I see many interpretations of both the BIBLE and the CONSTITUTION in this Forum.

I feel that the Conservatives that post on here the most follow the Old Testament and the Liberal follow closely to the New Testament of the King James Version. Now, don't explode, it just my observation.

I feel that the Liberals on here interpret the Constitution with all its modifications and still see room for more changes to modernize it. When I read posts by conservatives, it is as if they are in the room when the document was first formed and signed as the original document by the 200 YEAR AGO authors.

Not that either is wrong, but my question is:

SHOULD WE GO BACK TO THE OLD TESTAMENT AND THE ORIGINAL VERSION OF THE CONSTITUTION?

OR SHOULD CONTINUE TO MODIFY THEM TO FIT THE CHRISTIANS AND AMERICANS OF TODAY?

I think we need to do what is best for all American and stop picking and choosing what is best for our own selfish desires rather conservative or liberal.

The Old Testament was given by GOD to show our need for forgiveness and mercy. It is full of laws and rules which show us that we can never be perfect by our own efforts. It is also the prophesy that GOD will come and live in human flesh and pay the ransom for our lives, by bringing eternal forgiveness and mercy to all who are interested in getting out from under the penalty of not complying with the laws that can never be kept by humans. The New Testament is the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophesy. By accepting these truths, we can receive the eternal forgiveness and mercy and experience ETERNAL JOY and SECURITY! This New Testament freedom is not a license to sin. Instead it is such a miracle of freedom that those who experience it just cannot help themselves but to share it with others. When a "conservative christian" points out sin, it is in the same manner that a friend points out to another that a car is about to hit them, or save them from a house on fire, etc. There is ALWAYS FORGIVENESS, MERCY, JOY, SECURITY, AND ULTIMATE FREEDOM!...Anyone who thinks otherwise, is just not listening.

For example-Everyone on this forum knows that I speak out against abortion. The reason is that murder is wrong. For this murder to continue to be "legal", it takes people to stand back and do nothing! However, I have NEVER spoke condemnation to ANYONE who supports abortion or been party to it. As a Christian, I follow both the Old and the New Testaments...Why not? It is the complete book! I am a Christian, but that doesn't make me perfect, and it doesn't give me permission to sin nor does it prevent me from sinning.

200 years ago, men in a room signed a document that has served to make this country the most prosperous and benevolent country in the history of mankind. If that document has kept the place running that well, why not continue to use it as it was intended to be used?

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

The Old Testament was given by GOD to show our need for forgiveness and mercy. It is full of laws and rules which show us that we can never be perfect by our own efforts. It is also the prophesy that GOD will come and live in human flesh and pay the ransom for our lives, by bringing eternal forgiveness and mercy to all who are interested in getting out from under the laws that can never be kept by humans. The New Testament is the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophesy. By accepting these truths, we can receive the eternal forgiveness and mercy and experience ETERNAL JOY and SECURITY! This New Testament freedom is not a license to sin. Instead it is such a miracle of freedom that those who experience it just cannot help themselves but to share it with others. When a "conservative christian" points out sin, it is in the same manner that a friend points out to another that a car is about to hit them, or save them from a house on fire, etc. There is ALWAYS FORGIVENESS, MERCY, JOY, SECURITY, AND ULTIMATE FREEDOM!...Anyone who thinks otherwise, is just not listening.

For example-Everyone on this forum knows that I speak out against abortion. The reason is that murder is wrong. For this murder to continue to be "legal", it takes people to stand back and do nothing! However, I have NEVER spoke condemnation to ANYONE who supports abortion or been party to it. As a Christian, I follow both the Old and the New Testaments...Why not? It is the complete book!

What you say here is neither conservative nor liberal, just Christian. You support my point that the Old Testament was modified by the New Testament to better fit the times and the followers.

Now, I pray there is at least one Constitutionalist that will admit that we have modified the constitution for the good of all Americans and accept the fact that there will be more modifications. Again, my point on this forum is that several want to pick and choose what should or should not have been modified.

I do not believe FREEDOM of Speech gave Bill or Rush either one the right to be slanderous. That is not what was intended by the authors in my opinion. In those days it was common to kill a man for slandering you or yours.

I do not believe the authors intended for every over zealous citizen to carry a machine gun in his coat when they talked about the right to bear arms.

I do; however, believe that 200 years ago women were not meant to ever have the right to vote, but we allow that today.

I am just asking that we all be reasonable and be open to change when needed.

Originally Posted by The Villager II

What you say here is neither conservative nor liberal, just Christian. You support my point that the Old Testament was modified by the New Testament to better fit the times and the followers.

Now, I pray there is at least one Constitutionalist that will admit that we have modified the constitution for the good of all Americans and accept the fact that there will be more modifications. Again, my point on this forum is that several want to pick and choose what should or should not have been modified.

I do not believe FREEDOM of Speech gave Bill or Rush either one the right to be slanderous. That is not what was intended by the authors in my opinion. In those days it was common to kill a man for slandering you or yours.

I do not believe the authors intended for every over zealous citizen to carry a machine gun in his coat when they talked about the right to bear arms.

I do; however, believe that 200 years ago women were not meant to ever have the right to vote, but we allow that today.

I am just asking that we all be reasonable and be open to change when needed.

Just what parts of the Constitution would you like to take out?

Which amendment or what other amendment would you like to see added?

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

Just what parts of the Constitution would you like to take out?

Which amendment or what other amendment would you like to see added?

