awful lot of promises!

Originally Posted by djplong

billethkid: Just for the heck of it, I thought I'd check the Obamameter over at Politifact. The scorecard on his promises:

Kept: 168
Compromise: 52
Broken: 63
Stalled: 67
In The Works: 156
Not Yet Rated: 2

Regardless of whether or not you agree with the scoring, that's an awful lot of promises!

It all depends on whether you accept what PolitiFact deems to be "kept"

Is "in the works" another term for "in the dumper"?

PolitiFact is not a political "bible".

Well, I never said it was a Bible. Any time that you produce a summary like that, there are going to be some cases where interpretation might cause some movement in the numbers.

But what I really like about them is their individual entries. They don't just give a rating (from "True" to "Pants on Fire"). They go into detail about how and why they gave it that rating. As is the case with many incidents, when there are parts that are true and parts that aren't, they'll give you both parts. They also go to the mat trying to get clarification - contacting a candidate's office in many cases to get comments.

At least, if I disagree with Politifact, I'm going to know why.