[billethkid]

A significant feat in and of itself. In addition to the soft landing it also deployed a land rover that will travel the moon for 3 months. Another significant feat all by itself.

The accomplishments further underline China's commitment to advancing technology.

As we can all REMEMBER there was very much technology transfered from the conquests in space to industry and we the people.

The rest of the world will have recieved China's message on capability in space.
This accomplishment should/could be looked at as another form of the Sputnik accomplishment of the past.

The USA could once again wind up or already is behind.

We the people need to encourage our representatives to have another JFK moment to lay out the future of our space program, for our future generations. The return on investment is substantial for private, corporate and essential for military capability.

Nothing political intended. The above is offered in the same spirit as discussing whether golf cart a bridge should be put over a highway.
Nothing more.

btk

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by billethkid

A significant feat in and of itself. In addition to the soft landing it also deployed a land rover that will travel the moon for 3 months. Another significant feat all by itself.

The accomplishments further underline China's commitment to advancing technology.

As we can all REMEMBER there was very much technology transfered from the conquests in space to industry and we the people.

The rest of the world will have recieved China's message on capability in space.
This accomplishment should/could be looked at as another form of the Sputnik accomplishment of the past.

The USA could once again wind up or already is behind.

We the people need to encourage our representatives to have another JFK moment to lay out the future of our space program, for our future generations. The return on investment is substantial for private, corporate and essential for military capability.

Nothing political intended. The above is offered in the same spirit as discussing whether golf cart a bridge should be put over a highway.
Nothing more.

btk

The question is WHO will lead his space program ?

The newest studies show that the USA has dropped to 24th in science...31st in math....and 21st in reading. This is based on the Program of International Study
Assessment which tests 15 year old every three years. China is one of the leaders.

They determined our young folks have not gotten worse, but others have surged ahead.

U.S. scores stagnant on global test; other nations surge ahead - News - The Suburbanite - Akron, OH


This country sort of has messed up priorities, and seem to be blind to our regression.

Valid points BTK, but we need to understand reality.

[Patty55]

Yeah, I'll be shocked if they find their way back.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Patty55

Yeah, I'll be shocked if they find their way back.

OH Patty.


I was gonna be all sad to be lapped by another country in science.


And you made me smile.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by billethkid

A significant feat in and of itself. In addition to the soft landing it also deployed a land rover that will travel the moon for 3 months. Another significant feat all by itself.

The accomplishments further underline China's commitment to advancing technology.

As we can all REMEMBER there was very much technology transfered from the conquests in space to industry and we the people.

The rest of the world will have recieved China's message on capability in space.
This accomplishment should/could be looked at as another form of the Sputnik accomplishment of the past.

The USA could once again wind up or already is behind.

We the people need to encourage our representatives to have another JFK moment to lay out the future of our space program, for our future generations. The return on investment is substantial for private, corporate and essential for military capability.

Nothing political intended. The above is offered in the same spirit as discussing whether golf cart a bridge should be put over a highway.
Nothing more.

btk

I agree----we are falling behind in technology and space because we refuse to fund our space program. Thousands of space engineers have been layed off and NASA is just a "shell" of itself.

The one really good program where there was leading edge technology----we don't properly fund. I'm not blaming anyone person or any one political party. Perhaps China's achievements will be a wake up call.

[donb9006]

Originally Posted by billethkid

A significant feat in and of itself. In addition to the soft landing it also deployed a land rover that will travel the moon for 3 months. Another significant feat all by itself.

The accomplishments further underline China's commitment to advancing technology.

As we can all REMEMBER there was very much technology transfered from the conquests in space to industry and we the people.

The rest of the world will have recieved China's message on capability in space.
This accomplishment should/could be looked at as another form of the Sputnik accomplishment of the past.

The USA could once again wind up or already is behind.

We the people need to encourage our representatives to have another JFK moment to lay out the future of our space program, for our future generations. The return on investment is substantial for private, corporate and essential for military capability.

Nothing political intended. The above is offered in the same spirit as discussing whether golf cart a bridge should be put over a highway.
Nothing more.

btk

So...if I do something 45 years after someone else...I'm nipping at their heels? Do something NEW if you want to impress me.

Are you suggesting another costly endeavor by our country? We're already going over a trillion in the hole every year. Where is the money to come from? There are so many great ideas...that unfortunately...cost money.

Originally Posted by Bucco

The question is WHO will lead his space program ?

The newest studies show that the USA has dropped to 24th in science...31st in math....and 21st in reading. This is based on the Program of International Study
Assessment which tests 15 year old every three years. China is one of the leaders.

They determined our young folks have not gotten worse, but others have surged ahead.

U.S. scores stagnant on global test; other nations surge ahead - News - The Suburbanite - Akron, OH


This country sort of has messed up priorities, and seem to be blind to our regression.

Valid points BTK, but we need to understand reality.

Take the minorities out of the statistics and we're still at/near the top. Run your numbers with white middle class and above...and the numbers are strikingly different. I hate to always have to come back to racial differences...but they are there and they do have an effect. Our rankings go down as the percent of minorities goes up. It's a fact. Delete this if you must, but it doesn't change the facts. Ignoring a problem does not make it go away. Instead of "no child left behind" that lowered standards so pretty much anyone can get a HS diploma, making them worthless...the new motto should be "study like an Asian!" to get everyone to strive to do their best. Kids will and SHOULD fail to get a HS diploma unless they can show proficiency. "Try harder and maybe you'll make it" should be our other motto.

