Originally Posted by The Villager II

I guess I have avoided the only thru Jesus, but that is what I was told all my life. I have been able to convince myself that no merciful God would condemn everyone else when they may actually be confused. I now believe that if you are good, you are OK rather you have blood poured on you or not.

What is your opinion of what Jesus has to say on the subject?

We're all Jews up to the New Testament . Not sure after that

to get back to the original idea of changing the constitution....the founding fathers wisely made it possible but very difficult to update the constitution...that is why it has been done only 17 times after the original Bill of Rights...the problem is there is a judicial activism which misinterprets the TEXT of the document, conforming or rather deforming it to fit its liberal philosophies....we must adhere to the textual meaning of the constitution as it would have been interpreted at the time it was written...when we don't, that is where the problems begin!

Originally Posted by The Villager II

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Originally Posted by chachacha

to get back to the original idea of changing the constitution....the founding fathers wisely made it possible but very difficult to update the constitution...that is why it has been done only 17 times after the original Bill of Rights...the problem is there is a judicial activism which misinterprets the TEXT of the document, conforming or rather deforming it to fit its liberal philosophies....we must adhere to the textual meaning of the constitution as it would have been interpreted at the time it was written...when we don't, that is where the problems begin!

CCC, you hit the nail on the head with this post. The Federal Government took complete control of the states rights with the passage of the 17th Amendment. The Fed Reserver just finished driving the nail home.

As for the Old and New Testament, not one major religion follows the Word of G*d. As far as I am concerned all major religions are nothing more than Cults, one persons idea of what it takes to get into Heaven. Collect the money, have a good time and make empty promises to keep the cash flowing. What a racket.

Chachacha- right on!
Figmo Bohica-
Identity as a Christian, like the Jewish identity,is a body of believers. Not all those who show up at the church or synagog building, are true believers. Just like hanging out in the garage doesn't make you a car. But the Lord has is the
Good Sheperd...He knows His sheep and they know Him!
"Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world." James 1:27

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

Chachacha- right on!
Figmo Bohica-
Identity as a Christian, like the Jewish identity,is a body of believers. Not all those who show up at the church or synagog building, are true believers. Just like hanging out in the garage doesn't make you a car. But the Lord has is the
Good Sheperd...He knows His sheep and they know Him!
"Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world." James 1:27

Your confusing me again. What about taking Jesus as your personal savior or you will go to hell. The Jews believe he was a prophet not a son of god. It bothers me when you pick and chose when and on who you use your religion to condemn others. i.e. LIE So, be proud that you have driven me off the Political site and out of grace with GOD through your hateful non-undertanding of the feelings of others.

The more I read, the more I believe the whole god thing is a book full of lies. And if people like the 6 PAC leader with all his hate is such a Christian, I no longer want to be one. You hateful conservatives can have your fake gods and your ridiculous hero's like palin and sanitarium. I am logging out of political for good. You will find me only with the normal Americans on the other forums. When I speak the truth, the 6 PAC jump on me while using sarcasm and lies to pretend to be righteous and Holly. That kind of Christianity is for losers. You can have it and goodbye.

I would like to meet Buggy One some time. If your up for that, send me a PM.
Richie, I think you are a good person, just caught up in to many conspiracy theories. See some Monday night and we can discuss in person.

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

The Old Testament can not and never will be modified, nor did I imply that it was. As the WORD of GOD, it can never be changed or modified. Same goes for the New Testament. The New Testament was the FULLFILMENT of the Old Testament.

Actually, the New Testament HAS been edited - all the way back to the Council of Nicea where the heads of the religion got together to decide what did and didn't make it into the Bible as canon. There were several gospels that were rejected.

The subject matter of religion is indeed personal. Christians reference the Bible, Jews the Torah and Muslims the Koran. American Indians make reference to the great spirit and Tibetans Buddha and the Noble Pathways.
What I am trying to convey is that it is in man's nature to believe in something greater than themselves and this is good. For to do anything less is to be selfish and we have seen plenty of that sort of behavior lately. Because of man's humanness they will continue to pick and choose what of the relgious teachings they find suitable to their beliefs. What is of paramount importance is that good always triumph over evil.

