[graciegirl]

Tasty diet cuts heart disease, study finds - Vitals

This was published in the New England Journal of Medicine so I trust this study and the results.

Sure has me rethinking to improve.

[2BNTV]

This is a very healthy way to eat. I believe in eating a low fat diet as it also is good to prevent macular degeneration that runs in my family.

Alomonds are a good snack.

[Bettiboop]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Tasty diet cuts heart disease, study finds - Vitals

This was published in the New England Journal of Medicine so I trust this study and the results.

Sure has me rethinking to improve.

Thanks for the link, Gracie. I heard them talking about it on The View this morning and made myself a note to research it when I took a break from work. I think it would be fairly easy to follow. We eat fish, olive oil, nuts, etc. on a regular basis anyway, so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for us.

Now if we could just cut out the junk food snacks.....

[jimbo2012]

Want more information of the health benefits of olive oil and the Mediterranean Diet?

Check out the video below by Jeff Novick. about 8 min.

Olive Oil is NOT Health Food but Sick Food - YouTube

Ounce for ounce, olive oil is one of the most fattening, calorically dense foods on the planet. The bottom line is that oil will add fat to our already plump waistlines, heightening the risk of disease, including diabetes and heart attacks, says Dr. Joel Fuhrman.

Dr. Esselstyn agrees, stating that between 14 and 17% of olive oil is saturated, artery-clogging fat, every bit as aggressive in promoting heart disease as the saturated fat in roast beef.

“They (oils) contain saturated fat which immediately injures the endothelial lining of the arteries when eaten. It doesn’t matter whether it’s olive oil, corn oil, or any other kind of oil”, he says.


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[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Tasty diet cuts heart disease, study finds - Vitals

This was published in the New England Journal of Medicine so I trust this study and the results.

Sure has me rethinking to improve.

For those who are eating the standard American diet, the Mediterranean diet may represent an improvement. In that regard, I'd say it has some value. However, I do see one possible shortcoming. All the participants in the study received counseling. But what about those who now see it advertised on television or read about it? They won't get counseling and I guess I don't have a whole lot of confidence in the average person getting it right.

[Uptown Girl]

One thing to consider is that as a general rule, most people in Italy, Spain, Greece, places like that eat much smaller portions at their meals than what we are accustomed to. So much so, that many Americans would think it was a joke. In addition, traditionally their food is fresh and regional, often picked or caught within hours of eating.

There are many factors in the Mediterranean 'diet' (to use it as an example) that are not factored in when the diet is plucked from the total lifestyle, environment and indigenous genetics of the people, then analyzed as if it were the only factor to health or longevity. The holistic view is lost, in my opinion.

My family originated in Spain. Food in our home was celebrated, appreciated and respected for the gift that it was. We ate all the things (like imported Olive oil) that some feel are so scary today.
My family for the greater part was, and is, trim, athletic, brainey, talented, healthy and long lived. Most who have died, died in their sleep at 90+ years of age, healthy, sharp and alert until the end. Why?

Could it BE genetics? An attitude of gratitude? Positive thinking? Fool's luck?
Special Dispensation? Foods more pure then than they are now? Tomatoes with more inherent nutrients then, than tomatoes of today?

How are we to know beyond a shadow of a doubt? We can only try our best to collect data. Doesn't mean it's the whole picture. That's my point.

Those who want to eat right, do the best they can. Those inclined to want better health than they now have, investigate then discern for themselves the best way to make it happen. MOST of us are now college educated in this country. We know how to read and research, if we want to do so.
Are there those who don't care? You betcha.

Bashing someone over the head with what they are doing wrong, or sensationalizing, challenging or discounting others as a means to occupy one's time, tells me more about the person delivering the message than the message they are delivering.

[2BNTV]

Originally Posted by Uptown Girl

One thing to consider is that as a general rule, most people in Italy, Spain, Greece, places like that eat much smaller portions at their meals than what we are accustomed to. So much so, that many Americans would think it was a joke. In addition, traditionally their food is fresh and regional, often picked or caught within hours of eating.

There are many factors in the Mediterranean 'diet' (to use it as an example) that are not factored in when the diet is plucked from the total lifestyle, environment and indigenous genetics of the people, then analyzed as if it were the only factor to health or longevity. The holistic view is lost, in my opinion.

My family originated in Spain. Food in our home was celebrated, appreciated and respected for the gift that it was. We ate all the things (like imported Olive oil) that some feel are so scary today.
My family for the greater part was, and is, trim, athletic, brainey, talented, healthy and long lived. Most who have died, died in their sleep at 90+ years of age, healthy, sharp and alert until the end. Why?

