Originally Posted by rubicon

Xavier: in all due respect how many of those confusing circumstances that you cite exist except on occassion for those legimate citizens.

That could be true, but I really don't think anyone has documented the frequency of these circumstances. There are, however, legitimate figures for the documented cases of voting improprieties and I would dare bet they are smaller than the ones that deal with complications in getting an ID. The numbers are, in my view, remarkably low. It really doesn't matter. If we could agree that we want to ensure that all citizens are provided the opportunity to exercise their right to vote and not disenfranchise legitimate voters then we should be able to give them a reasonable amount of time in which to secure an acceptable ID. We will have solved the problem. Do you remember when the rules from traveling outside of our country were changed and there was an instant backlog of applications for passports. In some areas it was as long as 6 months. That was with only the travelers making applications. The drop-dead date for the new law had to be broken down into smaller implementation sections and had to be extended to a date that was much further down the road.

Have you ever seen a job vacancy notification put out to the public and then you notice that the application deadline is three days out. You automatically know that the job is fashioned for a particular individual known to the person doing the hiring. If the goal is to keep a certain demographic from voting, you give them an unrealistic deadline. If this has been a problem for decades, why have a short deadline? My Dad taught me that if you are going to do a job, do it right.

Xavier

Originally Posted by buggyone

Xavier hit the nail on the head. The Republicans want to steal elections legally just like they did with Bush vs Gore.

There is no voter fraud going on that has any impact on any election. I am sure if any fraud goes on in the Democrat party that the same amount goes on in the Republican party.

This is just another typical example of trying to block minorities from voting by the Republicans.

Buggy - You repeating the lie that Bush stole the election from Gore does not make it true even though it has been said by millions of D's. The facts are clear. EVERY major newspaper in Florida investigated the situation in depth and EVERY one concluded that Bush had won the race. What was true is that Gore tried to have thousands of military absentee ballots thrown out.

Voter fraud takes a number of forms:

People voting in two states. A practice among people who have two residences, particularly common among college students in caucuses. Also engaged in by snowbirds who feel that have the right since they pay taxes in two different states.

Voting 'early and often', the long held mantra of the D political machines. Easy to do when no id is required.

Voting when ineligible to do so, underage, prior felony conviction, etc.

Absentee voting by residents of nursing homes - staff sends in for absentee ballots and fill them out with the residents having no idea that they 'voted'.

Anyone who looks objectively at what is happening can never buy into the idea that voter fraud is a 'minor' problem.

Originally Posted by BBQMan

Buggy - You repeating the lie that Bush stole the election from Gore does not make it true even though it has been said by millions of D's. The facts are clear. EVERY major newspaper in Florida investigated the situation in depth and EVERY one concluded that Bush had won the race. What was true is that Gore tried to have thousands of military absentee ballots thrown out.

Voter fraud takes a number of forms:

People voting in two states. A practice among people who have two residences, particularly common among college students in caucuses. Also engaged in by snowbirds who feel that have the right since they pay taxes in two different states.

Voting 'early and often', the long held mantra of the D political machines. Easy to do when no id is required.

Voting when ineligible to do so, underage, prior felony conviction, etc.

Absentee voting by residents of nursing homes - staff sends in for absentee ballots and fill them out with the residents having no idea that they 'voted'.

Anyone who looks objectively at what is happening can never buy into the idea that voter fraud is a 'minor' problem.

Obviously, these tactics you mention are only practiced by Democrats. Sounds to me it would be more of a Republican thing to do.

When I was an election judge in local, state, and Federal elections, we did not (could not) ask for ID. The voters had to state their address and date of birth as it appeared on the voter rolls. If not on the voter rolls, they did not get to vote.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Obviously, these tactics you mention are only practiced by Democrats. Sounds to me it would be more of a Republican thing to do.

When I was an election judge in local, state, and Federal elections, we did not (could not) ask for ID. The voters had to state their address and date of birth as it appeared on the voter rolls. If not on the voter rolls, they did not get to vote.

Good plan Buggy; the Democrats (Chicago comes to mind) have lots of the dead on voter rolls and people to just say "that's me". It's an easy way to fraud.

The I.D. is a great idea to eliminate fraud. The only reason to fight it is for nefarious purposes. "Can't cash a check, but I can vote"; yeah, great plan.

For all that 'advocates' say against a voter ID plan (*any* plan), they're sure to keep the 'consequences' vague. In other words the dialogue goes like this:

Pro: "Voter ID will cut down on voter fraud!"

Con: "It's discriminatory - it'll disenfranchise!"

Pro: "Well, everyone has to have ID to cash checks, etc. - but we can make sure an ID card is available to everyone."

Con: "But it's bad! It's a war against the poor!"

Pro: "How so?"

Con: "It's just bad!"

Show me a person who does not have a photo ID and I will show you a:

minor child

wanted criminal

illegal alien

And any number of things that I'm sure you could add to the list.

You have to have a photo ID to buy cigarettes, Sudafed cough medicine, to collect welfare, to get medical treatment, to cash your check, to rent a car, to get on an airplane.

There is absolutely no reason not to require a photo ID to prove that you are who you say you are when you go to vote.

I cannot see any reason what so ever to be against the photo ID. If it does inhibit someone from voting it will in all probability be because of all the reasons I stated above or perhaps something you can add to the list.

The present administration wants to get as many votes as they can and they do not care from whence they come, as long as they get them.

Just the opinion

Originally Posted by CMANN

Show me a person who does not have a photo ID and I will show you a:

minor child

wanted criminal

illegal alien

And any number of things that I'm sure you could add to the list.

You have to have a photo ID to buy cigarettes, Sudafed cough medicine, to collect welfare, to get medical treatment, to cash your check, to rent a car, to get on an airplane.

There is absolutely no reason not to require a photo ID to prove that you are who you say you are when you go to vote.

I cannot see any reason what so ever to be against the photo ID. If it does inhibit someone from voting it will in all probability be because of all the reasons I stated above or perhaps something you can add to the list.

The present administration wants to get as many votes as they can and they do not care from whence they come, as long as they get them.

Just the opinion

And a very sound opinion, at that.

just do it like the days of old....pass a law or make a rule and then enforce it. Those who do not comply please follow the signs to the exit.

And cut all the BS of why it favors one party or another or one class or another.

The permissive pacifism and bending over for minority and special interest groups is nothing more than politicians FAVORING a given voting block....nothing more.

Same lowering of the bar and looking the other way to get votes created illegal immigration...political pandering and subsequent lack of enforcement.

All the above = the watering down of America.

btk

Originally Posted by billethkid

just do it like the days of old....pass a law or make a rule and then enforce it. Those who do not comply please follow the signs to the exit.

And cut all the BS of why it favors one party or another or one class or another.

The permissive pacifism and bending over for minority and special interest groups is nothing more than politicians FAVORING a given voting block....nothing more.

Same lowering of the bar and looking the other way to get votes created illegal immigration...political pandering and subsequent lack of enforcement.

All the above = the watering down of America.

btk

Agree 100%.