As to the Constitution. A baseball batter will never step out of the batters box because he knows his batting averages go down.

I personally believe the framers did an extraordianry job of writing the Constitution, etc. This nations leaders have an avenue if things need to be changed via amendments. However, even then the process is long and challlenging thank God. Remember that old saw "watch what you wish, you just might get it."

Originally Posted by The Villager II

Your confusing me again. What about taking Jesus as your personal savior or you will go to hell. The Jews believe he was a prophet not a son of god. It bothers me when you pick and chose when and on who you use your religion to condemn others. i.e. LIE So, be proud that you have driven me off the Political site and out of grace with GOD through your hateful non-undertanding of the feelings of others.
The more I read, the more I believe the whole god thing is a book full of lies. And if people like the 6 PAC leader with all his hate is such a Christian, I no longer want to be one. You hateful conservatives can have your fake gods and your ridiculous hero's like palin and sanitarium. I am logging out of political for good. You will find me only with the normal Americans on the other forums. When I speak the truth, the 6 PAC jump on me while using sarcasm and lies to pretend to be righteous and Holly. That kind of Christianity is for losers. You can have it and goodbye.

I would like to meet Buggy One some time. If your up for that, send me a PM.
Richie, I think you are a good person, just caught up in to many conspiracy theories. See some Monday night and we can discuss in person.

Proud? I am deeply saddened that I cannot be honest with you without you taking offense. Driving you off the forum? Only you can make the choice to leave the forum. I too have taken my share of "hate" and "sarcasm" and had to do some real soul searching about whether to stay or not. What makes me truly sad, is that we have never met personally, that I have never gotten to know who you are away from this forum nor have you gotten to know me away from here. We might both be pleasantly surprised.
I have learned very few things in this life, and one that I know for sure is that people will think what they will of you, despite any and all evidence to the contrary. Similar to how how you describe the most patient and courageous poster on this forum-whom you refer to as the hateful "6 pac leader"....

The Founding Fathers who wrote the US Constitution allowed for amending the Constitution. Amendments have to pass the Congress my a super majority and pass a super majority of the State legislatures in a definded time period. That way anny changes would reflect the view and desire of We the Prople who made the Constitution. It was not to be left to justices of the SCOTUS.

Originally Posted by Bavarian

The Founding Fathers who wrote the US Constitution allowed for amending the Constitution. Amendments have to pass the Congress my a super majority and pass a super majority of the State legislatures in a definded time period. That way anny changes would reflect the view and desire of We the Prople who made the Constitution. It was not to be left to justices of the SCOTUS.

Well, things have changed, haven't they?

I really love all these uber-conservatives on this forum who think they are Constitutional Law professors. One of the duties of the Supreme Court is to interpret the Constitution when making decisions. The Constitution of the USA is a living and evolving document. If it were not to be interpreted, it would just be a piece of paper in the National Archives and would be worthless. It is a framework and a frame has to be built on.

I know there are uber-conservatives who do not believe this but they are 100% wrong. I suggest they take a constitutional law class and not from some reactionary but with some educational facility with a sight to the future.

buggy, well we will have to agree to disagree on this one. The Constitution says what it says and is NOT a living document. It can be amended if needed, but that does not change the facts of the basic document.

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

Support you? ABSOLUTELY NOT...The Old Testament can not and never will be modified, nor did I imply that it was. As the WORD of GOD, it can never be changed or modified. Same goes for the New Testament. The New Testament was the FULLFILMENT of the Old Testament. The LAW of the Old Testament stands as the standard by which we will ALL be judged...The only way out, in order to stand perfect before our heavenly Father, is to be covered by the Blood of the Lamb, His Son, Jesus.

Katz, What we refer to as The Old Testament, The Tanach, has been extensively modified by the Christian Church particularly the Protestant Churches. These modifications extend to the books included, the order of the books and the content. Even the ten commandments have been modified.

If you want to understand some of this, I suggest 'Understanding Judaism - The Basics of Creed and Deed' by Rabbi Benjamin Blech. This book compares and contrasts Jewish and Christian beliefs and the reasons behind them. It is also important to remember that the Tanach (Old Testament) is not a stand-alone document, but rather a part of the Talmud and can only be understood when taken in context.