[karostay]

I understand they have proclaimed a no fly zone

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by Bucco

The question is WHO will lead his space program ?

The newest studies show that the USA has dropped to 24th in science...31st in math....and 21st in reading. This is based on the Program of International Study
Assessment which tests 15 year old every three years. China is one of the leaders.

They determined our young folks have not gotten worse, but others have surged ahead.

U.S. scores stagnant on global test; other nations surge ahead - News - The Suburbanite - Akron, OH

This country sort of has messed up priorities, and seem to be blind to our regression.

Valid points BTK, but we need to understand reality.

One has to wonder how intellectual and bright the Chinese people truly are since China has stolen so much in technology and brilliant, innovative ideas from the United States of America. They are constantly trying to suck off anything they can from this country. I wonder how they ever thought of developing a rover to study this surface?

I also agree our country needs to shut off the video games and TV's and inspire the latest generations to educate themselves and develop ambition.
We're really getting closer to the idiom of "Nero fiddled while Rome burned".

[BarryRX]

Do not fear. They have not yet accomplished what we did 49 years ago. There is no doubt that this is a remarkable success for China and that they have come a very long way in the last 25 years, but remember they had the benefit of not having to invent new technology to do this. But good old American know how got it done with 1960's technology.

[Peachie]

Originally Posted by karostay

I understand they have proclaimed a no fly zone

[justjim]

U.S. has more than enough of very bright intelligent young and middle age people. That is not the problem. Developing priorities is the problem and politics is the problem. End of story.

[billethkid]

money for space research/endeavors/technology developement/etc is not an issue.

If the priority was established there is no shortage of funds in the existing spending spree.

Including new employment and an incentive for future generations careers the dividends/benefits of space investment are incalculable.

Just look at the statistics in Buccos posted link......we have fallen behind the rest of the world and there is nothing to suggest anything other than staying there or worse on the horizon.

Once a country loses it's manufacturing and technology base it soon falls from leading to following to getting out of the way.......with some 3rd world countries showing a better standing than ours we have obviously taken to getting out of the way.

Nothing will change without prority and leadership......NOTHING.....just following or standing aside. Very sad testimonyto a nation's heritage.

btk

[wendyquat]

With all the recent headlines I fear their aiming their rockets in our direction more than what they are doing on the moon!

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by donb9006

So...if I do something 45 years after someone else...I'm nipping at their heels? Do something NEW if you want to impress me.

Are you suggesting another costly endeavor by our country? We're already going over a trillion in the hole every year. Where is the money to come from? There are so many great ideas...that unfortunately...cost money.



Take the minorities out of the statistics and we're still at/near the top. Run your numbers with white middle class and above...and the numbers are strikingly different. I hate to always have to come back to racial differences...but they are there and they do have an effect. Our rankings go down as the percent of minorities goes up. It's a fact. Delete this if you must, but it doesn't change the facts. Ignoring a problem does not make it go away. Instead of "no child left behind" that lowered standards so pretty much anyone can get a HS diploma, making them worthless...the new motto should be "study like an Asian!" to get everyone to strive to do their best. Kids will and SHOULD fail to get a HS diploma unless they can show proficiency. "Try harder and maybe you'll make it" should be our other motto.

First of all, China is now only one of three who have landed on the moon softly, and the first to do so in THIRTY YEARS. I find it VERY significant.....first in orbit just 10 years ago, AND concern has been expressed as to how the Chinese examination will interfere with our own ongoing investigation on the surface.

I do, however, agree that this country who cannot afford what we are up to now, are going to have to sit by......we have channeled our money to other things we feel are important.

On your education remarks, there is a lot of truth in what you say....to validate some of it, I offer an article from the LA Times that says pretty much what you did...

"If there is a lesson to be gleaned from PISA, it's that moving toward a more educated nation will require helping families give their children the resources and background they need to do better in school, as well as continuing reform efforts to improve instruction and curriculum. It requires committed action over time, not warring and self-serving pronouncements.

Are America's students falling behind the world? - latimes.com


My opinion, and it is shared by many in the profession is our tolerance level is so much higher than others....we live in a "you get a trophy if you show up" society.....we do not INSIST on family involvement, and the rewards for hard work in school are not recognized.

LEST YOU THINK it is reserved for children....I ask you to consider this from the NY Times...

"A particularly alarming report on working-age adults was published earlier this month by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a coalition of mainly developed nations. The research focused on people ages 16 to 65 in 24 countries. It dealt with three crucial areas: literacy — the ability to understand and respond to written material; numeracy — the ability to use numerical and mathematical concepts; and problem solving — the ability to interpret and analyze information using computers. "

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/23/op...ng-behind.html

It is scary how "lazy" our country has become. We follow slogans, not ideals...we follow sound bites instead of principles.

This freedom and stuff does not come cheap or easy !!!

[2BNTV]

Are they buying real estate?