Could it BE genetics? An attitude of gratitude? Positive thinking? Fool's luck?
Special Dispensation? Foods more pure then than they are now? Tomatoes with more inherent nutrients then, than tomatoes of today?

How are we to know beyond a shadow of a doubt? We can only try our best to collect data. Doesn't mean it's the whole picture. That's my point.

Those who want to eat right, do the best they can. Those inclined to want better health than they now have, investigate then discern for themselves the best way to make it happen. MOST of us are now college educated in this country. We know how to read and research, if we want to do so.
Are there those who don't care? You betcha.

Bashing someone over the head with what they are doing wrong, or sensationalizing, challenging or discounting others as a means to occupy one's time, tells me more about the person delivering the message than the message they are delivering.

I agree 100%.

Remember the old saying:

"People don't care about how much you know until they know how much you care".

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Uptown Girl

One thing to consider is that as a general rule, most people in Italy, Spain, Greece, places like that eat much smaller portions at their meals than what we are accustomed to. So much so, that many Americans would think it was a joke. In addition, traditionally their food is fresh and regional, often picked or caught within hours of eating.

There are many factors in the Mediterranean 'diet' (to use it as an example) that are not factored in when the diet is plucked from the total lifestyle, environment and indigenous genetics of the people, then analyzed as if it were the only factor to health or longevity. The holistic view is lost, in my opinion.

My family originated in Spain. Food in our home was celebrated, appreciated and respected for the gift that it was. We ate all the things (like imported Olive oil) that some feel are so scary today.
My family for the greater part was, and is, trim, athletic, brainey, talented, healthy and long lived. Most who have died, died in their sleep at 90+ years of age, healthy, sharp and alert until the end. Why?

Could it BE genetics? An attitude of gratitude? Positive thinking? Fool's luck?
Special Dispensation? Foods more pure then than they are now? Tomatoes with more inherent nutrients then, than tomatoes of today?

How are we to know beyond a shadow of a doubt? We can only try our best to collect data. Doesn't mean it's the whole picture. That's my point.

Those who want to eat right, do the best they can. Those inclined to want better health than they now have, investigate then discern for themselves the best way to make it happen. MOST of us are now college educated in this country. We know how to read and research, if we want to do so.
Are there those who don't care? You betcha.

Bashing someone over the head with what they are doing wrong, or sensationalizing, challenging or discounting others as a means to occupy one's time, tells me more about the person delivering the message than the message they are delivering.

It may also be that many choose to occupy their time by bashing the "bashers". How is it any different?

To a large extent the problem you were trying to pinpoint is cultural. The only way that will change is to change the culture. Speak up against eating garbage and it will become less socially acceptable, the same way that smoking has become socially unacceptable.

[Uptown Girl]

[QUOTE=Villages PL;632653
To a large extent the problem you were trying to pinpoint is cultural. The only way that will change is to change the culture. [/QUOTE]


I have been trying to type a response, but all i can....


...... huh?

[jimbo2012]

This NY Times 2/25 article cites the following

" Not everyone is convinced, though. Dr. Caldwell Blakeman Esselstyn Jr., the author of the best seller “Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease: The Revolutionary, Scientifically Proven, Nutrition-Based Cure,” who promotes a vegan diet and does not allow olive oil, dismissed the study.

His views and those of another promoter of a very-low-fat diet, Dr. Dean Ornish, president of the nonprofit Preventive Medicine Research Institute, have influenced many to try to become vegan. Former President Bill Clinton, interviewed on CNN, said Dr. Esselstyn’s and Dr. Ornish’s writings helped convince him that he could reverse his heart disease in that way.

Dr. Esselstyn said those in the Mediterranean diet study still had heart attacks and strokes. So, he said, all the study showed was that “the Mediterranean diet and the horrible control diet were able to create disease in people who otherwise did not have it.”

There two Dr's are perhaps the most noteworthy on preventing heart attacks within our culture.

Full Article

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Tasty diet cuts heart disease, study finds - Vitals

This was published in the New England Journal of Medicine so I trust this study and the results.

Sure has me rethinking to improve.

I'm still pondering the implications. I don't have TV but I do listen to the news on the radio. Last night I heard a news report on the Mediterranean diet and the newscaster said, "those on the Mediterranean diet cut their risk of heart attacks and strokes by 30 percent." People listening to this report would think that it applies to the average person, but it doesn't.

They're not taking the time to mention that all 7,400 patients were at high risk of heart disease. These high risk people were purposely selected for the study. People at high risk generally have the worst dietary habits. So if you give them instructions, as they did, on what to eat and what not to eat, of course you would expect some good results.

