Yes, we need a valid way to verify voting eligibility.

But the Conservative approach seems more of a way to discourage minorities and the elderly from voting rather than verifying eligibility.

Perry blocks veterans from voting.

and Look at this article on Newt:
Newt Gingrich and the National ID card | RedState

So, what do the conservatives really want to accomplish???

Block segments of the population

OR

Verify eligibility of all voters.

Originally Posted by The Villager II

So, what do the conservatives really want to accomplish???

Block segments of the population

OR

Verify eligibility of all voters.

Yes, I would guess that they want to block certain segments of the population from voting. From what I've been able to glean from several sources, they ONLY want to stop people that don't look like them, don't think like them, aren't as well off as they are and those that have a "D" on their voter registration card. They also don't want to take a chance that older citizens may not vote as they would like. To many of the "Rs", women in general are not capable of making decisions of this importance and certainly not decisions regarding their own body. There doesn't appear to be a problem of significance with voter abuse. Pennsylvania in 13 years has come up with only 12 instances involving voter improprieties. Alabama and Mississippi has fewer than that. I just think that if they just keep about 25% of the voters away from the voting locations they just may have a chance. It's pretty obvious that the states with "Rs" in the Governor's offices are making an organized effort to steal an election.

Xavier

Not really up to speed with any of this...will make it my reading later today.

HOWEVER....as I understand it...

We need photo id to fly
We need photo id to drive
We need photo id to cash a check, etc/. etc

Why not a photo id to vote ???

Originally Posted by Bucco

Not really up to speed with any of this...will make it my reading later today.

HOWEVER....as I understand it...

We need photo id to fly
We need photo id to drive
We need photo id to cash a check, etc/. etc

Why not a photo id to vote ???

I agree. It is imperative that only qualified voters get in on the action.

It has been an issue for years, so if you have not gotten one by this time, then maybe, just maybe you are not worthy of the honor of voting for the officials that will make laws for us all.

I caution that it must be an easy process to get the ID, but get one you must or do not show up to vote.

Originally Posted by Bucco

Not really up to speed with any of this...will make it my reading later today.

HOWEVER....as I understand it...

We need photo id to fly
We need photo id to drive
We need photo id to cash a check, etc/. etc

Why not a photo id to vote ???

Flying, driving and cashing a check are not constitutional rights. Voting is.

Originally Posted by janmcn

Flying, driving and cashing a check are not constitutional rights. Voting is.

Just playing the devils advocate, would it be UN-constitutional to require verification of status prior to voting?

It concerns me to think of non qualified votes changing our laws.

You can't get through the checkout at Walmart without a photo ID, you can't buy booze without a photo ID, you can't buy tobacco without a photo ID, you can't buy a gun and on and on and on.......... You can't do these things without one but you can pick the leader of the free world because it is just too hard to get one, BS!!

This is not about the poor little minorities that can't get a photo ID. They have been offered it FREE! Brought to them, mailed to them.

This is just another chance for the left to paint the right as racist.

So if you get stopped by a cop do you not need a photo ID? I know that 19% of the hispanic population in my state of Texas does not WALK!

This comes up every election year and every year the dems scream discrimination!!!!!

Just like drilling for oil will take ten years to see any improvement so they kick the can down the road. How many "10 years" have gone by since they have used that argument?

And just like oil, don't stop and fix this problem, just kick the can down the road so the argument is there for the next election cycle.

According to the article in Monday's Daily Sun:

NAACP to challenge voting laws before UN

"Taking a page from its past, the NAACP will go before a United Nations panel in Switzerland this week to argue that new voting laws approved by some U.S. states violate civil and human right be suppressing the votes of minorities and others.

A delegation from the venerable civil rights organization will present its case in Geneva on Wednesday before the United Nations Human Rights Council, a body that normally addresses trouble in places such as Libya, Syria and the Ivory Coast.

"The NAACP can appeal to whatever body it chooses to - the U.N. doesn't run our elections," said Catherine Englebrecht, president of True the Vote, a tea party-founded anti-voter fraud group that's seeking to mobilize thousands of volunteers to work as poll watchers and to validate existing voter-registration lists. "It has been talked to death whether or not (requiring) ID disenfranchises anyone."

What is wrong with having someone validate existing lists and looking out for fraud....I think it's a great idea and you would think that all Americans would feel the same....unless they are, perhaps, hiding something?

