The news reports that obama has a kill list for supposed terrorist. American citizens no trial nothing . How do you obama fans feel if this is true. Even New York Times is reporting on this. I dont know how anyone could or would vote for this guy. Impeachment and removal from office.

Sort of makes us no better than the terrorists.

And the righties keep crying.....weak on the war against terrorism.
He's trying to keep us safe.

How would you feel if you were on the list and a mistake was made . No proof no trial . POP

The same people (I'm sure Dale was one of them) who wailed about water-boarding suspected terrorists as "torture", and have demanded the prosecution of President Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney for "war crimes", are now OK, and even enthusiastic, with the current President sitting at his desk shuffling a deck of cards with names of suspected terrorists and deciding who will receive his wrath that day.

(maybe his supporters figure a raining fiery death from above isn't as abhorrent as a faux drowning)

Charles Krauthammer has a column in the Washington Post where he posits the question of a man elected President who went around the world decrying the ethics of the former President and claiming to have turned a "moral page", but who now has demonstrated to the world that he is judge, jury and executioner of unseen combatants in their country and whatever civilians might be around at the time, at his discretion.

I, like Mr. Krauthammer, really have no big problem with this treatment of enemy combatants hiding in civilian clothes surrounded by civilians complicit or not, but as Mr. Krauthammer says;

"it is to question the moral amnesia of those whose delicate sensibilities were offended by the Bush methods that kept America safe for a decade — and who now embrace Obama’s campaign of assassination by remote control."

We also will never be able to gather information from these fried terrorists.

Barack Obama: Drone Warrior - The Washington Post

Originally Posted by DDoug

How would you feel if you were on the list and a mistake was made . No proof no trial . POP

I would probably hide in the deepest, secret underground place,
where I could perfect my underwear, and surgically implanted bombs in peace.

I was confused at first when DDoug introduced the "hit list" because I thought he was referring to the "hit list" Obama and friends comprised for those Americans who have made contributions to Mitt Romney's campaign. Apparently Obama has a broad definition of terrorist which includes underwear bombers and american businessmen financially supporting Romney. For the underwear bombers he sends out drones armed with missiles and for Romney supporters he sends out drones armed with slander and innuuendo. God Bless his heart

Originally Posted by DDoug

The news reports that obama has a kill list for supposed terrorist. American citizens no trial nothing . How do you obama fans feel if this is true. Even New York Times is reporting on this. I dont know how anyone could or would vote for this guy. Impeachment and removal from office.

Is this not the same idea or very close as those decks of cards with enemy targets on them from the Iraq wars? Most-wanted Iraqi playing cards - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now, if you are talking about drone warfare, that's another issue. Obama?s Kill List?By Scott Horton (Harper's Magazine)

I do not like the idea of there being collateral damage in war but cannot see how when using bombs you can get around there being some kind. Just look at all the civilians killed in the Allied bombings of German cities in WWII. Strategic bombing during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you really believe that a President Romney would not be doing the same thing? Using drones to take out terrorists but also factoring in if there would be any collateral damage of civilians?? Hope he would not sent in troops in these kind of situations instead.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Is this not the same idea or very close as those decks of cards with enemy targets on them from the Iraq wars? Most-wanted Iraqi playing cards - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now, if you are talking about drone warfare, that's another issue. Obama?s Kill List?By Scott Horton (Harper's Magazine)

I do not like the idea of there being collateral damage in war but cannot see how when using bombs you can get around there being some kind. Just look at all the civilians killed in the Allied bombings of German cities in WWII. Strategic bombing during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you really believe that a President Romney would not be doing the same thing? Using drones to take out terrorists but also factoring in if there would be any collateral damage of civilians?? Hope he would not sent in troops in these kind of situations instead.

Do you have any story of George W. Bush using such a deck of cards, or are you equating Barack H. Obama's use of "terrorist cards" with a neighbor who had one for a "goof"?

You didn't address the "moral question" of Obama's "raining death from above" to the Bush Administration's small use of waterboarding which was condemned to the heavens by the liberal Democrats.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Do you have any story of George W. Bush using such a deck of cards, or are you equating Barack H. Obama's use of "terrorist cards" with a neighbor who had one for a "goof"?

You didn't address the "moral question" of Obama's "raining death from above" to the Bush Administration's small use of waterboarding which was condemned to the heavens by the liberal Democrats.

I see. And you argue that Bush and other US Presidents have not bombed various military targets too in earlier wars and had to take into account collateral damage??

You Republicans are sounding very hypocritical. Waterboarding is also quite different an issue than bombing of civilians when they are intermixed with military targets.

How can any Administration control collateral damage in war?

It does look like an ugly issue-- OpEdNews - Article: Obama and Drone Warfare: Will Americans Speak Out?

Originally Posted by DDoug

How would you feel if you were on the list and a mistake was made . No proof no trial . POP

Stuff happens.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I see. And you argue that Bush and other US Presidents have not bombed various military targets too in earlier wars and had to take into account collateral damage??

You Republicans are sounding very hypocritical. Waterboarding is also quite different an issue than bombing of civilians when they are intermixed with military targets.

How can any Administration control collateral damage in war?

It does look like an ugly issue-- OpEdNews - Article: Obama and Drone Warfare: Will Americans Speak Out?

We're not at war with the countries we are targeting people, in all cases.

It makes a bit of a difference in your defense of Obama's assassination drones.

Now, I already said I don't really have a problem with the air strikes of combatants in the sovereign nations we're not a war with.

I'm only pointing out the moral amnesia of the leftists like you who wailed about the "torture" of the same sort of people you're thrilled to have killed in a fiery reign of terror from pilotless drone assassination machines.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

We're not at war with the countries we are targeting people, in all cases.

It makes a bit of a difference in your defense of Obama's assassination drones.

Now, I already said I don't really have a problem with the air strikes of combatants in the sovereign nations we're not a war with.

I'm only pointing out the moral amnesia of the leftists like you who wailed about the "torture" of the same sort of people you're thrilled to have killed in a fiery reign of terror from pilotless drone assassination machines.

Personally, I have no problem either with the air strikes on specific terrorists. I had no problem with waterboarding or other types of interrogation that was not crippling either on suspected terrorists. The sleep deprivation, noise machines, or scaring with dogs was okay and it got some good information.

I don't quite agree with the fact RichieLion says that I am thrilled to have people killed. It is a war, people get killed, I am not thrilled by it but it happens. His wording of "fiery reign of terror" is over the top but that is his way of speaking. No problem.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

...I, like Mr. Krauthammer, really have no big problem with this treatment of enemy combatants hiding in civilian clothes surrounded by civilians complicit or not...

I'm with you 100%, Richie. My only qualification is that the choice and timing of targets should be further down the org chart than the Oval Office. If the cost of Obama fingering those who will experience the "fiery rain of terror" is that he has to turn in his Nobel Peace Prize, I'll pay the postage.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

I'm with you 100%, Richie. My only qualification is that the choice and timing of targets should be further down the org chart than the Oval Office. If the cost of Obama fingering those who will experience the "fiery rain of terror" is that he has to turn in his Nobel Peace Prize, I'll pay the postage.

If the Nobel Committee had any real significance left with it's awarding of so called "Peace Prizes", I would think they'd be reevaluating their premature awarding of this prize to Obama in any case.

But since it's all about politics anyway, it's irrelevant.