In other words, if you start with people who couldn't possibly be doing any worse, you are likely to get a decent result. It's not so surprising.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by Uptown Girl

One thing to consider is that as a general rule, most people in Italy, Spain, Greece, places like that eat much smaller portions at their meals than what we are accustomed to. So much so, that many Americans would think it was a joke. In addition, traditionally their food is fresh and regional, often picked or caught within hours of eating.

There are many factors in the Mediterranean 'diet' (to use it as an example) that are not factored in when the diet is plucked from the total lifestyle, environment and indigenous genetics of the people, then analyzed as if it were the only factor to health or longevity. The holistic view is lost, in my opinion.

My family originated in Spain. Food in our home was celebrated, appreciated and respected for the gift that it was. We ate all the things (like imported Olive oil) that some feel are so scary today.
My family for the greater part was, and is, trim, athletic, brainey, talented, healthy and long lived. Most who have died, died in their sleep at 90+ years of age, healthy, sharp and alert until the end. Why?

Could it BE genetics? An attitude of gratitude? Positive thinking? Fool's luck?
Special Dispensation? Foods more pure then than they are now? Tomatoes with more inherent nutrients then, than tomatoes of today?

How are we to know beyond a shadow of a doubt? We can only try our best to collect data. Doesn't mean it's the whole picture. That's my point.

Those who want to eat right, do the best they can. Those inclined to want better health than they now have, investigate then discern for themselves the best way to make it happen. MOST of us are now college educated in this country. We know how to read and research, if we want to do so.
Are there those who don't care? You betcha.

Bashing someone over the head with what they are doing wrong, or sensationalizing, challenging or discounting others as a means to occupy one's time, tells me more about the person delivering the message than the message they are delivering.

Spain, Italy or Greece...........in the old days, meals were shared and savored with family and friends..........they continued these traditions in their chosen new homes in America.........
Chewing on the Heel: The Mediterranean Diet in Southern Italy | Italy Travel Guide
Chewing on the Heel.

“The limitations of the meals inspired by poverty.........”

“Olive oil is the passenger train that transports vitamins from the food to your body.......”

“The Mediterranean diet includes a daily allotment of red wine..........”

I never ever remember my dad eating chips or dip or any such snack food. After dinner, he'd slowly cut up a fresh pear....or an orange. He did eat nuts as well. His entire family ate fruit, drank wine and ate what to me, a child, were HUGE FEASTS, that took a very long time.....they were not "into fast foods at all"........but when I think back.......it was lots of vegetables, plenty of fresh seafood........can't recall any big beef roasts or pork roasts......but the meat was there in the lasagna, the meatballs, sausage, etc. in small increments...........more for "flavor"......and they never ate butter on their delicious fresh breads.

Cheese, yes. Lots of melon such as cantalupe. Figs.

Grew their own tomatoes, basil, mint, etc.........GRAPES.....

Dates. Natural foods.........not processed or prepackaged.

Basically, it's what they "did not eat" that gave them the longevity........many well into their 90's.

[senior citizen]

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[Cantwaittoarrive]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

This NY Times 2/25 article cites the following

" Not everyone is convinced, though. Dr. Caldwell Blakeman Esselstyn Jr., the author of the best seller “Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease: The Revolutionary, Scientifically Proven, Nutrition-Based Cure,” who promotes a vegan diet and does not allow olive oil, dismissed the study.

His views and those of another promoter of a very-low-fat diet, Dr. Dean Ornish, president of the nonprofit Preventive Medicine Research Institute, have influenced many to try to become vegan. Former President Bill Clinton, interviewed on CNN, said Dr. Esselstyn’s and Dr. Ornish’s writings helped convince him that he could reverse his heart disease in that way.

Dr. Esselstyn said those in the Mediterranean diet study still had heart attacks and strokes. So, he said, all the study showed was that “the Mediterranean diet and the horrible control diet were able to create disease in people who otherwise did not have it.”

There two Dr's are perhaps the most noteworthy on preventing heart attacks within our culture.

Full Article

OK so I guess the implication is that since people still had heart attacks and strokes we should ignor the results? If so I guess we should also ignore any vegan diets results since people on a vegan diet also have heart attacks and strokes. I guess all we really know is life is a fatal condition

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by Cantwaittoarrive

I guess we should also ignore any vegan diets results since people on a vegan diet also have heart attacks and strokes.

Really R U sure about that?

Can U cite any study that supports that theory?

A vegan, call it what it really is a "plant based diet", greatly diminishes the plaque build up in the blood vessels, it can in FACT reverse heart disease.

Eat what U want your longevity and leading an active retired life will vary in length and enjoyment, but that's just my opinion, along with millions of plant based diet followers.