What I am talking about is that you seem to think that it is Okay that we have collateral damage or kills NOW that is your guy doing it.

I stand firm on my belief that is it part of war weather or not it is my guy in there or someone I wish was not in there. It is my belief, not a convenient political belief.

Have I misread your post? If so I am sorry.

Originally Posted by notlongnow

What I am talking about is that you seem to think that it is Okay that we have collateral damage or kills NOW that is your guy doing it.

I stand firm on my belief that is it part of war weather or not it is my guy in there or someone I wish was not in there. It is my belief, not a convenient political belief.

Have I misread your post? If so I am sorry.

I never said it was OK. It happens though and if you are fighting a war innocent civilians are murdered. And, I have always thought that Bush's war in Afghanistan was necessary to take down the group behind 9/11. Saddam Hussein was not behind 9/11.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

The use of torture is a different issue than the use of drones. It also looks like torture as a method for getting information was not effective and badly damaged our reputation. Did Waterboarding Prevent Terrorism Attacks? - TIME

If we "torture" (waterboarding=make believe drowning) suspected terrorists, that is bad for our nation's reputation.

If we rain down fiery death from above, acting as judge, jury and executioner; killing anyone near our target as a consequence, that is not bad for our nation's reputation.

OK, got it.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

If we "torture" (waterboarding=make believe drowning) suspected terrorists, that is bad for our nation's reputation.

If we rain down fiery death from above, acting as judge, jury and executioner; killing anyone near our target as a consequence, that is not bad for our nation's reputation.

OK, got it.

Maybe, we should go back to CIA agents with poisoned umbrellas? But, how would this CIA agent even get close enough to a terrorist cell which probably only allows close family members into its group?

How would you suggest taking down these suspected terrorists, RichieLion?

Originally Posted by rubicon

Don'tkid yourself, drone attacks allow Obama to continue with his agenda of leading from behind and to continue his plan to reduce our defense making us very vulnerable in the near future. he continues to demonstrate that he is weak, lacking strategy and commitment.

I'd only ask this question...if the much cheaper drones are more effective militarily than the hugely expensive fleet of nuclear submarines or if special forces are more effective than large land armies, what's wrong with reducing further spending on those types of military assets?

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Apples and oranges arguments. Hard to respond to a such things.

Comparing targeted aerial assassinations in sovereign countries to times this nation was at war is an interesting but flawed thought process.

It's too cruel to waterboard as suspect who won't talk; lets incinerate him instead. Liberals have sure changed in a few short years.

How do you count the tens of thousands of Iraquis killed by bomb attacks, continuing to this day. They all began after the U.S. invaded Iraq and continue to this day. Are they "collateral damage"? I'd argue that they are.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Maybe, we should go back to CIA agents with poisoned umbrellas? But, how would this CIA agent even get close enough to a terrorist cell which probably only allows close family members into its group?

How would you suggest taking down these suspected terrorists, RichieLion?

Poisoned umbrellas?; watching some James Bond movies are we?

I've already said I don't have a problem with killing enemies everywhere we can. It was always the pinko liberals who cried about war and death and protested in the roads leading to President Bush's family ranch in Texas to lament the death and destruction, and calling him and his supporters war hawks.

I'm just having a good time illustrating how the fake drowning of a terrorist suspect to elicit information, which is called waterboarding, is more egregious in the mind of a Democrat leftist than a sudden and fiery death from above.

I guarantee you, the suspected terrorist would agree with me; that his fiery death is worse.