None that I can think of at all. I just ask that anything done in the way of amendment is done for the people and not a religious group or any specific group for that matter.

I personally do not believe most Americans measure by R or D or conservative or liberal. To do so is nothing more than convenience compartmentalizing those who need it to be seen that way.

It is very limiting and does not represent the needs of every day life in America.

It breeds the need for a win or a loss and the competitive bashing of the non favored compartment.

Very stifling to creativity and reality.

btk

Originally Posted by The Villager II

What you say here is neither conservative nor liberal, just Christian. You support my point that the Old Testament was modified by the New Testament to better fit the times and the followers.
Now, I pray there is at least one Constitutionalist that will admit that we have modified the constitution for the good of all Americans and accept the fact that there will be more modifications. Again, my point on this forum is that several want to pick and choose what should or should not have been modified.

I do not believe FREEDOM of Speech gave Bill or Rush either one the right to be slanderous. That is not what was intended by the authors in my opinion. In those days it was common to kill a man for slandering you or yours.

I do not believe the authors intended for every over zealous citizen to carry a machine gun in his coat when they talked about the right to bear arms.

I do; however, believe that 200 years ago women were not meant to ever have the right to vote, but we allow that today.

I am just asking that we all be reasonable and be open to change when needed.

Support you? ABSOLUTELY NOT...The Old Testament can not and never will be modified, nor did I imply that it was. As the WORD of GOD, it can never be changed or modified. Same goes for the New Testament. The New Testament was the FULLFILMENT of the Old Testament. The LAW of the Old Testament stands as the standard by which we will ALL be judged...The only way out, in order to stand perfect before our heavenly Father, is to be covered by the Blood of the Lamb, His Son, Jesus.

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

Support you? ABSOLUTELY NOT...The Old Testament can not and never will be modified, nor did I imply that it was. As the WORD of GOD, it can never be changed or modified. Same goes for the New Testament. The New Testament was the FULLFILMENT of the Old Testament. The LAW of the Old Testament stands as the standard by which we will ALL be judged...The only way out, in order to stand perfect before our heavenly Father, is to be covered by the Blood of the Lamb, His Son, Jesus.

So you think that those of us with a Jewish background never get to heaven. Really!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

So you think that those of us with a Jewish background never get to heaven. Really!!!!!!!!!

Unless I'm mistaken, Jews don't have a vision of heaven as Christians do. The Jewish religion focuses on life on earth and leaves the idea of an afterlife open, although they do believe life goes on in some capacity.

Anyway, I don't think it's good form to challenge another's religious beliefs and it is a Christian belief that the entrance to heaven is paved with the belief of Christ as your savior.

Stating your view of what the afterlife means to you would be a better way to go, and it might promote some great discussion.

Originally Posted by richielion

unless i'm mistaken, jews don't have a vision of heaven as christians do. The jewish religion focuses on life on earth and leaves the idea of an afterlife open, although they do believe life goes on in some capacity.

Anyway, i don't think it's good form to challenge another's religious beliefs and it is a christian belief that the entrance to heaven is paved with the belief of christ as your savior.

Stating your view of what the afterlife means to you would be a better way to go, and it might promote some great discussion.

omg

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

So you think that those of us with a Jewish background never get to heaven. Really!!!!!!!!!

I know that Christians and Jews both consider the "Old Testament" to be the Holy Book of their religion. I also know that Jews are God's Chosen People, the Apple of His Eye, a Great Nation...as such, I believe that we should pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Not really a good idea to go up against the Jewish people as far as I can tell.

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

Support you? ABSOLUTELY NOT...The Old Testament can not and never will be modified, nor did I imply that it was. As the WORD of GOD, it can never be changed or modified. Same goes for the New Testament. The New Testament was the FULLFILMENT of the Old Testament. The LAW of the Old Testament stands as the standard by which we will ALL be judged...The only way out, in order to stand perfect before our heavenly Father, is to be covered by the Blood of the Lamb, His Son, Jesus.

I never heard it said that way before. That does put us Christians more in line with the beliefs of Muslims than I had thought. I thought the old testament ways was dropped after Jesus came into the mix. I guess we are all doomed by god to have prejudices against others with different beliefs.

Sorry Figmo, If she is correct, your on your way to hell. Don't hate me because I am a Christian. Maybe we will have a new Jesus or Mohammad come by and change it up again and the Jews will be safe then. Sure is confusing. I will tell ya one thing for sure, If Christianity is the only way and billions of THEIR GOD fearing people are left to suffer for eternity in hell, then GOD is a more evil than the way I understand about Satin.

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

I know that Christians and Jews both consider the "Old Testament" to be the Holy Book of their religion. I also know that Jews are God's Chosen People, the Apple of His Eye, a Great Nation...as such, I believe that we should pray for the peace of Jerusalem. Not really a good idea to go up against the Jewish people as far as I can tell.

Now wait a minute, you can't have it both ways. Are Christians God's people or are the Jews. I want to be on the winning team. I must ask now if it is too late for me to become a JEW.

Originally Posted by The Villager II

Now wait a minute, you can't have it both ways. Are Christians God's people or are the Jews. I want to be on the winning team. I must ask now if it is too late for me to become a JEW.

VKII-You have claimed to be a Christian...what does your religion tell you?

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

VKII-You have claimed to be a Christian...what does your religion tell you?

I guess I have avoided the only thru Jesus, but that is what I was told all my life. I have been able to convince myself that no merciful God would condemn everyone else when they may actually be confused. I now believe that if you are good, you are OK rather you have blood poured on you or not.