Originally Posted by janmcn

Flying, driving and cashing a check are not constitutional rights. Voting is.

a somewhat dated article - but a good explanation of you constitutional right to vote according to a couple of supreme court decisions:

Beyond the Voting Rights Act:

"...In its 2000 ruling, Alexander v Mineta, the Court decided the 600,000 or so (mostly black) residents of Washington D.C. have no legal recourse for their complete lack of voting representation in Congress (they have one “representative” in the House who can speak, but cannot vote). The Court affirmed the district court's interpretation that our Constitution "does not protect the right of all citizens to vote, but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote.” And it's state legislatures that wield the power to decide who is “qualified.”

As a result, voting is not a right, but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and state governments..."

have there been any decisions to overturn those mentioned in the 2005 article?

Originally Posted by ceejay

According to the article in Monday's Daily Sun:

NAACP to challenge voting laws before UN

"Taking a page from its past, the NAACP will go before a United Nations panel in Switzerland this week to argue that new voting laws approved by some U.S. states violate civil and human right be suppressing the votes of minorities and others.

A delegation from the venerable civil rights organization will present its case in Geneva on Wednesday before the United Nations Human Rights Council, a body that normally addresses trouble in places such as Libya, Syria and the Ivory Coast.

"The NAACP can appeal to whatever body it chooses to - the U.N. doesn't run our elections," said Catherine Englebrecht, president of True the Vote, a tea party-founded anti-voter fraud group that's seeking to mobilize thousands of volunteers to work as poll watchers and to validate existing voter-registration lists. "It has been talked to death whether or not (requiring) ID disenfranchises anyone."

What is wrong with having someone validate existing lists and looking out for fraud....I think it's a great idea and you would think that all Americans would feel the same....unless they are, perhaps, hiding something?

Every word and every thought that an individual writes, says or thinks provides a crystal clear picture of their soul.

Xavier

"...In its 2000 ruling, Alexander v Mineta, the Court decided the 600,000 or so (mostly black) residents of Washington D.C. have no legal recourse for their complete lack of voting representation in Congress (they have one “representative” in the House who can speak, but cannot vote). The Court affirmed the district court's interpretation that our Constitution "does not protect the right of all citizens to vote, but rather the right of all qualified citizens to vote.” And it's state legislatures that wield the power to decide who is “qualified.”

A ruling does mean it is right, it just means it is law.

If voting is so darn important to these supposed DISENFRANCHISED people. why can't they spend just a few minutes to get an ID. This argument is so lame it isn't funny. This is about voters for the dems that don't have to be legal and lazyness on the "DISENFRANCHISED".

It's a fine line between validating the identity of a voter and "Your papers, please..."

Personally, I think we could alleviate everyone's fears by making an allowance for a free state ID card of some sort. NH, for example, has the non-driver's ID card - looks like a driver's license but is clearly labeled as only for ID purposes. It allowed my non-driving daughter to vote, buy a bottle of wine, get on an airplane, cash a check - everything you need ID for. (Ok, so sometimes she got more pleasure from showing her U.S. Passport, but I digress)

I can think of one other use of said ID card - helping track down criminals (a bit).. I wouldn't mind eventually being able to find out where the squatters in my wife's house end up as we pursue legal means to get the back rent from them (they'll probably disappear into the woodwork once the eviction is complete). At least it would be something the cops could look up.

Originally Posted by djplong

It's a fine line between validating the identity of a voter and "Your papers, please..."

Personally, I think we could alleviate everyone's fears by making an allowance for a free state ID card of some sort. NH, for example, has the non-driver's ID card - looks like a driver's license but is clearly labeled as only for ID purposes. It allowed my non-driving daughter to vote, buy a bottle of wine, get on an airplane, cash a check - everything you need ID for. (Ok, so sometimes she got more pleasure from showing her U.S. Passport, but I digress)

I can think of one other use of said ID card - helping track down criminals (a bit).. I wouldn't mind eventually being able to find out where the squatters in my wife's house end up as we pursue legal means to get the back rent from them (they'll probably disappear into the woodwork once the eviction is complete). At least it would be something the cops could look up.

I will not say ALL, but most states offer a photo id for anyone but you have to prove you are who you say you are. It is not difficult....

Originally Posted by janmcn

Flying, driving and cashing a check are not constitutional rights. Voting is.

A constitutional right reserved for who ? Yeah...american citizens !

Are you really concerned that millions of illegal citizens are going to vote in the national election? Balderdash!